eh, actually, thats the way they choose to carry out their lives, and thats not really ALL gothicism.... thats more of new age gothicism.... but anyways.... eh, even Linkin Park has lyrics that the Catholic Church wouldnt want, its not exactly happy music is it?




eh, i agree with fae, wouldnt you think that the Pope would think at least the tiniest bit similar to this letter :/

Well here's another reason that I am anti-religion...

Frequently wears black clothing. Wears band and/or rock t-shirts. Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.

So now some people arent allowed to wear black eh? What other colors will they ban next? Brown? Red? And no rock shirts? How about no tye-dye shirts or no 'Im With Stupid' shirts? What is the world coming to?

Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols.

Now that may be ture to some extent, but if you have one or 2 peices of jewelry like that you should not be punished for a form of clothing.

Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.

Now, I myslef think that tattoos are stupid, but for the sake of human rights, a person should be able to get ink permenatly injected into their skin if they want.

Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of
music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks
against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)

'Anti-social genres'?

Associates with other people that dress, act or speak
eccentrically.

'Eccentrically'?

Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such
as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

Lots of people should have the right notto go to church. And a lot of people dont like sports, they would rather be shopping in the mall, or at church... ah ha!

Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic,
the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

Now thats kind of freaky but, if its Harry Potter let them read the damn books.

Takes drugs. Drinks alcohol.

Now thats not 'Satanic' thats giving into peer pressure.

Is suicidal and/or depressed.

I am depressed because I have no friends, and I dont worship the devil, i dont even believe hes real, which they would probably get all over me for.

Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and
His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

Mental health center! Ha! Its a stage that teenagers go through! Basically all this stuff on this list is.

Complains of boredom.

Thats like saying 'Its satanic if you complain that you are hungry.'

Sleeps too excessively or too little. Is excessively awake during the night.

Yes, it is called insomnia

Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to
vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)

Some people, such as myself, take an acne medication and it makes them VERY sensitive to the sun. And most people dont like a bright red face and peeling skin to go back to school with.

Demands an unusual amount of privacy. Spends large amounts of time alone.
Doesnt everyone? Sometimes you are PMSing and you dont WANT to talk to anyone.

Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)

Now this one is really offensive. Meditation is a form of relaxation. Not worshipping the devil.

Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

This is just another part of our stage as teenagers. We want to be with our friends. Not our boring parents

Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this.

Teenager stage.

Misbehaves at school. Misbehaves at home.

Teenager stage.

Eats excessively or too little.

TEENAGER STAGE.

Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

Thats just stupid. Its like saying 'If you own a 2-story house you are worshipping the devil.'

Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood.
(Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)

Damn right its dangerous! Who drinks blood?

Watches cable television or any other corrupted media
sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)

Corrupetd? Thats life deal with it. Yet, there are 'proper programs that your child may watch' on cable?

Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

Teenager stage, well at least for boys, i dont know may girls that play action games. We like Ms. Pac Man.

Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

What links the internet and satan?

Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music. Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

Dont we all?

Expresses an interest in sex.

Teenager stage...

Masturbates

Basically all of the world masturbates...

Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

Now thats just... that is the one that makes me mad. i am speechless. I hate people that are so close minded. I could go on and on, I am not homosexual i just think that EVERYBODY should have their rights.

Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.

Speechless, everyone should have theri rights.

Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: "I'm so gothic, I'm dead", "woe is me", "I'm a goth". Claims to be a goth.

Same with the clothing rights.

Who is left after this brutal attack. I think that everyone in the world fits into one of thoese 'guidelines'. I would like to talk to one of these hardcore Catholics. But they would probably be afriad to talk to me because I am apparently a worshiper of satan...

its seems as if starfaerie06 and I are fairly similar.

I was just thinking the same thing.



My friend read this and she said "Next they're going to call me gay because I eat fruity pebbles!!!"



I play a lot of video games... Halo 2 is one of my favorites even if I suck at it because I don't have an Xbox to play it on all the time... I have PS2 and Super Nintendo. But I know that most gurls don't play a whole lot of video games...



The only thing different about out opinions on this one is that I'm bisexual.



I totally agree.. I can't believe some people are so ignorant...

I found another one... http://www.seabrite.com/milwaukeegothiccouncil/ELCA.htm I can't believe people are so ignorant!

apparently the church belives money is satanic. i agree. they should scorn all thier money, and give it back the the "satan worshiper" a.k.a half the US's teenage population.

i want some money!

Haha, seabrite.com says Dungeons and Dragons is satanic! lol It says 'pale skin' is bad, well some people are just born that way. all this stuff is too funny. i cant believe people take it seriously.

Really. I wonder what they say about albinos.

lmao.

thats very very stupid!

uh huh apparently so, and why in the world is they eye of ra on the us dollar. I was thinking about that 3 weeks ago o.O.

Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include:
reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols.


The Church has been corrupt since the early Christianity....the Pentacle or Pentagram were NEVER Satanic symbols. They used to represent Venus, a symbol of perfection and sacred feminine. But The Church, in their attempt to destroy other religions, turned the Pentacle into a symbol of the Devil. They did this with many other symbols too.

You all should read The Da Vinci Code sometime, which how i know this stuff....and for those of u who dont know what a Pentacle is.

you know that they're talking about the upside down pentacle being a symbol of satan, right?

the eye of Ra is on the dollar because it is part of the symbol of the mason's secret society, i belive, which many founding fathers were a part of.

apparently, some people in california don't want the words "In God We Trust" on money. I agree, so they should scorn all their money, and give it back to the God Worshipper, aka me.

