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raw_material
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 12:53 PM)
I don't even worship Buddha or talk to him that much. I am not a very religious person. Even if I believe in God and Jesus, and I talk to the universal being. Does that mean I still go to Hell because I don't worship him or read the Bible?


the real question here is .....when u die...do u kno u are going 2 heaven or hell? and why
sikdragon
it all depends on how you lived your life. only God can judge you. and yes if you lived a sinful life and was not openly remorseful you would go to hell. the reason to be good is not fear of hell but your love of God.
xnastyninjagrlx
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 12:50 PM)
I don't think you get it. If I lied and said that I completely and fully believed in Jesus and God, that's like asking to get sent to Hell. Or maybe you did get that, I just wanted to make sure that would be acknowledged.

YAh your right. God doesn't want you to believe in Him for the sake of believing. I do believe that God has a purpose for you and in sometime of your life, you will see God's gift and what he has in store of you.
xnastyninjagrlx
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 12:53 PM)
I don't even worship Buddha or talk to him that much. I am not a very religious person. Even if I believe in God and Jesus, and I talk to the universal being. Does that mean I still go to Hell because I don't worship him or read the Bible?

I know it's hard to believe..but yes..you can't just worship any God. That is his very first commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me" As Christians we believe our religion is the right one. I am not trying to sound arrogant, but that is what we believe to be true. So, if you can't say you acknowledge The God, Jesus Christ as Lord then I believe you will go to Hell.
raw_material
QUOTE(xnastyninjagrlx @ Aug 18 2004, 12:57 PM)
YAh your right. God doesn't want you to believe in Him for the sake of believing. I do believe that God has a purpose for you and in sometime of your life, you will see God's gift and what he has in store of you.



you are totally right...god might now want u now...but we can tell god has a future 4 u...thats him working on u right now...and u dont even realize it...god has a future 4 him...just dont give up and pray cool.gif
sikdragon
we were talking about people who hadnt known them by their names.
sporadic
Don't all religions believe their religion to be the right one?
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 1:05 PM)
Don't all religions believe their religion to be the right one?


not all the religions have the 10 commandments.....one of the commandments says...2 not worship other gods and other idols...there is only one god
many religions have many gods...there is only one god
or wat evotion made the 10 commandments? the stones decided 2 write on themselves?
sikdragon
every other religion's doctrine if it has one, contradicts itself at one time or another. I myself have researched other religions and have found this one to be the truest.
raw_material
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 1:12 PM)
every other religion's doctrine if it has one, contradicts itself at one time or another. I myself have researched other religions and have found this one to be the truest.



why is the truest....bcuz the bible has proven events that where written back in the days and have come true....and there are many more 2 come...but god is with us happy.gif
Spirited Away
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"The belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it seems to me the deepest root of all evil that is in the world." - Max Born
sporadic
QUOTE(raw_material @ Aug 18 2004, 1:09 PM)
not all the religions have the 10 commandments.....one of the commandments says...2 not worship other gods and other idols...there is only one god
many religions have many gods...there is only one god
or wat evotion made the 10 commandments? the stones decided 2 write on themselves?

Okay, what the hell?
We've been through this before. I'm not even going to bother explaining it.
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 1:17 PM)
Okay, what the hell?
We've been through this before. I'm not even going to bother explaining it.



i kno my bad i4got we went thru that already...anyways like i asked u b4....do u still pray or did u stop or wat happend?
sporadic
What I did isn't what I would call praying. I was completely selfish.
sikdragon
if ur sorry he forgives you.
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 1:22 PM)
What I did isn't what I would call praying. I was completely selfish.


oh i see i get u about the hole selfish thing uve been saying this hole time and i was likehuh?
um anyways why dont u start fresh? one small prayer at night wont kill u...it wont b selfish if u just say hey god um bless my day or something..its cool he will lisen2 u cool.gif by the way cool signature
sporadic
Thanks.

