I personally think Satanism is quite...contradictory. Satanism is the revolution of Christianty, but Satan exists only in Christianity (and some other religions, but that's besides the point).

i dont care if its the fad or not.
even if there was no heaven hell god or satan
satanism just sounds wrong

Exactly. For something to be a religion, don't you have to have a deity to worship? As Waccoon defined it, Satanism is basically indulging yourself, he never said anything about actually worshipping Satan.

It's just like Buddhism. It's not a religion. It's only a way of life.

I'm not for or against satanists. It's just another way of life. If someone tries to dictate the way such a large group lives then they're an a-hole.

You know i never saw it that way... So bassically satanism is a minority group? Im kinda confused...

... When in the world did she even allude to the fact that Satanism is a minority?...........

She said Satanism is a way of life, not a religion. Absolutely nothing about the number of followers it has acquired.

Well in this country, compared to Christianity, Satanism definitely is a minority..

I know that it's true, but you never said anything about it being a minority in your post.

"Religion is commonly defined as a group of beliefs concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. [1]"

Main Entry: religious
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French religieus, from Latin religiosus, from religio
1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>
2 : of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances
3 a : scrupulously and conscientiously faithful b : FERVENT, ZEALOUS

It isn't required that you worship a deity to be considered religous. Nor is it required that a system of belief recognize a deity to be considered a religion. Such a definition is far to narrow and exclusive.

Although Satanists do not worship a deity, Satanism is certaintly still a religion because of it's ultimate view on reality, it's traditions, practices, moral codes, and dogmatic attitudes to all of these things. Buddhism is also a religion. Although Satanism and Buddhism may also be recognized as philosophies of sorts, they are most certaintly still religions.

So I guess you're all for anarchy then huh?

Ahh, thank you for clearing that up.

And Kryogenix..Anielka never said she was for anything. She just said she wasn't going to interfere with stuff that's got nothing to do with her.

who worships satan??? i mean GOD is better.

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It all depends on who would cater better to your needs. But previously stated in earlier posts, Satanism isn't actually the worship of the devil.

I can not be supportive of traditional satanism. Anyone who kills animals is heartless.

Stupid stuff like this just wants me to choke someone. Explain to me why?


I am not a satanist by the way

wow, i didnt know people really worship the devil, i didnt really think that was possible, i dont get it, sounds weird to me for someone to want to call them selves a satianist or whatever.

Yea it is being exploited, and for like the wrong reasons. People are idiots.

I dont believe in a Satan or Hell.

Why would God have created Satan?

Atheism and Satanism are not the same things. I'm atheist and I don't worship Lucifer that bastard. lol jk. I know what's right, what's wrong and live my life by that. Kharma is without a doubt real. I think Satanists are just pissed off about Christianity and hate god so they want to in turn piss them off. But hey if you really believe in Satan, go ahead. I'm just saying it seems that people who want to be badass use it as a core excuse.

but in LaVey's Satanism, needlessly killing animals is forbidden in the eleven satanic rules of the earth. "Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food."



I'm a Satanist, and I dont believe in Hell, nor do I believe in Satan in the way that Christians do.
In Satanism, "Satan" is more of a metaphor.



how many times does this have to be explained for you people to finally understand it? Satanism is not the worship of the devil.

I really don't care if you believe my pet fish made the universe and gave you life or if you believe it is satan. Fish, satan, poo, it's all the same to me. I don't care what you believe or who you worship, so long as it doesn't affect me.

so does that mean satan is good? perfect?
why would anyone worship him..what does he have to offer?

For the last time, Satanists dont worship Satan
Next time, read the posts. This has been established many times so far.

I think it's evil and wrong but hey it's your choice, whatever makes you happy.

Satanism in my opinion is a RELIGION because a religion is basically a belief.



Oh really? Well I looked up the word Satanism which is the same as a Satanist, a Satanist is a person who believes in Satanism heres the definition of Satanism:

Sa·tan·ism /ˈseɪtnˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[seyt-n-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the worship of Satan or the powers of evil.
2. a travesty of Christian rites in which Satan is worshiped.
3. diabolical or satanic disposition, behavior, or activity.

If you knew shit about MODERN DAY Satanism, you'd know that it no longer has anything to do with that.
for one to worship or believe in Satan as an anthropomorphic being, one would actually be involved with a perverse form of Christianity.

