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sikdragon
In some entries it looks like i am threatening people with hell. I am not i am just stating facts out of my book. If i didnt care i just wouldnt say anything at all. It really hurts me to see so many rejection God so fully when he loves you so much.
sporadic
It does seem like you're trying to scare me into believing into God. The more you talk about God, the more I start not liking the idea of there being a God. And how you talk about him makes him seem like he's trying to make people fear him, and therefore obey.
Mini
If He loves us so much, why is He condemning us? If He gave us the power of free-will, why take that gift back? It's like me giving my brother a choice of two gifts, but my brother can only choose the one in my right.
raw_material
god doesnt want u 2 feer him ...god is a god of love....if right now u say i dont believe in this god ....u kno wat he thinks...he still loves no matter wat u say or wat u do...he still loves u...he sent his own son 2 die 4 us in the cross so we can b cleaned of our sins....im sure if u ask god 2 show u away if he is true or not he will answer u...
sporadic
Yeah, that's a really good point.

But it's like.. God is testing your faith. Like, let's say everyone's telling you to pick the present on your right because it has candy. But the present on your left is coal. Except you can't trust the people who are telling you to choose that present. God is trusting you to pick the right present.

Funny that I'm explaining this, because I'm mostly an Athiest.
sikdragon
God is a good God he is just meaning he is a God of justice. as much as he loves you, if you choose evil he must condem you to hell. he didnt take it back, you can choose to do what you want you choose what you want, paradise or the lake of fire.
sikdragon
but ur starting to understand.
Mini
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 11:27 AM)
God is a good God he is just meaning he is a God of justice. as much as he loves you, if you choose evil he must condem you to hell. he didnt take it back, you can choose to do what you want you choose what you want, paradise or the lake of fire.

As I said, how do you know which to choose? Only faith helps us. It's like He is condemning the people that were raised up with different religions. And you know how hard it is to change one's beliefs and opinions.
sikdragon
he isnt he loves everyone. do you think he doesnt take that into consideration at judgement?
raw_material
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 11:30 AM)
As I said, how do you know which to choose? Only faith helps us. It's like He is condemning the people that were raised up with different religions. And you know how hard it is to change one's beliefs and opinions.



yea its hard 2 change religions like seriously hard....but thats our mission on earth...2 turn non believers into believers...no matter if it kills us...god wants us 2 make every1 go 2 heaven....it wont happen....dont u think if god wasnt a free will god then he would slap u everytime u sin....thats why the devil is around....he wants us 2 sin bcuz he hates god
Mini
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 11:32 AM)
he isnt he loves everyone. do you think he doesnt take that into consideration at judgement?

But didn't the Bible state that who doesn't believe in God and Jesus are going to Hell? So say if I was raised to believe in God, Buddha (prophet), and Jesus, wouldn't I go to Hell because I believe in Buddha as a prophet and I believe in the teachings of Buddha?

That's what I am asking. Also, what if a person was raised up to believe in the Hindu teachings? They don't believe in God, thus would they go to Hell because they were raised up that way?

Does that Bible say that there are exceptions? Also, what if there is another religion that also says if you don't believe in their God(s) or some other universal being, that you would go to Hell. How do you choose from that? Too bad God can turn himself into a physical being and fly around and tell people to believe.
sporadic
You can't, you should be able to know inwardly what you truly believe in.
raw_material
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 11:38 AM)
But didn't the Bible state that who doesn't believe in God and Jesus are going to Hell? So say if I was raised to believe in God, Buddha (prophet), and Jesus, wouldn't I go to Hell because I believe in Buddha as a prophet and I believe in the teachings of Buddha?

That's what I am asking. Also, what if a person was raised up to believe in the Hindu teachings? They don't believe in God, thus would they go to Hell because they were raised up that way?