Yeah, sometime last year I had a sort of realization of how selfish and conceited and awful I'd been for awhile. So that was a big part in my life, and I feel much better now that I've realized how I was before. I regret that whole period, but I'm going to make up for it in time.

I'm not speaking religiously, necessarily.
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 1:29 PM)
Thanks.

Yeah, sometime last year I had a sort of realization of how selfish and conceited and awful I'd been for awhile. So that was a big part in my life, and I feel much better now that I've realized how I was before. I regret that whole period, but I'm going to make up for it in time.

I'm not speaking religiously, necessarily.



yea i get u no biggie....well wat happend in the past stays in the past....thats why when u believe in jesus as ur savior...its called borned again...bcuz u did all that stuff withouth the holy spirit in u....even when u believe in god..ur still gonna sin...thats why the devil is around...but god will give u the strenght 2 push on...
i kno now u dont seem like u wanna give ur life 2 god...but im sure god will come back at u.,.and will make sure that time happens....prayers work homie! happy.gif
Suesterrx
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 11:22 AM)
If He loves us so much, why is He condemning us? If He gave us the power of free-will, why take that gift back? It's like me giving my brother a choice of two gifts, but my brother can only choose the one in my right.

god always has a reason for everything. happy.gif
PinkTrash
;] I believe in God, and in some ways people around me influence to believe in Buddism and others.. I dont think its right that if you believe partially in another religion that you'd be punished for it.. Buddism doesn't do that.. I think its not exactly true..
sikdragon
Many other religions have the same fundamentals as the Bible, but if you believe as Buddhists do and not do anything negative toward a neighbor then that is like saying love thy neighbor as thy self. There is only positive and negative, good and evil, black and white, hot and cold.
There is no middle man. No gray area.

Choose a side and stick with what your heart leads you to believe. Don't get confused when you love something more than somebody then there is a serious problem. God's word is as good as God himself. Just like your word, it should be as good as you. Christ lived by example, follow it.
gigiopolis
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 8:20 AM)
It does seem like you're trying to scare me into believing into God. The more you talk about God, the more I start not liking the idea of there being a God. And how you talk about him makes him seem like he's trying to make people fear him, and therefore obey.

Yes, I agree. Everyone talks so much about it that I dislike the idea..it's like He's some sort of evil dictator now. "Listen to me, listen to me, listen to me." I don't have anything against God, don't get me wrong. I think it's a good thing to have a religion to believe in, but I hate the idea of people pushing others to believe! You just can't do that. It's just morally incorrect.
sikdragon
let's say there was a flyer around school about a party in the Gym. When you go hear that the teachers are all aliens and are trying to get worms into the ears of all the student population. You witness one person get taken and you try to warn others not to go in there and are trying to save the world from the aliens. Your friends and parents won't listen to you because it sounds stupid and the party sounds like more fun.

Would that be too pushy then?
Ignorance is bliss.
espionage
Whoa. Is that from Animorphs?

Urgency requires trust, in which ignorance does not give. Bliss is ignorance, but so is urgency sometimes. IMO, I think it's best for all of you to check Christianity out, and then come here and have a talk with sik.

But you gotta check it out. _smile.gif
Spirited Away
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Sep 17 2004, 12:59 AM)
Many other religions have the same fundamentals as the Bible, but if you believe as Buddhists do and not do anything negative toward a neighbor then that is like saying love thy neighbor as thy self. There is only positive and negative, good and evil, black and white, hot and cold.
There is no middle man. No gray area.

Except that Buddhims existed before the Christian era, and Hinduism existed before Judaism.

You mean that Christianity has many of the same fundamentals as older religions.
sikdragon
lol no we are talking about if someone will go to heaven if they believe in some things of other religions. Not timelines.
Spirited Away
Ah, okay okay, I was only making a point to clear up misunderstandings. Some kids may read that and think that other religions copied some of those fundamentals.
gigiopolis
Like I haven't checked it out? If I didn't check it out I wouldn't have these kinds of feelings.

