Three simple questions:
Question 1: Do you believe that it is likely that the universe was created by an advanced (omnipotent?) being?
Question 2: If you answered "yes" to Question 1, do you believe that it is likely that said advanced being was created by an even more advanced being?
Questions 3: If you answered "no" to Question 2, why are your answers to Questions 1 and 2 different?
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may i add a question to the lists of your questions? 
i want to add:
does that sounds more fair?
cause i think you should give evidence to yes/no. not only no.
i want to add:
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Questions 4: Why did you put #1 with the same answer?
does that sounds more fair?
cause i think you should give evidence to yes/no. not only no.
That's not really relevent to what I am trying to discuss. If your answers are consistent (yes/yes, no/no) then there is no logical fault.
Yes/yes 
question one: no
QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 23 2004, 9:26 PM)
Yes/yes
AH! I didn't read the question correctly. Yes/no. Sorry about that
Its iffy... 
So I'm unsure.
So I'm unsure.
all no for me =\
QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 23 2004, 9:42 PM)
AH! I didn't read the question correctly. Yes/no. Sorry about that
You forgot to answer Question 3.
QUOTE(darkphyre @ Dec 24 2004, 2:26 PM)
You forgot to answer Question 3.
Becuase God is the almighty, and nothing can compare. I think he created the universe and everything in it, but noone created him. I am kind of iffy about it but I try and keep my hope in it....It is confusing if you think aobut it though...
yes/yes
i think human are getting more advancer becuase we are gona discover aliens ..
during before crissis, i think alien shipped off human becuase they think have too much creatures or maybe they need to get rid ofthe clone creatures .. we dunno
i think its happening over and over again .. human already know how to clone and maybe they are gona shipped off humans in another planet.
i think human are getting more advancer becuase we are gona discover aliens ..
during before crissis, i think alien shipped off human becuase they think have too much creatures or maybe they need to get rid ofthe clone creatures .. we dunno
i think its happening over and over again .. human already know how to clone and maybe they are gona shipped off humans in another planet.
QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 24 2004, 2:38 PM)
Becuase God is the almighty, and nothing can compare. I think he created the universe and everything in it, but noone created him. I am kind of iffy about it but I try and keep my hope in it....It is confusing if you think aobut it though...
My question to you, then, is why do you see it as necessary that the universe have a creator, but not that God has a creator.
To simplify, many people argue that God must exist because something must have created the universe, and this suggests the existence of a god-like being. However, if we require that everything (ie. the universe) have a creator, then why do we discard the logical conclusion that God must also have a creator?
To simplify even more:
1) Everything must have a cause.
2) God is likely the cuase of the universe.
3) God must have been created by something.
If 1) is true, 2) is likely true. However, if 1) and 2) are both true, than 3) must also be true. If 1) is false, then 2) and 3) are likely false.
Thus, the most likely situations, logically, are:
1) God exists and has a creator, or
2) God doesn't exist.
i say to those questions that it's impossible to know, and even if we did know, what would it matter?
the universe it so interesting and so... amazing just to learn about it.
it's amazing how we have other universes we've never seen and maybe living creatures that we call "aliens"
=] I want to know so much more about this, but in science, we learned all that we can.
P.S.
If God exsists, yes he does have a creator. But then, who created the mighty God?
And then who created the person who created God? And so on..
it's amazing how we have other universes we've never seen and maybe living creatures that we call "aliens"
=] I want to know so much more about this, but in science, we learned all that we can.
P.S.
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My question to you, then, is why do you see it as necessary that the universe have a creator, but not that God has a creator.
To simplify, many people argue that God must exist because something must have created the universe, and this suggests the existence of a god-like being. However, if we require that everything (ie. the universe) have a creator, then why do we discard the logical conclusion that God must also have a creator?
To simplify even more:
1) Everything must have a cause.
2) God is likely the cuase of the universe.
3) God must have been created by something.
If 1) is true, 2) is likely true. However, if 1) and 2) are both true, than 3) must also be true. If 1) is false, then 2) and 3) are likely false.
Thus, the most likely situations, logically, are:
1) God exists and has a creator, or
2) God doesn't exist.
To simplify, many people argue that God must exist because something must have created the universe, and this suggests the existence of a god-like being. However, if we require that everything (ie. the universe) have a creator, then why do we discard the logical conclusion that God must also have a creator?
