i think this is a tricky question if you think about it.

is science important or .. religon ? why tho .. ?

Religon helps make people safer . It help you to become a better person. Religon is mainly about beliefs and how to become a better person . . . the problem is . . did anyone prove that gods existed ? etc ..

Science helps people to be safe. Science tell us what to aware of. Without science, we wouldnt know where we are, what is safe? .. such as planets or universe ..... etc ..


if you think carefully, it could be tricky, you dont know which one is " more " important

do you people understand what i'm saiding ? just think bout it.

tell me what you think ?

Religion has been the reason for many wars and persecution of innocents throughout history, and it persists to be a reason for many kinds of segregation in our contemporary world. So I wouldn't say that it makes people, in general, safer. I would say, however, that religion provides answers for individuals who believe that having those answers can make them a better person or give them a sense of security.

One can be good/bad with or without being involved with religion.

Science is necessary for the advancement, in many aspects, of mankind.

Whether or not science and religion are good/bad depends on how people practice them.

i meant overall , which is important ? science or religon ?

They're both important, overall. If you mean which is more important, then the answer depends on the things that you value.

As in, if you care for your health, comfort, luxury, convenience, then science seems more important. On the other hand, if you care what happens after death (ie your soul), ethics... etc then you'd think religion weights more. However, as I have said before, people can be morally motivated with or without religion.

it depends on the person. religion (yes, there's TWO i's in that word) is more important to some, and science is more important to others. mainly it depends on your upbringing.

you need a dictionary, my dear.

i can't choose just one.. they are both equally important.

I believe religion played an essential role in getting us to where we are today. However, I believe that many of the religions that exist today are outdated and have a detrimental effect on human development. Science, however, is still more-or-less beneficial.

Thus, I feel that science is generally more beneficial, and thus important, than religion in the present day. However, the creation of new, more up-to-date religions may change this in the future.

50/50. they're both good the same way.

yes thats true about science that it explains about the world and stuff.

religion is basically faith in my opinion.. well im christian.


i believe in science as long as it doesnt go beyond biblical scriptures. so they're both good 50/50.

So if we happen to chance upon a life altering science that goes beyond biblical scripture, then that science is bad? I don't really get it, can you explain?

well. what i mean by that is that i believe in the type of science that doesnt go too far that it somehow contradicts my beliefs, like the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory. I do believe in some sorts of science like technology.

darkphyre Posted on Dec 24 2004, 10:05 PM


well, its true what you said about the up-to-date .... Religon affected alot of people already tho .. ? its help people alot and protects others.

i think science is much more important. but why listen to me? im just an asian guy whos an athiest. ahahhaha.

tungtwista Posted on Dec 25 2004, 12:55 AM


lol, i'm expecting a reasonable answers

sounds like an opinion from the "asian guy whos atheist"

Explain.

So if there is science that could advance mankind that might contradict the Bible, then you would disagree with it?

I can't think of any kind of science right now only because I'm no scientist, nor do I possess a great imagination so I cannot say that such science exist. Though, people have said that cloning is playing God, so they are against it. So if you are against cloning because it's "playing God", do you think that it is bad science? How about stem cell research? Is that bad science, too?

Someone said that the religion isn't up-to-date. Let us be more specific and say that the Bible isn't up-to-date, after all it holds the archaic verse that women should be subservient to men.

There were many changes to the Bible since its inception. There were additions and shedding due to mistranslations.. etc. But all in all, the Bible hasn't changed drastically for centuries. Now then, science changes every year, every month, everyday even. I really don't see how anyone can think that science should be kept in check by the Bible, or rather, those who interpret the Bible.

The people who condemned Galileo consisted of quite a few who were many times more intelligent than you and I. Yet, through their insistence, science and knowledge suffered because they interpreted that the Bible states the earth was squared while Galileo discovered things that seemingly contradicted the Bible.

What if one day there is a science that is good or possibly good, but is condemned as bad because people interpreted that the Bible says it's bad. That is what happened with Galileo, so who's to say it won't happen again?

science is more believable and also, theres proof.

science doesn't incude text telling it's followers to kill others, to mistreat others, or otherwise declare themselves better.

religion however...