My dad and my brother are both Christians. My mom and I aren't. You think I haven't checked it out?

At least my dad and brother don't advertise Christianity to my mom and me every 5 minutes, you know. Of course we've thought about it, of course we know a lot about it, we just don't want to. And you think I'm ignorant? There's a fine line between "ignorant" and "independent".

I'm sorry if I'm getting the wrong idea across here, that I'm some sort of Christian hater, but I'm not.
sikdragon
you may have given christianity a chance, but i dont think you have given God a chance? try talking to him.
gigiopolis
Likewise. I thought that when I said "Christianity" it covered everything related to that religion...so yes, I have given God a chance. I honestly didn't see it the way my father/brother did, and I figured it out long before that's it not right for me.
sikdragon
not right for you?? are you just afraid to trust anyone but yourself?
Spirited Away
Yea, I'm sure the Jews asked God to help them plenty of times while digging their own graves, and I'm even more positive that plenty of people pray ardently for world peace.

Trusting your own strength and those of your fellow man usually yield more substantial results.

When you ask God for help, you'd have to wait in a long line to get a miracle...

Okay... I'm not picking a fight... I'm just saying that there is NOTHING wrong with trusting yourself.
gigiopolis
Well, no, I can trust people, and I'm pretty sure I could trust God (I mean, if He exists and all), but it's just that I don't agree with a lot of the stuff religions in general preach.

And what's wrong with believing and trusting yourself? Sometimes the best judgment comes from the bottom of your heart, and not from someone telling you about it.
sikdragon
Where do you think your conscience and those little things from the bottom of your heart come from? Quit putting God in the same boat as organized religion. The church has been corrupt since the beginning of civilization. The spanish inquisition, the salem witch trials, and the KKK who claimed to be working for God.

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Yea, I'm sure the Jews asked God to help them plenty of times while digging their own graves, and I'm even more positive that plenty of people pray ardently for world peace.

Trusting your own strength and those of your fellow man usually yield more substantial results.

When you ask God for help, you'd have to wait in a long line to get a miracle...

Okay... I'm not picking a fight... I'm just saying that there is NOTHING wrong with trusting yourself.



If you read the bible you would understand. There cannot be world peace. The world is corrupt and will continue to be that way until the war comes and Jesus bruises the head of lucifer and casts him back to hell.

There is something wrong with trusting yourself. You are imperfect, as am i, the only.... THE ONLY remedy is that which is perfect. GOD.
Humans are by nature evil and as such without God there would be nothing but hate and agony in this world.
scleex88
you talk of God on this thread.
then about fighting another kid in another thread.
sikdragon
is fighting another kid wrong? how does it contradict my message of God in your opinion?
scleex88
fighting another kid is not wrong?
beating and fighting is right?
how does that relate to your view with God?
believers of God turn to violence?
of course it contradicts. think about it
God believers fight to answer problems?
..? i dont get how fighting and God goes together.
sikdragon
Read the old testament.
scleex88
ok, so the old testament tells you
you can beat up kids when youre angry?
tell me what part of old testament says that, please.
sikdragon
tell me when i said to beat up kids when you're angry? Fighting can be fun, it's when everyone is so scared to hit that they try and kill each other is when it becomes a problem.
scleex88
fighting can be fun..
gigiopolis
Excuse me, it's like you're saying everyone who isn't Christian will go out and kill everyone or something.

I know PLENTY of people who are completely and utterly Atheist but wouldn't even think about killing someone. In fact, if the whole world was run by Atheists I think it would run just the same way.

I'm not Christian, but I have a lot of the same morals that religion preaches. I won't go out and kick someone's ass just because I don't have the guidance of something "perfect."

Christianity isn't an organized religion? Helloooo? Did you even TRY to listen in eighth grade Socials class? There was something called the Crusades. You know. The thing where people ran out of their homes and killed thousands of Muslims just for the sake of going to heaven? False morals, my friend, false morals.

