QUOTE(NoSex @ Jan 29 2009, 11:05 PM)
it went to hell for being a very very bad person (i.e. not believing what everyone else believes).
i'm not entirely sure what this thread is for, because... for any educated or marginally intelligent & capable individual, science is a clear win. where science can produce predictable, repeatable, & useful results, religion can do none of these, unless of course you decide that your prediction (let's call it a "prophecy") is that prayer doesn't work & spiritual experience is the neurological equivalent to an epileptic seizure in your limbic system. let's see, with science, we can send a man to the moon, cure polio, tear apart an atom, and make moving pictures... with religion... we can... uhmm? any help?
in either case, science is an explanatory power. the results of science can be clearly & detailedly explained in the pursuit of spreading awareness & legitimate understanding; it is not terribly obscure. religion, on the other hand, is exceedingly metaphysical & linguistically meaningless. it proposes things which not only could not be empirically demonstrated, but also fail any sort of logical or linguistic coherence. the idea of a "god" that "exists" as an "omnipotent, omniscient, omni-present, all-merciful, all-just, and bot the 'begging & the end'" is so obscure & abstract that it might as well be rendered entirely meaningless. even further, the same god creating vomit, cancer, aids, poop, and rainbows is just laughable. further, through the power of the sciences (both social & natural) we have been able to begin to explain an enormous array of things, from human behavior, the history of civilization, and the expanse of the universe... and all things point to a secular universe. all evidence that is available to man goes against a spiritual model & towards a nihilistic, accidental universe.
SCIENCE IS POWER & RELIGION IS ADMITTED & CELEBRATED IGNORANCE.
but, best of all... science doesn't propose anything sweeping & metaphysical concerning the "fundamental fabric" of the cosmos... so, the burden of proof sits on the lap of religion... despite that, world-religions have still seemed to prefer the brainwashing & intellectual rape of CHILDREN above all other forms of discourse & conversion. GET EM' WHEN THEY'RE YOUNG, huh? whatever.
if you have something to PROVE, prove it... that's what science is about. then we can argue it... otherwise, grow the f*ck up.
Nate, to a certain extent, I agree. I believe science should be able to "produce predictable, repeatable, & useful results."
However, while you may argue that science is power and religion is "ignorance," I will say that religion can teach what science cannot; morals, values, ethics, and preservation of "self". I believe science and religion should go hand in hand. And believe if they were to go through hand in hand, we could have many years of scientific prosperity. (i.e Enlightenment Period)
Many will argue that Christians prohibit and stunt the growth of science, however, I don't believe the ones who are holding picket signs are the ones who are really representing the Kingdom of God.