^ i don't think the bible does either. people just interpret it differently.

exactly. and some people dislike the koran saying it supports killing and terrorism to achieve their ends but that, too, also depends on how its interpreted.

darkphyre Posted on Dec 25 2004, 3:38 PM


okay, example if you belive in buddha, you must follow the eightful prophet. the eightful prophet contain eight useful infomation to be a better person and not to try to suffer more. one of the prophet saids " respect others ", then monk and buddism will also repect others but not all of buddism respect. it still helps out buddism. another example, one of the eightful prophet saids " be calm, dont be angry, or sad. " if your calm, you wont cuase alot of problems to people, if you get angry .. of course your gonna start causing more troubles. another example from the eightful prohpet .. " dont be nervous " .. becuase if your nervous, you cannot concertrate correctly and focus. It also affect you and what you do to other people

and etc ..is it enough reason ?



aznxdreamer Posted on Dec 25 2004, 4:42 PM


what about religons? do they do any good and help people ? does it make them them feel safer ?

People can read into the Bible whatever the want to. Its adaptability is what makes Christianity such a "popular" religion. It also means that it is open to extreme abuse.

Point 1: I don't get what you're saying, but that's probably because of your use of grammar/spelling.

Point 2: Is a false sense of safety better necessarily a good thing?

I think I get what you're saying. Religion helps people get through life by providing hope. Religion does do this, and it is very important. However, it is not necessary to belong to an organized religion to receive this help.

Furthermore, organized religion encourages "sheep." People follow the doctrines in which they believe mindlessly and don't question whether such patterns of belief and behaviour are still applicable in modern society. It is this "sheep" mentality that I believe makes religion more of a hindrance than a help.

like they say. you can never debate about religion and science. its too vast and complicated =\

Your grammar bothered me at first, but the fact that you didn't even get the Noble Eightfold Path right, and called it "eightful prophet", greatly overshadows my initial annoyance with your grammar.

If you're Buddhist, then I'm disappointed. If you're not Buddhist, please try to learn how to spell things correctly about the religion. It's hard, I know, but it's kind of disrepectful and people will get the wrong idea from what you say.

religion is basically belief in our ignorance

science is more important and needed, because all the research benefits our knowledge, and there is actual proof. religion is just beliefs.

You spelled religion wrong.

Well, I think both of them are important.
Scientists can have their own religion too.

Science.

Both cause violence. But overall Religion causes wars. For humans to advance as a whole we need science. Religion doesn't necessarily instill morals into us. Even the most un-religious person can see whats right and wrong. Religion just slows down the advancement of science. It's just my opinion.

Dear me...this is a tuffy. Here it goes.

Religion...It is really really important to me and I am very close with God. (please don't be offended )

Science...It depends on what type of science you mean. I think most of science is just bullshit. Ex. The whole "We evolved from monkeys" epidimic.

It all depends on what type of person you are. To me, religion is more important.

Science may explain to us how many things happen but it is leading us to loads of problems, like the stem cell research and such. Most of science is inhumane and the only way I agree with science is if it is stating facts, not some mythological bullshit.

To me,well uuh science is more important,considering the fact that i dont have a religion

1500th post,woot!!!

This is hard, no doubt about it. I think people who want a logical reason choose the scientific way because they want facts. With religion, it's all about faith

Well...if you want to get literal, then science is more important period. You can live with out religion, but you can't live with out science.

Science - The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

In other words, science is our ability to question and answer, to wonder and to keep wondering.

If we didn't have science we would be mindless drones. With out science, there would be no religion.

SCIENCE is Defintely more important than religion. Religious people that ignore science are ignorant, only trying to cling to old/outdated beliefs. My parents and grandparents are religious, but they believe in science.

I think scientific discoveries advance humans. Like we have been learning in AP Euro. People were extremely religious during medieval times, ppl lived in cespits w/ terrible lives, being worked like crazy just clinging on to hope that they will achive salvation someday after they die. Lives of the Europeans didn't get better until SCIENCE came along with Industrial Revolution and all the events after that, they lived a much better life w/ adequate food supplies and new opportunities.