As far as I'm concerned, if everyone on this planet were Christian, there still would be no world peace. Just like I said before, if we were all Atheists there still wouldn't be world peace, but certainly no World War III.

So what if you're not perfect? You learn from your mistakes. I haven't been guided by God and I'm still perfectly moral and humane. But not "perfect." There's nothing wrong with being "imperfect."

I would appreciate it if you would be more respectful of other people's beliefs, and not insult them in that way you do.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Sep 19 2004, 1:54 AM)
Where do you think your conscience and those little things from the bottom of your heart come from? Quit putting God in the same boat as organized religion. The church has been corrupt since the beginning of civilization. The spanish inquisition, the salem witch trials, and the KKK who claimed to be working for God.

And they're not? Who's to say they're not? You? Do you speak to God for them? Or does God tells you others' secrets?


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If you read the bible you would understand. There cannot be world peace. The world is corrupt and will continue to be that way until the war comes and Jesus bruises the head of lucifer and casts him back to hell.


On the contrary, I don't need to read the Bible to understand. In fact, I understand quite well. The world is corrupt because individuals want to be happy, and happiness means different things to different people. God can cast Evil back in its place, but will send good people along with it. How kind of Him.

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There is something wrong with trusting yourself. You are imperfect, as am i, the only.... THE ONLY remedy is that which is perfect. GOD.
Humans are by nature evil and as such without God there would be nothing but hate and agony in this world


So babies, by nature, are evil. They can kill me with their drools, I suppose.

There is hate and agony with or without God, and the same is said about peace and happiness. This can be easily decided by individuals and how they choose to live life. Imperfections aren't to be fixed, neccessarily. We should be wary of them and try to better ourselves, but this can be done by mere human will. If you think God can provide emotional support, that's fine, but humans can do just fine.
nas
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Sep 19 2004, 3:17 AM)
Fighting can be fun

Like whoa it's fire and brimstone for you boy. What did the bible preach? Something about turning the other cheek? Why didn't Jesus fight back again? Why did Jesus warn the other deciples not to fight back?

Hush maaan. You're giving religion a bad name like any other hypocrite that doesn't practice what they preach.
espionage
I don't give a care what anyone else said above this post that can contradict what I'm going to say;


but Christianity is not about morals. Thank you byebye.

It doesn't mean you go around fighting and hurting.
raw_material
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 19 2004, 8:15 PM)
On the contrary, I don't need to read the Bible to understand. In fact, I understand quite well. The world is corrupt because individuals want to be happy, and happiness means different things to different people. God can cast Evil back in its place, but will send good people along with it. How kind of Him.

you dont need 2 read the bible 2 understand..and who named you the g for genius...4get church i guess il just ask u kid....yea the world is corrupt...pshh if it wasnt messed up then it wouldt be the same...sin is fun but theres hell in the end...teh devils out 2 make us fall kid....how does god send good pple back to evils place? boy u can be the nicest person in the world that dont mean ur going 2 heaven and ur better with god lol...trust me son u havent lived until you lived with the mindset that heaven lives take time and think on these things... cool.gif
Spirited Away
QUOTE(raw_material @ Sep 20 2004, 3:09 PM)
you dont need 2 read the bible 2 understand..and who named you the g for genius...4get church i guess il just ask u kid....yea the world is corrupt...pshh if it wasnt messed up then it wouldt be the same...sin is fun but theres hell in the end...teh devils out 2 make us fall kid....how does god send good pple back to evils place? boy u can be the nicest person in the world that dont mean ur going 2 heaven and ur better with god lol...trust me son  u havent lived until you lived with the mindset that heaven lives take time and think on these things... cool.gif

Are you.... calling me....... a kid and your son? mellow.gif huh.gif happy.gif laugh.gif . Uh, are you God now or something? Do you now how old I am?