Well I think that was wrong for the church to send out a letter like that too it's patrones[ms]. My friend is Catholic and she has a lot of those so called points and yet nothing has happened to her. Her parents AREN'T sending her to Catholic school and making her isolated. I find this letter BS.

I'm Catholic...and this right here seems way extreme! Gosh...it's thinks like this that really make me wonder...because personally, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANY OF THESE THINGS!

That isn't any kind of actual teaching or claim by the Catholic Church! Just b/c some Idiot at 1 church sent out a flier saying this dosen't mean that it is condoned by the catholic church! You want to read the Chatechisim? There is nothing in the Catholic Church specifically against Goths, Punks, Preps or anyone they are not discriminating against anyone. There can be stuff against some of the things that, as a steryotype, these groups stand for (anarchy, and self mutilation for example) but just b/c one J@K@$$ at 1 church is steryotyping dosn't mean the catholic church is! I have Catholic friends who are Goths and the church has nothing against them! If you have questions you can find a Chatecisim of the Catholic church online and look through for yourself!
Go Ahead!

P.S. The DaVinci Code is mostly fiction and some of their "right information" came from sources that were wrong. You can find boatloads of books exposing the fact from fiction in the DaVinci Code. You cannot use this book to suppost any of your claims or Accusations against the Catholic Church unless you have really done your research, which I doubt anyone on these forums has.

don't like... clergy wear black?



yes; this is probably just one part of the church, not all of it.

but yes; this is a probable claim.

And once again, I have to ask:

Would the Pope disagree with all of those points?

If he would disagree, then can't someone file a formal complaint to the Pope so that whoever's responsible for the silly thing will know his/her place?

i don't think the pope would disagreee. which would make it the claims of the entire catholic church. but only if he said he agreed.

someone submit it to him and see what he says

I'd think the pope would try to avoid conflict tho, so he'd politically skirt the issue.

either way offends one group. 1, teenagers. 2, whichever church sent that and the people who agree.

Exactly what I was thinking.

But you know, the Church had changed a lot. They used to not have meats on Fridays but that changed. So maybe... the Pope might think the thing is silly and use his almighty influence to get rid of the person who wrote that. Eh.

CALM DOWN!!! Most of the people in here realize that these are the words of a small number of churches, maybe only one and that this isn't the way that all Catholics feel.

True indeed!.... this is what religion does sometimes to us... God doesnt not want a religion... he wants a relationship! No not a bf, gf, sexual kind of way (pervs)....Why do u think jesus had the most trouble with religion while he was on earth?!?!?!

this makes me sick. absolutely sick to my stomach. how shallow and closed-minded can those f**kin` nuns at St. Mary Jo Bob or whatever be?!?! The funny thing is, the persons that made that whole "awareness of scary gothic people" document must be about 80 years old, and has no idea what goth people are all about...or teenagers in general.

HAHAHAHAHA. this makes me laugh
errrgh, yes i am christian and i apply to more than 5 of these, in fact...i think almost ALL teenagers suffer of these:

-Complains of boredom.
-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts. ]
-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.
-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
-Spends large amounts of time alone.

how shallow..

I'd like you to find me a teenager that DOESN'T appy to atleast 5 of these.

does a past one count?

cus it's like old people saying "i was a teenager once. yea, i went to sock hops and soda parlours. and i listened to my parents."

but of course they won't mention sneaking into the drive in movie theater.

and you know that 'authority' will use themselves as the perfect example of what you should be.

no crap!

holy shit man i have no idea on where to start,
i looked at that second website that starfaerie provided and that site made me so mad!


the bolded ones applied to me or someone that i know and having those qualities does not make me gothic or satanic



and on the letter where it says that you cant eat count chocula (sp?) cereal just made me laugh
and the fact that if you watch cable makes me gothic and satinic cuz its 'corrupted media' is also stupid because the whole worl is pretty much corrupted and its impossible to escape it
and i counted and about 30 of those qualities from that letter applied to me and i am not gothic or satanic in any way

sorry if this post didnt make sense but i tried

it made sense... but ur banner scares me. lol

30/38. Wow. I'm goth. Yay?

Philosophy?!?! That's like the coolest subject ever!

And sci-fi novels are banned... lol...

because luke undermines the church's athority, as epitomized by Darth Vader.

YEA YEA YEA PRAiSE THE LORD...
ONcE i SAW A GUY AT MALL WEARING A BLACK SHIRT WITH WHITE PRiNT SAYING JESUS HATES ME... AND HE WAS WEARING ALL BLAcK, AND HAD THE TYPiKAL GOTH ATTIRE, ALTHOUGH i DONT LiKE GENERALiZiNG HiM iN THAT WAY, BUT WHATEVER THE KASE, iT MADE ME SAD, JESUS DOESN'T HAVE ANYBODY! HE LOVES US ALL =P

My conclusion:

The document source is a bit shady, we can't even be sure if the parish did publish this document. Also, even if it did, it doesn't represent the views of all Catholics.

Of course it is not, the source is the Catholic Church, not the Catholic Church and all of the Catholic people.

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-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

Oh my gosh. That made me laugh so hard.

Well, well. I believe that we are all God's children. Wouldn't Gpd be able to accept us for who we are? If he truly loved us, he would.
I apply to 30/ 36 or 38 traits. Wow. I must go worship Satan now.

that's so cruel of a CHURCH to be so stereotypical of gothic ppl... out of all the holy people in the world, they have to be somewhat cruel too?

Do you people read or not? Look at my posts in this thread.

pale skin?? dammit, i've been trying to get rid of it. :[

your skin doesnt look pale? you are very pretty

Awww, put I like you just the way you is miss. :P