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Full Version: im not racist...
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FYI, the KKK clan was not the only racist group either...
oh so they just hung black pplz and jews for no reason. right...
QUOTE(mizz_mithy @ Aug 7 2004, 5:40 PM)
oh so they just hung black pplz and jews for no reason. right...
uhm, i think they meant that the KKK is not the only racist group out there.... that there are other groups that are racist towards others???.......
QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 7 2004, 5:18 PM)
erm..i bet i'd have an easier time finding an ancestor of mine that was enslaved than you would 
and my mom is 100% nigerian(african country) and my dad is 50% nigerian..and where did they get the slaves from?
and my mom is 100% nigerian(african country) and my dad is 50% nigerian..and where did they get the slaves from?
The "Slave Coast" where they got most of the slave sdoesn't extend all the way to Nigeria. Sorry. It's more of a Senegal to Ghana thing.
I totally understand why Blacks would feel discriminated in some situations, but feeling it and experiencing it are two different things. The kids that I work with just use it as an excuse most of the time, even when the sentence "it's because I'm Black" has nothing to do with it.
Yes, Africans were enslaved, but other races such as the Chinese were discriminated and looked down on as well when they were working the railroads, and Japanese Americans were "jailed" after Pearl Harbor because Americans were too suspcicious and spiteful after what happened even thought it wasn't their fault. Sure, African Americans suffered many injustices, and I'm not going to justify something unjustifiable, but using that as an excuse in contemporary time is... out of date, and overused.
The White man doesn't discriminate only Blacks, when he discriminates, he would discriminate Hispanics, Asians, and Mid Easterns as well. And when Blacks/Asians/Hispanics discriminate, they discriminate other races as well.
Trust me when I say that discrimination works BOTH ways. So, Blacks are not the only ones on the receiving end.
Yes, Africans were enslaved, but other races such as the Chinese were discriminated and looked down on as well when they were working the railroads, and Japanese Americans were "jailed" after Pearl Harbor because Americans were too suspcicious and spiteful after what happened even thought it wasn't their fault. Sure, African Americans suffered many injustices, and I'm not going to justify something unjustifiable, but using that as an excuse in contemporary time is... out of date, and overused.
The White man doesn't discriminate only Blacks, when he discriminates, he would discriminate Hispanics, Asians, and Mid Easterns as well. And when Blacks/Asians/Hispanics discriminate, they discriminate other races as well.
Trust me when I say that discrimination works BOTH ways. So, Blacks are not the only ones on the receiving end.
A Brief History Lesson:
Most African-Americans have been in America longer than White Americans.
We don't go up to someone and call him an "Italian-American" unless he was actually born in Italy. Similarly, there is no reason we should refer to blacks as "African-Americans" unless they were acutally borin in Africa. They are Americans just like the rest of us -- no more, no less, no hyphen.
Most African-Americans have been in America longer than White Americans.
We don't go up to someone and call him an "Italian-American" unless he was actually born in Italy. Similarly, there is no reason we should refer to blacks as "African-Americans" unless they were acutally borin in Africa. They are Americans just like the rest of us -- no more, no less, no hyphen.
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 7 2004, 6:04 PM)
A Brief History Lesson:
Most African-Americans have been in America longer than White Americans.
We don't go up to someone and call him an "Italian-American" unless he was actually born in Italy. Similarly, there is no reason we should refer to blacks as "African-Americans" unless they were acutally borin in Africa. They are Americans just like the rest of us -- no more, no less, no hyphen.
Most African-Americans have been in America longer than White Americans.
We don't go up to someone and call him an "Italian-American" unless he was actually born in Italy. Similarly, there is no reason we should refer to blacks as "African-Americans" unless they were acutally borin in Africa. They are Americans just like the rest of us -- no more, no less, no hyphen.
^^ I see, but how do you know if they're not directly from Africa
? And does this work the same way with Hispanics or Asians... etc?
QUOTE(JlIaTMK @ Aug 6 2004, 9:35 PM)
for example.... theres this one thing in america that if ur black or mexican.... u get an extra point on ur sat per question....
That pissed me off too, I hope you were kidding also. And if the blacks or Mexicans get higher points it's because they are intelligent people. At least we know how to spell the word 'hire' unlike you.
Actually, no. Blacks and Hispanics on average do much WORSE than whites and Asians on the SATs ... even with the point advantage.
However, they are accepted to top schools at a much Higher rate. Dartmouth College, one of hte Ivy League Eight, accepts 55% -- that is over HALF of all African-American students who apply, compared to just 15% of white students, who are, on average, applying with higher grades and test scores, as well as more activity involvement.
However, they are accepted to top schools at a much Higher rate. Dartmouth College, one of hte Ivy League Eight, accepts 55% -- that is over HALF of all African-American students who apply, compared to just 15% of white students, who are, on average, applying with higher grades and test scores, as well as more activity involvement.
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uhm, i think they meant that the KKK is not the only racist group out there.... that there are other groups that are racist towards others???.......
oppz i'll admitt i was wrong on that one.
QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 7 2004, 4:18 PM)
that's nice.
but that doesn't mean just because you're black or hispanic you're going to do worse on a SAT
but that doesn't mean just because you're black or hispanic you're going to do worse on a SAT
Exactly. Race has nothing to do with your intelligence. You were born into it as it was stated before.
QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 7 2004, 6:18 PM)
that's nice.
but that doesn't mean just because you're black or hispanic you're going to do worse on a SAT
but that doesn't mean just because you're black or hispanic you're going to do worse on a SAT
first of all..... no double posting...
i think he knows that just because you're black or hispanic that means you're going to do worse... it was kind of like those... statistics or whatever...
QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ Aug 7 2004, 10:44 AM)
I think this should be in debate
yes i totally agree with you. TOTALLY. and also, seriously. an eye for an eye never works out now does it? that's what you're trying to achieve. i think, just because of what blacks went through, they think their definition of racism is somehow stricter than whites. well you know what, it ISNT. if you think one thing is racist, you can't just go around doing the same thing to whites. blacks arent the only people that were treated poorly in this country. not only that, they weren't the only people who were enslaved. Have you ever heard of shanghaing? that was big where i lived, in portland. back in the 1800s, people would go into bars, and slip drugs into unsuspecting people's drinks. when they passed out, they'd take the person through a tunnel behind the bar out to the dock on the columbia river, and proceed to ship them over to foriegn countries to work as slaves. and honey, these people were white. But you don't see them running around flipping out because their own kind enslaved them. you don't see us doing that. a lot of the blacks in this country weren't even related to a slave. most of you aren't even suffering from what happened more than a hundred and fourty years ago. you could argue that, because of slavery, blacks have no opportunies blah blah blah BULLSH!T. there's a such thing as the "Hope Scholarship" over here in Georgia, where anyone who has a GPA of above 3.0 can go to any public college they want in this state, all expenses paid. Still, the percentage of blacks actually attending college is low. So seriously, don't blame us. Also, I think we whites put up with a hell of a lot from blacks, given that if we would do the same to them, we'd be called racist.
For example: I had a black friend named Xavier. Every single time we'd critisize him, he'd respond with "It's because I'm black, ISNT IT." So one day at lunch, he looked at this girl named Danielle (who was black,) and was like "I really don't like her. She's so damn annoying and she thinks people actually care about what she has to say." So I simply said "It's because she's black, ISNT IT." Do you know what happened? He was extremely offended.
Now why is this? Blacks just feel entitled to make fun of whoever they come across, if they happen to be white. White guys cant rap, white girls can't dance. According to them. But if you see a black man trying to learn the flute, which is not only a usually not black thing to do, but also a female thing to do, you don't see people giving him a hard time. Employers always have issues firing their employees if the employee happens to be black and the employer, white, for fear of being called RACIST. But the other way around, and there's never a problem. Either blacks need to CHILL OUT, or whites need to stop taking **** from blacks. Blacks have gone through a lot, yes. But they need to understand that with their struggles and hardships, even at the time, much of the united states and our country of whites DIDNT support what was happening to them.
So if you want equality like you said you all do, maybe you should treat whites equally as well. There are some hardcore southern racists who don't treat blacks well, but other than that, I have not met or seen anyone who ever treated a black person the wrong way. I only take in the fact that the person is black, same as I would say She's asian or She's Indian. But when you start making sure everyone saw the difference between the two races and when you want everything to be segregated in thought, that's when you start contradicting the "equality" you want.
yes i totally agree with you. TOTALLY. and also, seriously. an eye for an eye never works out now does it? that's what you're trying to achieve. i think, just because of what blacks went through, they think their definition of racism is somehow stricter than whites. well you know what, it ISNT. if you think one thing is racist, you can't just go around doing the same thing to whites. blacks arent the only people that were treated poorly in this country. not only that, they weren't the only people who were enslaved. Have you ever heard of shanghaing? that was big where i lived, in portland. back in the 1800s, people would go into bars, and slip drugs into unsuspecting people's drinks. when they passed out, they'd take the person through a tunnel behind the bar out to the dock on the columbia river, and proceed to ship them over to foriegn countries to work as slaves. and honey, these people were white. But you don't see them running around flipping out because their own kind enslaved them. you don't see us doing that. a lot of the blacks in this country weren't even related to a slave. most of you aren't even suffering from what happened more than a hundred and fourty years ago. you could argue that, because of slavery, blacks have no opportunies blah blah blah BULLSH!T. there's a such thing as the "Hope Scholarship" over here in Georgia, where anyone who has a GPA of above 3.0 can go to any public college they want in this state, all expenses paid. Still, the percentage of blacks actually attending college is low. So seriously, don't blame us. Also, I think we whites put up with a hell of a lot from blacks, given that if we would do the same to them, we'd be called racist.
For example: I had a black friend named Xavier. Every single time we'd critisize him, he'd respond with "It's because I'm black, ISNT IT." So one day at lunch, he looked at this girl named Danielle (who was black,) and was like "I really don't like her. She's so damn annoying and she thinks people actually care about what she has to say." So I simply said "It's because she's black, ISNT IT." Do you know what happened? He was extremely offended.
Now why is this? Blacks just feel entitled to make fun of whoever they come across, if they happen to be white. White guys cant rap, white girls can't dance. According to them. But if you see a black man trying to learn the flute, which is not only a usually not black thing to do, but also a female thing to do, you don't see people giving him a hard time. Employers always have issues firing their employees if the employee happens to be black and the employer, white, for fear of being called RACIST. But the other way around, and there's never a problem. Either blacks need to CHILL OUT, or whites need to stop taking **** from blacks. Blacks have gone through a lot, yes. But they need to understand that with their struggles and hardships, even at the time, much of the united states and our country of whites DIDNT support what was happening to them.
So if you want equality like you said you all do, maybe you should treat whites equally as well. There are some hardcore southern racists who don't treat blacks well, but other than that, I have not met or seen anyone who ever treated a black person the wrong way. I only take in the fact that the person is black, same as I would say She's asian or She's Indian. But when you start making sure everyone saw the difference between the two races and when you want everything to be segregated in thought, that's when you start contradicting the "equality" you want.