To simplify even more:
1) Everything must have a cause.
2) God is likely the cuase of the universe.
3) God must have been created by something.
If 1) is true, 2) is likely true. However, if 1) and 2) are both true, than 3) must also be true. If 1) is false, then 2) and 3) are likely false.
Thus, the most likely situations, logically, are:
1) God exists and has a creator, or
2) God doesn't exist.
If God exsists, yes he does have a creator. But then, who created the mighty God?
And then who created the person who created God? And so on..
yes
no
If that being is omnipotent, why would it have its own creator??
no
If that being is omnipotent, why would it have its own creator??
QUOTE(Spiritedfreak @ Dec 26 2004, 6:10 PM)
If God exsists, yes he does have a creator. But then, who created the mighty God?
And then who created the person who created God? And so on..
And then who created the person who created God? And so on..
Exactly. That's one of the reasons I don't believe in a god.
QUOTE(darkphyre @ Dec 24 2004, 10:12 PM)
My question to you, then, is why do you see it as necessary that the universe have a creator, but not that God has a creator.
To simplify, many people argue that God must exist because something must have created the universe, and this suggests the existence of a god-like being. However, if we require that everything (ie. the universe) have a creator, then why do we discard the logical conclusion that God must also have a creator?
To simplify even more:
1) Everything must have a cause.
2) God is likely the cuase of the universe.
3) God must have been created by something.
If 1) is true, 2) is likely true. However, if 1) and 2) are both true, than 3) must also be true. If 1) is false, then 2) and 3) are likely false.
Thus, the most likely situations, logically, are:
1) God exists and has a creator, or
2) God doesn't exist.
To simplify, many people argue that God must exist because something must have created the universe, and this suggests the existence of a god-like being. However, if we require that everything (ie. the universe) have a creator, then why do we discard the logical conclusion that God must also have a creator?
To simplify even more:
1) Everything must have a cause.
2) God is likely the cuase of the universe.
3) God must have been created by something.
If 1) is true, 2) is likely true. However, if 1) and 2) are both true, than 3) must also be true. If 1) is false, then 2) and 3) are likely false.
Thus, the most likely situations, logically, are:
1) God exists and has a creator, or
2) God doesn't exist.
Let me ask YOU this.
If God had a creator, then who would have created his creator? And who would have created him? And who him? So on and so forth.
I find it necessary to believe that God created the universe because that is what I have been brought up to believe. You don't HAVE to have an explenation for this because he is one very confusing spirit. I believe in him, I believe what I have been taught, and don't tell me otherwise.
Not everything has to have an explanation. We all have to believe in something, now don't we?
QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 27 2004, 1:21 PM)
Let me ask YOU this.
If God had a creator, then who would have created his creator? And who would have created him? And who him? So on and so forth.
If God had a creator, then who would have created his creator? And who would have created him? And who him? So on and so forth.
That question doesn't help your argument. It's actually the idea I was elaborating on. How can we say that there is an absolute creator, since one of the major arguments that supporters of that idea use is that everything (ie. the universe) must have a cause.
As for your beliefs, I am simply encouraging people to question them and investigate how logical they really are.
QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Dec 27 2004, 1:21 PM)
Let me ask YOU this.
If God had a creator, then who would have created his creator? And who would have created him? And who him? So on and so forth.
If God had a creator, then who would have created his creator? And who would have created him? And who him? So on and so forth.
Like darkphyre said, this doesn't really help your point as it was his/her intent for you to question the absolute power of your God in the first place.
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Not everything has to have an explanation. We all have to believe in something, now don't we?
Not everything needs explanation for its existence, but for something that someone believes so much in... shouldn't there be an explanation as to why it has the power to draw your faith, your loyalty? And shouldn't that explanation be in full instead of so unclear? After all, absolute power is clear and understood, why shouldn't the explanation as to HOW or WHY that power has acquired is clear.
Darkphyre, I believe in a Creator, a God, if you will. My logic for it is simple: we are creations, therefore we have a Creator. Perhaps, there are several Creators? I'm opened to suggestions on that one as there are possibilities to almost everything in life and, perhaps if it exists, the beyond. Do you find fault in such logic? I'm interested in your critique.
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