Does that Bible say that there are exceptions? Also, what if there is another religion that also says if you don't believe in their God(s) or some other universal being, that you would go to Hell. How do you choose from that?


yea but every other religion doesnt have the bible...we do not them.....god says every1 will hear the gospell atleas once or hear about god.....but thats our fault(christians) that if we dont give the word out those pple will go 2 hell bcuz of us.....when we are at school with our friends that dont believe in god its our job 2 let them kno about god and his gift...sometimes we are to ashame 2 talk about god cuz they will make fun of us....but if we dont tell them about his gift...then who will we dont kno if some1 else will tell them...then its our fault that they have 2 suffer bcuz we were 2 scared 2 talk to them about him
Mini
QUOTE(raw_material @ Aug 18 2004, 11:41 AM)
yea but every other religion doesnt have the bible...we do not them.....god says every1 will hear the gospell atleas once or hear about god.....but thats our fault(christians) that if we dont give the word out those pple will go 2 hell bcuz of us.....when we are at school with our friends that dont believe in god its our job 2 let them kno about god and his gift...sometimes we are to ashame 2 talk about god cuz they will make fun of us....but if we dont tell them about his gift...then who will we dont kno if some1 else will tell them...then its our fault that they have 2 suffer bcuz we were 2 scared 2 talk to them about him

So you are saying God has already condemned us. Our gift is also our curse. Basically if either you don't know about God or unsure of God, we are forever damned. God should give us a better chance. _dry.gif I don't trust God's followers.
sporadic
But that's incredibly unfair. If you don't know about God, you go to Hell anyway, just because? Isn't God a little bit wiser than that?
Mini
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 11:51 AM)
But that's incredibly unfair. If you don't know about God, you go to Hell anyway, just because? Isn't God a little bit wiser than that?

What is even worse is that you also have to acknowledge God's gift, Jesus Christ, for dying on the cross and saved us. I feel bad for everyone who doesn't have the internet to learn about this because God's followers didn't do their job.
raw_material
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 11:48 AM)
So you are saying God has already condemned us. Our gift is also our curse. Basically if either you don't know about God or unsure of God, we are forever damned. God should give us a better chance. _dry.gif I don't trust God's followers.


his gift is not a curse....either u take the gift...or u dont

u believe wat u belive...but i garantee u theres thing in life u belive bcuz word of mouth...if the radio say we are having a sale everything is 50 percent off..u go 2 the store just cuz u heared it was 50 percent off...this is the bottom line clearly got had 2 had told us something or we are entittled to our own opinions ..i believe that if hes gonna hold humans responsible ..and hes an intellectual god hes not gonna b sapping us 4 every little bad thing we do...god has either communicated wat he expects and communicated these answers 2 the questions we are talking about..and its not one of those things that "nobody knows" somebody does kno all does who agree that god has spoken then we have find out where has he spoken then we have to trust or reject taht he is the final word on issues and the key is that we dont recycle because god has already said u die once and ur judged and the answer to that is "nobody knows" the answer is do u believe that god has said that and we just gotta understand god has cleared all of this up none of this matters wat matter is that when u are ready 2 die are u willing 2 risk ur eternaty on "nobody knows"...wat are u gonna believe on the hope or no we are not gonna b accountable bcuz "nobody really knew"
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 11:51 AM)
But that's incredibly unfair. If you don't know about God, you go to Hell anyway, just because? Isn't God a little bit wiser than that?



the god says ...every1 will heare the gospell(his word) atleast once....its up 2 us his followers 2 make sure every2 accepts his word...so every1 is giving a chance...god is a fair god...
Mini
Here's an interesting website about Hell. Read http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

QUOTE
NOTHING'S WORTH TAKING THE CHANCE!

It's simple to be saved ...

    * Realize you are a sinner.

          "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" Romans 3:10

          "... for there is no difference. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23

    * Realize you CAN NOT save yourself.

          "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; ..." Isaiah 64:6

          "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, ..." Titus 3:5

    * Realize that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins.

          "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, ..." 1 Peter 2:24

          "... Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," Revelation 1:5

    * Simply by faith receive Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

          "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12

          " ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."" Acts 16:30,31

          "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16


WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SAVED?