TBoltzbabe: i totally agree with everything youve said
what everyones said is true blacks wernt the only people enslaved sure maybe the us focuses on the period around the civil war and automatically thinks of that when they hear the word slavery but the should.... plenty of white slaves were around wayy before the civil war. for example when colonists came here they had slaves who were white
heres a page all about white slaves in the us
QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 7 2004, 6:36 PM)
no one said black ppl were the only ones that were enslaved 
i heard that some asians were enslaved..
but this topic is about black and white ppl
i heard that some asians were enslaved..
but this topic is about black and white ppl
yea but ur sure as hell acting like blacks were the only ones enslaved
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hey? maybe it's because we black people didn't enslave white people and then treat them like shyt after slavery was over..
maybe it's because in the 2000 election black ppl didn't disenfranchise white votes
i can't believe u have the nerve to use the word nigger
maybe it's because in the 2000 election black ppl didn't disenfranchise white votes
i can't believe u have the nerve to use the word nigger
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you know what's funny?
you'd think you were a jackass if you were black.
of course it's easy to forgive and forget.
especially when your ancestors weren't the ones that were enslaved.
you'd think you were a jackass if you were black.
of course it's easy to forgive and forget.
especially when your ancestors weren't the ones that were enslaved.
uh yea they were?
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i'd have a better chance finding an enslaved ancestor than she would.
from what i understand shes greek and thats in europe and idk if its just me but europe had tons of slavery even before the civil war era slavery happened
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but this topic is about black and white ppl
Since when?
And who said Asians are enslaved?
QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 7 2004, 6:20 PM)
still.
i'd have a better chance finding an enslaved ancestor than she would.
i'd have a better chance finding an enslaved ancestor than she would.
Most Europeans were enslaved at some point or another.
The percentage of the Roman Empier composed of slaves was much higher than the percentage of the American South so composed.
QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 7 2004, 6:51 PM)
^^ uh read the 1st post
maybe you should re-read the 1st post...
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i don't get it when people say 'PROUD AND BLACK/-insert race here-".
it's just a skin color! why be proud of a skin color?
yuo're race is not something you work for or earn, you are born into it. you can't help it. what's there to be proud of there?
it's just a skin color! why be proud of a skin color?
yuo're race is not something you work for or earn, you are born into it. you can't help it. what's there to be proud of there?
it just turned into a whites/blacks topic... with the whole slavery issue and why its okay to make fun of white people... but not the other way around...
QUOTE(airam @ Aug 7 2004, 11:59 AM)
some black people say "nigger" like as a joke.
you know some people say things like, 'she's MY bitch!" (sh...bad example)
i guess it's a joke.
you know some people say things like, 'she's MY bitch!" (sh...bad example)
i guess it's a joke.
Okay they say it as a joke. But if a white person would say it as a joke, everyone would flip out.
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A while ago, the successful businesswoman Darla Moore got on the cover of Fortune Magazine under the title "The Toughest Babe in Business". Many women are angered at this and sent letters into fortune. To this, Darla Moore wrote a response which basically said that women who were complaining about the use of "Babe" would never get on the cover of fortune -- because they are too busy focusing on semantics and not on REAL issues.
Similarly, when groups like the NAACP insist on political correctness and try to put a taboo on words like "Nigger" all they are doing is not letting the real issues at hand be debated. This kind of thing is harmful to everyone -- blacks, whites, and all other races as well.
Have any of you ever read 1984? The way in which Big Brother controls people is through LANGUAGE -- Newspeak. The way I see it, Newspeak and Political Correctness are exactly the same thing. And both are extremely dangerous.
Similarly, when groups like the NAACP insist on political correctness and try to put a taboo on words like "Nigger" all they are doing is not letting the real issues at hand be debated. This kind of thing is harmful to everyone -- blacks, whites, and all other races as well.
Have any of you ever read 1984? The way in which Big Brother controls people is through LANGUAGE -- Newspeak. The way I see it, Newspeak and Political Correctness are exactly the same thing. And both are extremely dangerous.
QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 7 2004, 7:39 PM)
ehh..i never said it was okay to make fun of white ppl..
i was just saying why SOME black ppl can make "racist jokes" against white ppl..
and plz don't go back and pull up something i said yesterday..that's really lame..i know that i've been more open minded to what ppl were saying here than i was yesterday
i was just saying why SOME black ppl can make "racist jokes" against white ppl..
and plz don't go back and pull up something i said yesterday..that's really lame..i know that i've been more open minded to what ppl were saying here than i was yesterday
uhhh... i never said that you said that it was okay....
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nevermind the topic title...
anyway.
it's okay to be racist...if you're doing it to a white person.
why is 'nigger' more offenstive than 'wigger' or 'cracker'?
have you noticed those 'black shows' show white people as very dumb and stupid. what if it was the other way around? you would have 476583x33 people saying the show is racist.
anyway.
it's okay to be racist...if you're doing it to a white person.
why is 'nigger' more offenstive than 'wigger' or 'cracker'?
have you noticed those 'black shows' show white people as very dumb and stupid. what if it was the other way around? you would have 476583x33 people saying the show is racist.
that's what I was talking about... and what are you talking about pulling something up from yesterday???
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i'll call someone an african america the day i get call a 'middle eastren american"
wtf? your screwed
you know, a lot of times, people thinks asians are racist againest people not there color and that's probally true. but i don't believe that at all. people shouldn't jujde people on what they are born with. even though some people can be really harsh about this subject, it's very complicated let's just say that.