It seemed wierd to me, how the serfs were willing to work for their lords w/out saying anything. I noticed that the only thing that kept them alive was the hope of salvation. Some ppl might say that it was good, and "helped" them. But that is wrong, because if they were smart they would have revolted. Instead of living the terrible lives they lead. That's why I think religion played a bad role, used by the lords use to keep the serfs down and control them.

If you and your family are in poverty, running out of food, dying. Praying won't help you. Smart ppl using science, finding new methods on agricultural production and ways to find food will keep you alive. No higher being is going to come down from "heaven" and feed you. Religion just help people become lazy and not do things for themselves.

You probably think, that I'm an evil person that hates religion or something. But I'm not, I'm buddist and I go to the temple often and I believe the saying that "No man in the trenches is atheist." But this does not mean that I think religion is more important then scientific discoveries. Religion has its place, thats true. But we would be nowhere w/out science. Probably only living to 60 before we die.

Also side note: I believe in evolution, and Charles Darwin's theory - Survival of the fiittest. Also evolution, is why Neanderthals were so ugly, humans get better looking as time progresses. (ignore plastic surgery - differnet topic)

[QUOTE] Denial is a very effective coping mechanism.

Right... As opposed to the well though-out, logical arguments of Creationists.

"The Earth is only 6,000 years old! All the radioactive dating data are LIES!!!" (<- that smilie should have a frown)

Was this supposed to be an insult?

^^ If you didn't really know... yes, yes, it was.

It was an insult to counter YOUR insult so it seems fair.






"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
-Einstein

that bullshit has already saved your life. it doesn't matter who you are. you're using a computer (from science), which means you are not shunning technology. which means, of course, that you have been saved multiple times by bullshit.

you might as well start worshipping bullshit, as it has saved your life just as much as god, if not more.

(yes, yes, sorry. i'm being harsh. but i just can't stand it when people say science is crap, or anything like that, and then sit there typing on their computer, and then when they get sick go to a doctors office, or ride in a car, or anything that science allows them to do.)

Yea! It's funny though that they call it crap and they USE IT... haha, shows how smart they are.

can0_reo Dec 28 2004, 7:55 PM





TRUE ! i never thought religon makes people lazier. i also never thought people rely to God that much. excellent explantion. i learn a couple of opinins from yours belives!

Is religion or science important? I think...they are both important. Without religion, we would've never gotten to where we are--little, if no morals, virtues, sense of what's right and wrong, and the like. In my opinion, we'd be in a lot of trouble if we were without those. People running amuck, killing what they wished, doing what they wanted--no sense of order. (Why would the government or police be any different if nothing taught them to be virtuous?)

Think back, far back in the Middle Ages...if there was no religion, people would have no purpose. Their only hope was to live as best they could (which was horribly at most) for a chance at salvation. Then, religion was their life. Religion that stated morality and what was right. The same religion that influences many of us today, consciously or not. What do they have to do with us, you ask? A seedling with weak roots cannot grow into a stable tree, can it?

Don't get me wrong, I love science--knowing why things work the way they do and applying that knowledge. Without science, we'd have no technology and that would be simply horrid, no? Imagine, no way of getting food (tools are a form or technology, more or less), less communication; life would be much more difficult. Diseases would wipe out entire continents, and I wouldn't be able to enjoy the special effects of my favorite movie. Science has many practical uses for the individual as well as the whole. It makes life more understandable, in a way.

They say...religion is cosmic purpose and science is cosmic order. Both are important in various ways, each with their pros and cons. To ask which is more important is somewhat like asking which is better, apples or oranges. They're two different things with different uses.

Some final words. All of the above is my opinion, my speculation. I'm neither a devoutly religious person nor a grounded scientist, but a bit of both. Everyone will most likely have their own ideas, stemming from their differing backgrounds and personality. I do not intend to force these thoughts onto you, but humbly ask you to consider it all--consider with an open mind. (I didn't elaborate much on science, seeing how many other posts defend it already.) As for the overlapping beliefs, I believe them both. Perhaps they connect somehow, someway. Flame me, if you will--everyone does.

I like that idea, but what about those without religion? Do we not have purpose?

Oranges are better.

Religion = false hope, set of guides to live life, by the government. For us to OBEY! lol.
Science is still better.