Pray this prayer, and mean it with all your heart.

Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless you save me I am lost forever. I thank you for dying for me at Calvary. I come to you now, Lord the best way I know how, and ask you to save me. I now receive you as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.
sikdragon
that is incredible unfair. i know plenty of people who dont have the internet who have heard from me. and u arent reading what i wrote. There are many common beliefs among the religions, but remember every acknowledgement of a higher power is God who is Jesus. if you dont live by the commandments and dont ask for forgiveness you will go to hell. the ten commandments are basic morality and are accepted in some form for many cultures. every person is different and will be judged according to their circumstances.
raw_material
u believe wat u belive...but i garantee u theres thing in life u belive bcuz word of mouth...if the radio say we are having a sale everything is 50 percent off..u go 2 the store just cuz u heared it was 50 percent off...this is the bottom line clearly got had 2 had told us something or we are entittled to our own opinions ..i believe that if hes gonna hold humans responsible ..and hes an intellectual god hes not gonna b sapping us 4 every little bad thing we do...god has either communicated wat he expects and communicated these answers 2 the questions we are talking about..and its not one of those things that "nobody knows" somebody does kno all does who agree that god has spoken then we have find out where has he spoken then we have to trust or reject taht he is the final word on issues and the key is that we dont recycle because god has already said u die once and ur judged and the answer to that is "nobody knows" the answer is do u believe that god has said that and we just gotta understand god has cleared all of this up none of this matters wat matter is that when u are ready 2 die are u willing 2 risk ur eternaty on "nobody knows"...wat are u gonna believe on the hope or no we are not gonna b accountable bcuz "nobody really knew"
sikdragon
im not sure what you said buddy, but unless you were talkin to me, it sounds good.
raw_material
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 12:04 PM)
Here's an interesting website about Hell. Read http://www.av1611.org/hell.html


its that simple u wrote it urself...
Realize that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins.

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, ..." 1 Peter 2:24

"... Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," Revelation 1:5

* Simply by faith receive Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12

" ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."" Acts 16:30,31

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16


WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SAVED?

if u die 2day ...from 0-100% ..how sure are u that ur going 2 heave
raw_material
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 12:09 PM)
im not sure what you said buddy, but unless you were talkin to me, it sounds good.

my bad it was not dirrected 2 u..it was for everyone 2 read...im on ur side kid come on lol
sikdragon
alright lol
Mini
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 12:05 PM)
that is incredible unfair. i know plenty of people who dont have the internet who have heard from me. and u arent reading what i wrote. There are many common beliefs among the religions, but remember every acknowledgement of a higher power is God who is Jesus. if you dont live by the commandments and dont ask for forgiveness you will go to hell. the ten commandments are basic morality and are accepted in some form for many cultures. every person is different and will be judged according to their circumstances.

What I am corcerning is the Hindus' and other religions where there are more than one God. They believe in reincarnation and there are thousands and thounsands of Hindu Gods. Basically, they just pick one to worship. But in essence as you are saying, there is only one universal being. So basically for those who live in 3rd world countries under national isolation, won't hear about God or that you only die once. Although all religion provides basic morals and how to live a good life without "sins," some don't know about God and his gift.
sporadic
All this talk about god makes me feel ishy and bad, and I'm pretty sure that's not the reaction I'm supposed to have.
sikdragon
im not sure what ishy is but on one side you have one that is arguing about the morality of God, and then me and that other guy answering. that is why we have missionaries. and God can talk to people, have you ever thought of that?
sporadic
The one person that god spoke to that I'm thinking of right now was burned at the stake, and everyone thought she was a witch.

And yes, I have thought of that.

The thought of dedicating myself to god makes me feel uncomfortable and wrong.
Mini
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 12:17 PM)
im not sure what ishy is but on one side you have one that is arguing about the morality of God, and then me and that other guy answering. that is why we have missionaries. and God can talk to people, have you ever thought of that?