It's racist to say that all people of a certain race are racist.
racism is bad,it should end. easily said but not easily done rite.
"Racism is bad." Brilliant conclusion, Mr. Holmes.
werd, if everyone thought like you itd be nice 
no, cus you sure don't want to think like me. you'd go insane.
QUOTE(inlonelinessidie @ Aug 7 2004, 7:07 PM)
That pissed me off too, I hope you were kidding also. And if the blacks or Mexicans get higher points it's because they are intelligent people. At least we know how to spell the word 'hire' unlike you.
yeah ur kinda rude....
and its not because of that....
i found this out in another post....
and ummm ur steriotyping all blacks and saying they all have proper grammer.... when i dont think every single black person on this earth has proper grammer....
oh and its been a proven fact that some time or another.... at least one of our ancestors has been a slave
personalli i agree wit brown sugar.. of course its not right for white folk 2 call black folk niggers when thats derogatory towards them cause of the slave thing..but its different for blak ppl 2 call blak ppl niggers cause theyre blak! duh..dunno how hard it is 2 understand that. and nigger isnt as offensive as wigger and cracker because black people didnt use it as a term meanin "stupid white person. we dint enslave u and call u that. and the term cracker was originally meant to describe a poor white person. white people call people crackers. and if you havent noticed thorughout history, white people have been racist towards all races..they dont like anybody! not the indians, not the blacks, not the mexicans, not the asians, not the middle-easterns, they juss dont! and i mean yea slavery was a thing of the past but racisms still goin on today..i was takin a walk the other day and some white kids threw an egg at me for no reason at all..i was mindin my own business lisenin 2 kanye west on my cd player and out of nowhere SPLAT! it hurt like friggin crap and the force of the egg hittin me made it break and it cut me and i started bleedin.. and the now you tell me that i have no reason to be mad towards white folk..yea its not all white folk but theres still that select bunch..crimes are commited against blacks ALL the friggin time. police beatin em 4 no reason at all and such. this one lady i know..her son was walking outside the apartment talking on his cell phone and this white cop shot him. now the cop claimed that he thought the cell phone was a gun and he shot for his own protection. but i dont think he needed 13 bullets in the boys chest to make him put down the weapon. and just bcuz we're black some people automatically think we're dumber than you white folk and we're automatically placed as "ghetto" and all dat crap. but no not all of us are. and if you guys who are talking were black then you'd understand where we're comin from. and its not right 4 blacks to make racist jokes against white people but most of the stuff has to do with history and stuff. i guess only black people and some white people can understand how much we've been through. and of course dats gonna make us hecka mad i mean c'mon..all you white people werent enslaved and the black form of "racist jokes and racism" and what not arent as severe as compared to that of white ppl. we dont hang and lynch you people for fun. we dont do that type of stuff for kicks. thats just sick. and we're not saying all white people are racist but a lot of em juss dont like black folk 
wow i wrote alot haha...but im not racist or anything..i mean half of my friends are white and even my best friend is white..and yea i do that "its cuz im blak" thing sometimes but thats juss 2 my friends and im juss jokin wit em and i make sure they kno that. 
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i agreee... everyone learned to forgive and forget MANY things about the past.... not only slavery but other things as well.... such as, pearl harbor and the bombing of hiromshima... we don't see the U.S. hating on the Japanese people... or vice versa... the philippines should also hate Japanese people because of the Bataan Death March.... (I think that's what it's called).... but we don't... a lot of filipinos even live in japan... the past is the past.... get over it.... we're not the same people that did those horrible things...
I agree with kandi-chan and brownsugar and mizz_mithy. they know what they're talking about. when black people or mexicans walk into the swap meet or any place like that, the asian owners automatically tihnk youre gonna steal sumthin. and they stare at you and stuff.
another example.. me and like 4 black people and my one white friend were walking down the street and some white person drove up in a car and called us (excludin my white friend) niggers. we are discriminated against all the time. my ancestors are from south america and even WE were slaves. so not all slaves were from africa but the majority were.
white people should not be saying nigger because it was not a good word for them to say to begin with. black people use the word nigger because its a word they use to talk to each other since we were slaves and thats what we know. and did any of the white people ever call each other crackers because they were in oppression or something? i dont think so! you dont see teh white people gettin beat or hung or having to pick cotton!
stop w/ the history lessons cuz we black people know our history. we go to school!
QUOTE(Chlorie @ Aug 8 2004, 2:09 AM)
I agree with kandi-chan and brownsugar and mizz_mithy. they know what they're talking about. when black people or mexicans walk into the swap meet or any place like that, the asian owners automatically tihnk youre gonna steal sumthin. and they stare at you and stuff.
another example.. me and like 4 black people and my one white friend were walking down the street and some white person drove up in a car and called us (excludin my white friend) niggers. we are discriminated against all the time. my ancestors are from south america and even WE were slaves. so not all slaves were from africa but the majority were.
white people should not be saying nigger because it was not a good word for them to say to begin with. black people use the word nigger because its a word they use to talk to each other since we were slaves and thats what we know. and did any of the white people ever call each other crackers because they were in oppression or something? i dont think so! you dont see teh white people gettin beat or hung or having to pick cotton!
stop w/ the history lessons cuz we black people know our history. we go to school!
another example.. me and like 4 black people and my one white friend were walking down the street and some white person drove up in a car and called us (excludin my white friend) niggers. we are discriminated against all the time. my ancestors are from south america and even WE were slaves. so not all slaves were from africa but the majority were.
white people should not be saying nigger because it was not a good word for them to say to begin with. black people use the word nigger because its a word they use to talk to each other since we were slaves and thats what we know. and did any of the white people ever call each other crackers because they were in oppression or something? i dont think so! you dont see teh white people gettin beat or hung or having to pick cotton!
stop w/ the history lessons cuz we black people know our history. we go to school!
first of all....
kandi-chan: don't double post...