I have no idea what you mean by: "who named you the g for genius". I may be a "kid" *snickers*, but at least I know how to make sense.

So here's my response to what I can understand from what you said:

You asked how does God send good people back to evil's place even though I already answered it... I think, that you need to read carefully before trying to answer to anything I say from now on to make sure you don't embarrass yourself.

My answer to how God sends good people to Hell is that He sends non-believers to Hell even though there are non-believers who holds more good than any Christian. Good people are those that help man kind to improve their morals and life style rather than force others to believe in something they do not want to. And yet, because they do not believe in God, they have to go to Hell. You can call that justice all you want, just like Hitler thought it was okay to condemn other men, I will call it a thing that rewards belief... which is no reward at all.

This is the last time I will repeat the answer to you, my dear. Try to read the words carefully. Ce n'est pas difficile.
raw_material
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 20 2004, 5:34 PM)
Are you.... calling me....... a kid and your son? mellow.gif huh.gif happy.gif laugh.gif . Uh, are you God now or something? Do you now how old I am?

I have no idea what you mean by: "who named you the g for genius". I may be a "kid" *snickers*, but at least I know how to make sense.

So here's my response to what I can understand from what you said:

You asked how does God send good people back to evil's place even though I already answered it... I think, that you need to read carefully before trying to answer to anything I say from now on to make sure you don't embarrass yourself.

My answer to how God sends good people to Hell is that He sends non-believers to Hell even though there are non-believers who holds more good than any Christian. Good people are those that help man kind to improve their morals and life style rather than force others to believe in something they do not want to. And yet, because they do not believe in God, they have to go to Hell. You can call that justice all you want, just like Hitler thought it was okay to condemn other men, I will call it a thing that rewards belief... which is no reward at all.

This is the last time I will repeat the answer to you, my dear. Try to read the words carefully. Ce n'est pas difficile.

lol 1st of all i have to apologize and say sorry for the kid and son sorry i was not calling you that i wasnt trying 2 disrespect you or nothing down here where i live thats how we talk we call each other kid and son ..u kno like slangs so i felt like i was talking to my friends so my bad 4 the miss understanding the last thing i wanna do is catch beef or drama lol

god doesnt send non believers 2 hell they send themselves...the bible says each person in this hole world will hear the gospel atleast once in there lives..its up 2 us 2 believer or not...i mean come on how hard cant it be to give it a try...if we give it a try god will show u the way...again im sorry for the kid and son missunderstanding!
raw_material
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Sep 20 2004, 5:34 PM)
Ce n'est pas difficile.

y eso que significa? algo de difficil oh que! cool.gif
Spirited Away
QUOTE(raw_material @ Sep 20 2004, 6:53 PM)
lol 1st of all i have to apologize and say sorry for the kid and son sorry i was not calling you that i wasnt trying 2 disrespect you or nothing down here where i live thats how we talk we call each other kid and son ..u kno like slangs so i felt like i was talking to my friends so my bad 4 the miss understanding the last thing i wanna do is catch beef or drama lol

Down here? How down can you be? I'm in Houston TX, you wouldn't be any more in the South than I already am. I wouldn't use those words if I knew the person I'm conversing with is older than I.

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god doesnt send non believers 2 hell they send themselves...the bible says each person in this hole world will hear the gospel atleast once in there lives..its up 2 us 2 believer or not...i mean come on how hard cant it be to give it a try...if we give it a try god will show u the way...again im sorry for the kid and son missunderstanding!


Oh yes, people would send themselves to Hell, like they have the power to do that rolleyes.gif. I would send myself to Heaven, too, if it were a choice and if I believed in it. But for some dog-gone reason, it's not in one's hands to be in Heaven or Hell, it's God's.

How can you say that non-believers send themselves to Hell? I don't get that logic.

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y eso que significa? algo de difficil oh que!


J'ai su que vous comprendriez. Tres bon! Et "FYI", je sais un peu Espagnol.
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