Tell that to the people who died without knowing God exists. Trillions of people died in the past without knowing anything about God. They are burning in Hell right now because they didn't know about God.

If indeed true that God talks to a person, how does one know if it isn't the Devil speaking? If God loves us so, He would have sent a more clearer and global message so everyone would know in time before they die. Satan can only be at one place at one time, but God is everywhere. Why didn't God use everything in His power to give out that message?
sikdragon
u havent read anything i have said. that is taken into consideration in judgement. we dont know they are in hell.

why does it make u feel uncomfortable?
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 12:19 PM)
The one person that god spoke to that I'm thinking of right now was burned at the stake, and everyone thought she was a witch.

And yes, I have thought of that.

The thought of dedicating myself to god makes me feel uncomfortable and wrong.

the though of dedicating urself 2 god makes u feel unconftable and wrong..
why is that ??

im sure if u accept jesus as ur savior and taht he died 4 u i the cross and u believe u can have eternal life and go 2 heaven...... after that god will work in ur life even u might feel wrogn now but god works in wonderfull ways u would be surprise wat he will do 4 u in the future

oh yea from 1-100 how certain are u that ur going 2 heaven?
Mini
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 12:25 PM)
u havent read anything i have said. that is taken into consideration in judgement. we dont know they are in hell.

why does it make u feel uncomfortable?

I have read what you wrote, but you first stated that you need to believe in Jesus Christ to go to Heaven. That's what every source I look up tell me, that in a point in life before you die, if you haven't acknowledged Jesus Chirst, you will go to Hell.

QUOTE
DON'T BE CAUGHT DEAD WITHOUT JESUS!

You may have made some terrible mistakes in your life. There may be some things in your life you would give anything to be able to change. But friend, I assure you — if you die without Jesus Christ — it'll be the worst mistake you could possibly make!

Has there ever come a time and a place in your life, when you received Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?

If not, you are on the way to hell!

Don't let anyone convince you that when you die it will be all over! The Bible says in Hebrews 9:27:

    "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this THE JUDGMENT." Hebrews 9:27

Revelation 20:15 says:

    "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE." Revelation 20:15

If you've never received Jesus Christ as your Savior, bow your head this minute and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to save you.Don't put it off another second!


This is from a website I found.
sporadic
0, I am fairly sure that I'm going into the ground.

I'm not sure exactly why I feel like it, it's just how I feel. I couldn't and I won't dedicate myself to an alleged God, because I would feel like I'm only doing it because I don't want to go to Hell.
xnastyninjagrlx
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 11:25 AM)
Yeah, that's a really good point.

But it's like.. God is testing your faith. Like, let's say everyone's telling you to pick the present on your right because it has candy. But the present on your left is coal. Except you can't trust the people who are telling you to choose that present. God is trusting you to pick the right present.

Funny that I'm explaining this, because I'm mostly an Athiest.

Actually GOD DOES test you FAITH..

just like he did with Abraham..he had only ONe son
but God needed to know if he was faithful
to him so he told Abraham to go to the mountain and
kill his one and only son. Right when Abraham was
about to kill his son, God told him to stop cuz he
saw how Abraham was so faithful.
sikdragon
Jesus is The higher power that everyone knows about.
Mini
Fifty percent. whistling.gif


QUOTE
Jesus is The higher power that everyone knows about.


Tell that to my Communist great great grandfather that died.
sikdragon
he knows.
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 12:28 PM)
0, I am fairly sure that I'm going into the ground.

I'm not sure exactly why I feel like it, it's just how I feel. I couldn't and I won't dedicate myself to an alleged God, because I would feel like I'm only doing it because I don't want to go to Hell.


u say ur going to the ground why is that
u kno taht if u believe that jesus died 4 u...i garantee u taht u will go 2 heaven...u dont have 2 worry about serving god right now....just worry about going 2 heaven or hell....once u believe that jesus died 4u...boom the holy spirit will hook u up believe me....are u willing 2 accept jesus as ur savior?? wat do u have 2 lose?
sporadic
My self-respect and convictions?
Mini
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 12:34 PM)
he knows.