READ THE RULES!second of all...
no one said that it was okay for white people to call black people "niggers"... but it's soo funny how you guys find it sooo offensive but yet you use it yourselves...??? and how is "cracker" and "wigger" not as offensive as the word "nigger"??? they're all RACIAL SLURRS!!!! maybe the whites didn't like anybody in the past... but hey... THAT WAS THE PAST!!! times have changed, sure there are still some people that are racist today, but not everyone!!!! and you act like black people are the ONLY race being discriminated against...
as for the whole "asian owners automatically think you're gonna steal sumthin." thing... you guys seem to like bringing up your personal experiences... maybe you should think about why they think that??? maybe they have been stolen from before from only those 2 races??? kind of like how you "have a reason to be mad towards white folks" you have a reason to be mad, and maybe they (asian owners) have a reason to be suspicious....
chlorie... how old are you?? i mean, goodness, if YOU were a slave... that would mean you're like really really old. wow... we actually have someone here who experienced slavery first hand!! (sarcastic)
and I just love your little comment about "we black people know our history. we go to school!" is really stupid. you're basically saying that every other race doesn't go to school?! what a real intelligent thing to say...
you should not recive compensation for slavery. you were never a slave. in fact, slavery has probably helped you.
your ancesters were taken here against their will. thus, you were born and raised here. if slavery never existed, then you would have been born in africa. you must admit, you do benifit from being in the US.
compensation... i have not seen any compensation for the chinese exclution act. the compensation for the japanese 'internment' (the american concentration camps) was about 20,000 per person. years later.
you do not need compensation. i see able minorities rise in positions without affirmative action or compensation.
your ancesters were taken here against their will. thus, you were born and raised here. if slavery never existed, then you would have been born in africa. you must admit, you do benifit from being in the US.
compensation... i have not seen any compensation for the chinese exclution act. the compensation for the japanese 'internment' (the american concentration camps) was about 20,000 per person. years later.
you do not need compensation. i see able minorities rise in positions without affirmative action or compensation.
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 8 2004, 8:00 AM)
the compensation for the japanese 'internment' (the american concentration camps) was about 20,000 per person. years later.
Enough to buy a brand new Subaru.
I think that should be our new policy -- Compensate people based on how much a car from their ethnicity costs. But I don't know any African cars.
The most important issue here is this -- Slavery was (for the most part) not a government-caused evil. There is no reason the government (i.e.) ALL the taxpayers should pay for what some private individuals did a long time ago.
If you want to be compensated, track the lineage of the people who actually enslaved you (i.e. the pirates and chiefs who first captured your anceostrs from Africa nad brought them to the US -- not even the slave owners themselves, beacuse they were engaging in lawful activity, and for the most part, regarded what they were doing as beneficial to the slaves) and sue them.
20,000 for 5 years of imprisonment... that's with 50 years of interest.
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 8 2004, 8:24 AM)
20,000 for 5 years of imprisonment... that's with 50 years of interest.
Let's see... hte very last Japanese were let out in 1948 (so actually, 7 years of imprisonment -- 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948). The average year there was 1945.
7 years ... times the average inflation-adjusted per capita GDP in 1945 (around $11,500 -- it's actually just a tad more, but $11,500 is easier to work with).
So $11,500 times 7 years is $80,500 -- for math's sake, we'll just call that $80,000.
So really, a fair compensation would have to be at least $80,000. But they actually got $20,000. So really over 50 years (note: they were compesnated in 1996. Really, it should be 51 years since 1945 the average year -- but 50 is much easier to work with), they were paid a negative interest rate. Funny, let's calculate that:
$20,000 = $80,000x^50, where x = The inflation rate they were paid.
Slapping that into the trusty old TI-89, yields that X = about 0.973. In other words, they were paid -2.7% inflation each year.
Now, let's apply that same formula to determine fair slave compensation.
Slavery existed from 1620 to 1865. Slavery in the United States existed from 1776 (the beginning of the United States) to 1865. We will change 1776 to 1775 for mathematical clarity -- it won't make a differnece. In other words, our country had slavery for 90 years. The average year is 1820. The per capita GDP in 1820 was about $2,500 (inflation-adjusted -- the actual number is a little lower because the per capita GDP was alwayas lower in the South). The average slave had a life expectancy of about 35 years (not including infants who died before reaching the age of 2). So 35 times $2,500 is $87,500. But of course, the slaves weren't working the whole time. Let's say they would start working at age 10, which for the time period, is reasonable. That yields really 25 times $2,500 which is $62,500.
So a fair compensation for a slave would be $62,500. However, this is only for ONE slave. Let's take your average slave living from 1810 to 1840. Between then and now, there would have been 6 generations. If, in each generation, 2 slaves (or descendants of slaves) produced an average of 2.9 children (which is supported by historical data, but may acutally be an underestimate), then after 6 generations there would be 9 children (so 4 and a half per slave).
So that $62,500 has to be divided by four and a half. This yields $13,888. We'll make that $14,000.
So really, the fair compensation PER SLAVE DESCENDANT is now $14,000, not $62,500. $62,500 is the amount PER SLAVE.
However, the governemnt doesn't pay fair value. It pays -2.7% interest, as shown earlier in my example with the Japanese. And everyone ought to be compensated evenly, nyet comrade? So let's apply -2.7% interest.