[QUOTE] "realization that, to put it as mildly as possible, millions of English men, women, and children were living in shit." - My history book

*blinks* I guess you'll just have to find some other purpose... (or just live life to the fullest?) o.o; But still, you have morals and such, no? Those were most likely formed through religion.

As for the false hope thing.... Are you sure? There are people out there who truly do believe in a heaven and the other place or reincarnation and such. And um, I think you've got that government part mixed up with laws. Perhaps our government was formed with some influence from religion, but religion is not wholly our government. It came with that separation of Church and State thing, if I recall correctly.

One last thing. Religion and science are two different things. With different variables. Different uses. Different aims. Too many things that vary. If we take out the foundation of our values, what would happen? If we never "got smarter" and make tools, where would we be? Religion reigned then, science now. Past and present. (Not that religion isn't still here, I just find it...not what it once was?)

All I'm trying to say is, if you're trying to find one definite answer. One certain, no opposition, crushing answer...I don't think there's one. (Seeing it varies per person) Perhaps for someone whose life isn't all that great, religion is more important. Maybe for a practical person, it's science. (Now, in no way am I saying all or only these people are like that.) As for me, I like both science and religion. Perhaps science a bit more, but...I can't ignore religion.

I'd have agreed with oranges too. ^.^ But that's just me.

I don't think that you can say one is more important than the other. Religion and science depend on each other, even if it's only a little bit.

I'm not very religious, to be honest...I participate in all the religious festivals, but I've began to just doubt religion, mostly because my life hasn't been too great. So, I don't think that people who think religion is more important have not-so-great lives.

I'm more practical...science is definitely important.
I've read Angels and Demons...I dunno how much is true, but it makes so much sense to me that maybe energy is God. After all...isn't God who created the world? So, according to science, energy was involved in the creation of the universe.
If any of that is true...then science and religion can't be thought of as two completely different things. They're both important.


Exactly! But...I like oranges. ^_^ I love orange juice, too....

Religion isn't false hope--it's given hope to so many people, and it has saved lives in its own ways.

I couldn't answer this...I'd say science, but without religion, science can come to destroy morals. We don't really think twice when we find something bigger, faster, and smarter, do we?

No but the whole a greater being created everything is much more plausible right? At this point with the fact being proven that micro evolution exists the idea that macro evolution could have occured is much more plausible than the fact that a greater being created the universe. I think somebody touched on it earlier but without science we probably wouldnt be here right now. If you didnt recieve all the vaccinations you did as a baby you could have easily died from a diease that was basically stopped ages ago. Science has virtually eliminated diseases such as the black plague and polio. How would you like having polio right now. You very well could be if science as you so put is bullshit. How do you think you get the food you eat? Over the years farmer and scientists have been able to develop techniques that help purify the food you eat, help develop new techniques of finding food, and even new techniques of how to prepare it. Science helps prepare the world for emergencies that could happen. You know how many people are saved a year from meteorologists, geologists, seismologists and etc when they predict natural disasters.

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Oh, I'm fully aware of my own purpose in life and I have strong values and ethics, however, they did not resulted from any one specified religion. But I digress.

What about those who lived before religion. Did they not have purpose? My question was intended to expand the idea of what "they say" about religion being a cosmic purpose. Do you think religion begets morality?

I dissagree on that too. To some ppl morality can depend on their religion. But ppl w/out a religion can definitly be moral. And there are millions of ppl that DO have a religion that are NOT moral. If you compare a kid that goes to church every weekend w/ a kid thats never been to church. It doesn't mean that the kid that goes to church will turn out more moral. (usually when a kid is forced to go to church) It comes from w/in. Its like "you can take the girl out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the girl."

I agree w/ comeupon, 100%.


I still think it is false hope. I never said it didn't give ppl hope. And true - life isn't good w/out hope. But the hope is fake. God isn't going to come and save your life if you are broke and living on the streets. Then all of a sudden become rich again. You have to do that yourself. And trust yourself. - be smart. You can't depend on the guy up there all the time.

No. It was supposed to point out that you don't know what you're talking about.

science vs. religion. HAHA great topic.

okay... well since religion is always right. (that's what i was taught at chuch) i think, religion is better!