You can't assume that. Communism had the Iron Curtain, communism controlled everything. So you can't say he knows that.
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 12:39 PM)
My self-respect and convictions?


sorry i didnt get it...can u explain better....like which convictions and wat do u mean self respect?
xnastyninjagrlx
QUOTE(Mini @ Aug 18 2004, 12:28 PM)
I have read what you wrote, but you first stated that you need to believe in Jesus Christ to go to Heaven. That's what every source I look up tell me, that in a point in life before you die, if you haven't acknowledged Jesus Chirst, you will go to Hell.



This is from a website I found.

Actually to know Jesus Christ is just part of it. Most people know about the Bible and Jesus Christ. Heck, even the Devil knows Jesus Christ. He knows that he is the all mighty God. THe difference is that we shouldn't only Know who Jesus is..but we should have a stable and relationship with God. He is not going to let you go to Heaven, JUST because you know him...cuz a lot of ppl know him but really haven't "walked" with him. Get iT??
sporadic
What I believe in. If I just gave in and said I believed in God and that Jesus Christ was my Saviour, I would be lying. And that is wrong. When I am ready to believe in God and Jesus I will know it.
Mini
QUOTE(xnastyninjagrlx @ Aug 18 2004, 12:42 PM)
Actually to know Jesus Christ is just part of it. Most people know about the Bible and Jesus Christ. Heck, even the Devil knows Jesus Christ. He knows that he is the all mighty God. THe difference is that we shouldn't only Know who Jesus is..but we should have a stable and relationship with God. He is not going to let you go to Heaven, JUST because you know him...cuz a lot of ppl know him but really haven't "walked" with him. Get iT??

No duh. That's what I am saying for all those unfortunate people who didn't know about God and Jesus yet alone have a stable relationship with God.
sikdragon
good for you sister. and you will know it.
raw_material
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 12:42 PM)
What I believe in. If I just gave in and said I believed in God and that Jesus Christ was my Saviour, I would be lying. And that is wrong. When I am ready to believe in God and Jesus I will know it.


once u believe in jesus as ur savior....the holy spirit and god will work in ur life...even do u want 2 lie saying u dont 2 dedicate ur life 2 god....change will happen even when u least expect it..

just like xnastyninjagrlx said even the Devil knows Jesus Christ. He knows that he is the all mighty God. THe difference is that we shouldn't only Know who Jesus is..but we should have a stable and relationship with God. He is not going to let you go to Heaven, JUST because you know him...cuz a lot of ppl know him but really haven't "walked" with him....one u believe god will provide ways 2 worship him...its good and awesome 2 believe...but u also gotta play ur roll and walk with god cool.gif
sporadic
I don't think you get it. If I lied and said that I completely and fully believed in Jesus and God, that's like asking to get sent to Hell. Or maybe you did get that, I just wanted to make sure that would be acknowledged.
sikdragon
yeah but if you were sorry then you wouldnt go to hell. and im sorry you feel that way. I still love you tho.
Mini
QUOTE(raw_material @ Aug 18 2004, 12:49 PM)
once u believe in jesus as ur savior....the holy spirit and god will work in ur life...even do u want 2 lie saying u dont 2 dedicate ur life 2 god....change will happen even when u least expect it..

just like xnastyninjagrlx said even the Devil knows Jesus Christ. He knows that he is the all mighty God. THe difference is that we shouldn't only Know who Jesus is..but we should have a stable and relationship with God. He is not going to let you go to Heaven, JUST because you know him...cuz a lot of ppl know him but really haven't "walked" with him....one u believe god will provide ways 2 worship him...its good and awesome 2 believe...but u also gotta play ur roll and walk with god cool.gif

I don't even worship Buddha or talk to him that much. I am not a very religious person. Even if I believe in God and Jesus, and I talk to the universal being. Does that mean I still go to Hell because I don't worship him or read the Bible?
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