Slavery (in the US) lasted from 1775 to 1865. The average year is 1820. Now it's 2005. That's 185 years.
So the amount of compensation you SHOULD get for slavery is:
$14,000 after 185 years of negative interest. Mathematically, that is: $14,000(.973)^185. My TI-89 puts that at $88.51.
We'll round that up to $90. Thus every black person in America who can prove he was the descendant of a slave between 1776 and 1865 should recieve $90.
That's enough to buy two or three AKs if you know where to shop. And since there are 25 million African-Americans in the United States ... let's say 80% were slave descendants. The total cost of paying 20 million people $90 each is $180,000,000 -- that amount of money is nothing in light of the total budget.
And remember, $90 is actually a high estimate. I rounded to give slaves the benefit of the doubt EVERY TIME. And this I did as an amateur with a pocket calculator with access to only rough data. If government economists were to do this, teh result would almost certainly be lower -- perhaps $75 or $80 per person. Have fun with that. Don't spend it all in one place (especially on drugs!).
Now let me end with the famous quote from Samuel Clemens:
"There are three kinds of lies in this world: Lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Really, you shouldn't get any money at all -- because YOU were never a slave. And as I brought up in my previous posts, the VAST majority of whites did not own slaves. Yet their descendants will be paying for you if the government chooses to compesnate. If you want compensation -- sue the pirates. You can go hire a lawyer with the $90 we gave you.
[BTW: Can you believe I am studying Econometrics??]
yes, so because of slavery, they all get $300, and free imigration to the US.
very nice cacultation, but that's considering they lived in the US, which would mean the slavetraders brought them over from africa for free, and they got work in the US.
so the proper conpensation for slavery would be
[GPA in africa]x[years as a slave]x[-2.7% interest] - transportation back to africa ( which was your homeland, correct?)
now, i don't know the GPA in africa at that time. but i imagine it to be about... 0. because most slaves were taken by rival tribes in the center portion of africa, where tribalism was still very much alive. these tribal slaves were sold to slavetraders who brought them to the cost. at the coast, slave ships bought the slaves and took them to america to sell.
in reality, it was not the whites enslaving the blacks, anyhow. the actual enslaving ( removal from a life of freedom to a life of slavery) was done by fellow blacks.
thus, they are not entitled to the $300s anyways.
very nice cacultation, but that's considering they lived in the US, which would mean the slavetraders brought them over from africa for free, and they got work in the US.
so the proper conpensation for slavery would be
[GPA in africa]x[years as a slave]x[-2.7% interest] - transportation back to africa ( which was your homeland, correct?)
now, i don't know the GPA in africa at that time. but i imagine it to be about... 0. because most slaves were taken by rival tribes in the center portion of africa, where tribalism was still very much alive. these tribal slaves were sold to slavetraders who brought them to the cost. at the coast, slave ships bought the slaves and took them to america to sell.
in reality, it was not the whites enslaving the blacks, anyhow. the actual enslaving ( removal from a life of freedom to a life of slavery) was done by fellow blacks.
thus, they are not entitled to the $300s anyways.
But because they were forced to come here, the cost of transportation is not theirs to pay. I agree that they are not entitled to money, but not for that reason.
yes, the cost of transportation isn't theirs to pay.
but they are in this country, and it was not the white man that enslaved thier ancestors. however, if their ancestors were not enslaved, they would remain in africa, a lower living standard.
but they are in this country, and it was not the white man that enslaved thier ancestors. however, if their ancestors were not enslaved, they would remain in africa, a lower living standard.
QUOTE(Chlorie @ Aug 8 2004, 2:09 AM)
when black people or mexicans walk into the swap meet or any place like that, the asian owners automatically tihnk youre gonna steal sumthin. and they stare at you and stuff.
This is what I mean by ridiculous!!!
Damn, if a Black person LOOKS like a thug, talk like a thug, and act like a thug, he/she is basically saying "I'M A THUG", stereotypically speaking. Okay, now if someone who looks like a thug steps into your store, wouldn't you worry, too? If that thug looking person was Asian/Hispanic/White, a Black store owner would feel threatened all the SAME.
ONCE AGAIN, Blacks are NOT the only ones being discriminated. My Dad and I walked into a piano store wearing our casual clothes (jeans and t-shirt) and the White customer service guy IGNORED us and after browsing around I realized that the other customers, who wore NICE (i.e what older people wear to Church) clothes and were Asians and Whites, were getting service. So really, even I have to accept the fact that if I look like a bum going into a fancy place, I'm going to get discriminated.
BeJEZZZUS, you make absolutely NO SENSE, and what you said was completely unthinking. Just like you and others are saying that we shouldn't stereotype Blacks, you should take your own advice and don't stereotype people of other races. That's another one of the proverbial "the pot calling the kettle black" for you.
MOST of the time, you'd think that you're discriminated because of your color even though your race has NOTHING to do with it. Sometimes, all it takes is common sense to know that you're not being discriminated but only that you're being judged based on your outward character.
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 8 2004, 10:52 AM)
This is what I mean by ridiculous!!!
Damn, if a Black person LOOKS like a thug, talk like a thug, and act like a thug, he/she is basically saying "I'M A THUG", stereotypically speaking. Okay, now if someone who looks like a thug steps into your store, wouldn't you worry, too? If that thug looking person was Asian/Hispanic/White, a Black store owner would feel threatened all the SAME.
ONCE AGAIN, Blacks are NOT the only ones being discriminated. My Dad and I walked into a piano store wearing our casual clothes (jeans and t-shirt) and the White customer service guy IGNORED us and after browsing around I realized that the other customers, who wore NICE (i.e what older people wear to Church) clothes and were Asians and Whites, were getting service. So really, even I have to accept the fact that if I look like a bum going into a fancy place, I'm going to get discriminated.
BeJEZZZUS, you make absolutely NO SENSE, and what you said was completely unthinking. Just like you and others are saying that we shouldn't stereotype Blacks, you should take your own advice and don't stereotype people of other races. That's another one of the proverbial "the pot calling the kettle black" for you.
MOST of the time, you'd think that you're discriminated because of your color even though your race has NOTHING to do with it. Sometimes, all it takes is common sense to know that you're not being discriminated but only that you're being judged based on your outward character.
Damn, if a Black person LOOKS like a thug, talk like a thug, and act like a thug, he/she is basically saying "I'M A THUG", stereotypically speaking. Okay, now if someone who looks like a thug steps into your store, wouldn't you worry, too? If that thug looking person was Asian/Hispanic/White, a Black store owner would feel threatened all the SAME.
ONCE AGAIN, Blacks are NOT the only ones being discriminated. My Dad and I walked into a piano store wearing our casual clothes (jeans and t-shirt) and the White customer service guy IGNORED us and after browsing around I realized that the other customers, who wore NICE (i.e what older people wear to Church) clothes and were Asians and Whites, were getting service. So really, even I have to accept the fact that if I look like a bum going into a fancy place, I'm going to get discriminated.
BeJEZZZUS, you make absolutely NO SENSE, and what you said was completely unthinking. Just like you and others are saying that we shouldn't stereotype Blacks, you should take your own advice and don't stereotype people of other races. That's another one of the proverbial "the pot calling the kettle black" for you.
MOST of the time, you'd think that you're discriminated because of your color even though your race has NOTHING to do with it. Sometimes, all it takes is common sense to know that you're not being discriminated but only that you're being judged based on your outward character.
very nicely said... that's true. basically EVERYONE is discriminated against, not just because of your race, but because of your sex, age, appearance, etc. uninspiredfae... took the words right out of my mouth...
QUOTE(kandi-chan @ Aug 8 2004, 1:20 AM)
personalli i agree wit brown sugar.. of course its not right for white folk 2 call black folk niggers when thats derogatory towards them cause of the slave thing..but its different for blak ppl 2 call blak ppl niggers cause theyre blak! duh..dunno how hard it is 2 understand that. and nigger isnt as offensive as wigger and cracker because black people didnt use it as a term meanin "stupid white person. we dint enslave u and call u that. and the term cracker was originally meant to describe a poor white person. white people call people crackers. and if you havent noticed thorughout history, white people have been racist towards all races..they dont like anybody! not the indians, not the blacks, not the mexicans, not the asians, not the middle-easterns, they juss dont! and i mean yea slavery was a thing of the past but racisms still goin on today..i was takin a walk the other day and some white kids threw an egg at me for no reason at all..i was mindin my own business lisenin 2 kanye west on my cd player and out of nowhere SPLAT! it hurt like friggin crap and the force of the egg hittin me made it break and it cut me and i started bleedin.. and the now you tell me that i have no reason to be mad towards white folk..yea its not all white folk but theres still that select bunch..crimes are commited against blacks ALL the friggin time. police beatin em 4 no reason at all and such. this one lady i know..her son was walking outside the apartment talking on his cell phone and this white cop shot him. now the cop claimed that he thought the cell phone was a gun and he shot for his own protection. but i dont think he needed 13 bullets in the boys chest to make him put down the weapon. and just bcuz we're black some people automatically think we're dumber than you white folk and we're automatically placed as "ghetto" and all dat crap. but no not all of us are. and if you guys who are talking were black then you'd understand where we're comin from. and its not right 4 blacks to make racist jokes against white people but most of the stuff has to do with history and stuff. i guess only black people and some white people can understand how much we've been through. and of course dats gonna make us hecka mad i mean c'mon..all you white people werent enslaved and the black form of "racist jokes and racism" and what not arent as severe as compared to that of white ppl. we dont hang and lynch you people for fun. we dont do that type of stuff for kicks. thats just sick. and we're not saying all white people are racist but a lot of em juss dont like black folk
oh and im sure uve been enslaved in the past?....
yeah "we" werent the enslavors....
and "you" didnt get enslaved....
that was a while ago bud....
i really dont understand y someone might thro an egg at ur head.... but if their racists id be angry towards them too....
and all u white ppl werent enslaved....
YEAH I NO THAT AND U WERENT EITHER....
if ur ancestors have been.... then so have ours.... look thro history.... not just black history and u'll find that all of our ancestors have been enslaved thro one point in time
oh and i have three words to say....
ITS OVER WITH
and has been for a long time
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white people should not be saying nigger because it was not a good word for them to say to begin with. black people use the word nigger because its a word they use to talk to each other since we were slaves and thats what we know. and did any of the white people ever call each other crackers because they were in oppression or something? i dont think so! you dont see teh white people gettin beat or hung or having to pick cotton!
okay thats just BS.... "we were slaves" haha u were.... ur ancestors were, not u.... and if it comes down to that.... then my ancestors were enslaved too.... and they were treated crappier then yours.... but u dont see me complaining about it all the time.... do u now?
wow. so when will we be celebrating your 200th birthday, MR. i was a slave.
dude... if i don't discriminate on race... i discriminate on dress. if you wear 'gansta' clothes, i treat you not that good. if you're in jeans and a shirt, i treat you better. if you'r in a suit, then you get great treatment.
you're dress relfects who you are. it's no my fault if you dress badly. that doens't mean it's racism.
dude... if i don't discriminate on race... i discriminate on dress. if you wear 'gansta' clothes, i treat you not that good. if you're in jeans and a shirt, i treat you better. if you'r in a suit, then you get great treatment.
you're dress relfects who you are. it's no my fault if you dress badly. that doens't mean it's racism.
and you're stereotyping. you got your sonys, your panasonics, but, better than stereo is 5.1 surround sound. hehe.
the KKK still exists. but that doesn't mean all white people are like that. nor all southerners.
the KKK still exists. but that doesn't mean all white people are like that. nor all southerners.
[QUOTE]but it's soo funny how you guys find it sooo offensive but yet you use it yourselves...??? WE USE IT CAUSE WE ARE BLACK!!!
What I'm actually trying to say is that if the government were to treat African-Americans the same way it treated Japanese people (which, after all, is far -- Fourteenth Amendment) and compensate them, each slave descendant would recieve $90 as fair compensation.
Anything more would be discriminatory towards the Japanese.
Anything more would be discriminatory towards the Japanese.
Obviously... but what would you propose?
There's an affirmative action thread buried there somewhere where I basically showed that affiramtive action holds blacks back. I'd be glad to dig it up if you want.
There's an affirmative action thread buried there somewhere where I basically showed that affiramtive action holds blacks back. I'd be glad to dig it up if you want.
[QUOTE=Chlorie,Aug 8 2004, 3:32 PM] [QUOTE]but it's soo funny how you guys find it sooo offensive but yet you use it yourselves...??? WE USE IT CAUSE WE ARE BLACK!!! [/QUOTE]
wow... you call each other "stupid black person"... isn't that just a slap in the face??? when you guys say it, you guys are just promoting more people to say it... just like cussing.. more and more young kids are cussing because of what they hear from people, tv, music, etc... some people actually think the word "nigger" is just slang for "homie" or whatnot... you know, you hear all these people sayin "wussup mah niggah"... on music, in the streets... oh wait.. i love this one also... "foe shizzle mah nizzle"
more and more people hear it, the more they are going to use it.... the word "dope" was now slang for "cool" because everyone kept saying it and using it.... you hear people say "nigger" as in like a "friend"... why do you have to use it anyways?? can you find no other word to replace the word "nigger"....????
Example
From the movie, You Got Served... after they were done performing or whatever, the little boy (little saint)... said...
"man, ya'll niggahs were off the shizzy...when ya'll gonna let me get down wit ya'll?" something like that.... anyways... you can obviously take out the word "niggahs"... you don't even have to use it...
bottom line is... if you don't want people to be using the word "nigger" don't promote the word.... that's like... if you have a kid, and you don't want him/her to cuss... but yet you cuss all the time in front of the kid.... ?????
[QUOTE]can some of u actully freakin try to argue with out having a fact book from who knows when rite by u? thanks, we've seen ur statistics..but what are u actually trying to say? [/QUOTE]
What i'm trying to say is that... hmmm... how I THINK that it's okay for black people to make fun of white people (such as the movie 'White Chicks')... but if anyone were to even think of a movie... hmmm.. let's call it... 'Black Chicks'... there would be crys of racism....
wow... you call each other "stupid black person"... isn't that just a slap in the face??? when you guys say it, you guys are just promoting more people to say it... just like cussing.. more and more young kids are cussing because of what they hear from people, tv, music, etc... some people actually think the word "nigger" is just slang for "homie" or whatnot... you know, you hear all these people sayin "wussup mah niggah"... on music, in the streets... oh wait.. i love this one also... "foe shizzle mah nizzle"
more and more people hear it, the more they are going to use it.... the word "dope" was now slang for "cool" because everyone kept saying it and using it.... you hear people say "nigger" as in like a "friend"... why do you have to use it anyways?? can you find no other word to replace the word "nigger"....???? Example
From the movie, You Got Served... after they were done performing or whatever, the little boy (little saint)... said...
"man, ya'll niggahs were off the shizzy...when ya'll gonna let me get down wit ya'll?" something like that.... anyways... you can obviously take out the word "niggahs"... you don't even have to use it...
bottom line is... if you don't want people to be using the word "nigger" don't promote the word.... that's like... if you have a kid, and you don't want him/her to cuss... but yet you cuss all the time in front of the kid.... ?????
[QUOTE]can some of u actully freakin try to argue with out having a fact book from who knows when rite by u? thanks, we've seen ur statistics..but what are u actually trying to say? [/QUOTE]
What i'm trying to say is that... hmmm... how I THINK that it's okay for black people to make fun of white people (such as the movie 'White Chicks')... but if anyone were to even think of a movie... hmmm.. let's call it... 'Black Chicks'... there would be crys of racism....
QUOTE(JlIaTMK @ Aug 7 2004, 10:10 PM)
yeah ur kinda rude....
and its not because of that....
i found this out in another post....
and ummm ur steriotyping all blacks and saying they all have proper grammer.... when i dont think every single black person on this earth has proper grammer....
oh and its been a proven fact that some time or another.... at least one of our ancestors has been a slave
and its not because of that....
i found this out in another post....
and ummm ur steriotyping all blacks and saying they all have proper grammer.... when i dont think every single black person on this earth has proper grammer....
oh and its been a proven fact that some time or another.... at least one of our ancestors has been a slave
Look up we in the dictionary sweetie, was I refering to every single black person or Mexican? NO. We can be used informally by a writer (being me) to refer to him or herself.
not everyone bashes blacks.
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