In modern day satanism, "satan" is more of a metaphor.
The Nine Satanic Statements:
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

First of all, I didn't know cussing was aloud on the forums. In my OPINION satanism is and will always be exactly what I said...I don't care what you think, I know the definition and no matter what time period it is, it will ALWAYS mean the same exact thing...I think the only reason you say modern day is because most people choose to believe in what Satanism really means, but we already know the "true" meaning....and I have no idea where you got all your info 1-9..most of it I find extremely funny.

Like I said dude, you have your own beliefs, I have mine

That's like saying "In my opinion, Christianity is really about worshipping airplanes"
Its not an opinion. It's fact. Satanism is not about worshipping the christian Satan.


I got my "info 1-9" from the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, founder of modern day satanism. I'm pretty sure that counts as a creditable source.



I didn't quite understand that setence, but I'll reply to what I got out of it.
I say "modern day Satanism" because The Church of Satan was established recently. (on April 30, 1966.) and I wouldn't want it to be confused with any other form of "satanism" that existed prior to that date.

Exactly, it's your opinion..I got mine you've got yours.

You say it's not the same Satan...well that really doesn't make any sense because there is ONLY one Satan and ONLY one God, there is God that created everything and then theres Satan that tries to destroy everything and everyone. But like I said, I understand it's your beliefs and I respect that. But when I think of Satan and Satanism, I think bad things but like I said that's my own opinion and I am not going to sit here and judge you for thinking any differently on the matter, if you want to believe in all that stuff, I don't care, it's your life not mine.

It's not about opinion. I dont care if you believe in the teachings of Satanism, I'm just stating facts. Modern day Satanism in no way recognizes Satan as an antropormorphic being. That's all I'm saying.

You can't have an opinion about that part. Like I said earlier, that would be like saying that in your opinion, Christianity recognizes the great Fed Ex Airplane as creator of all and thus worships it.

I recognize that you can have an opinion about whether or not the religion is right, and you're free to do so. I dont particularly care whether you believe in any of it.

I'm just trying to educate you a bit by telling you what the religion really is. I'm only stating facts. those facts are not subject to debate. There is no question as to what the church teaches, it is written very clearly. Whether or not the teachings are right is an entirely different question, and you may have whatever opinion you like on that matter.

You have your beliefs, I have mine

Its fine that you have your own beliefs, I dont care. I'm just saying that there are certain things that are facts.
It is fact that Satanists do not worship the Christian Satan.
That's not something that can be debated.
and if you really think that it can be debated, justify your answer. give me facts to support it. This is a debate, and thats what you do in debates. You give facts to support your statements.
I've given you the facts to support my statements. I quoted Anton Szander LaVey, the most reliable source on the subject seeing as he created the religion.
if you really think you can prove me wrong, go ahead. if not, shut the f**k up cuz you dont know what you're talking about.

Read the rules hun! Don't disrespect another memeber

okay, i apologize, Heather.
however, I would like you to pay attention to the rules of debate, and back up your statements with FACTS

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Apology accepted.

The only proof I have is the fact that the Dictonary tells of what it means. When did this guy create the religion? When was it written in the dictionary? I know, Satanism and Satanists have been around for a VERY VERY long time.

Give me proof of your facts? You can't say that this guy is your proof since the religion has been around for a VERY long time and just because this guy created it doesn't mean anything, anyone can create a religion...I mean hell theres the flying spagetti monster...like I said that's a religion also in case you didn't know, so just because it's a religion and it says it's real doesn't mean it's real and all facts.

As I stated earlier, Anton Szander LaVey founded The Church of Satan on April 30, 1966.
Throughout this debate, I have been referring to "modern day satanism" and by that, I mean the form of Satanism founded by LaVey. This entire topic is referring to that form of Satanism.


I'm not saying that the teachings are true. I dont care what you believe on that matter. I'm just telling you what the teachings are.

Well to me Satanism is Satanism, he may have created the religion in 1966 but wasn't the word Satanism or Satanists created LONG before the religion was created???

There is NOTHING in common between the Satanism of the past and the Satanism of today. The only thing they have in common is the name. the "satanism" you refer to is the worship of Satan as the Christians believe in him. Modern day Satanism has nothing to do with that. Modern day Satanists are atheists. Modern day Satanists don't believe in god, jesus or satan.

Maybe there are still a few people who worship the christian satan, but the fact remains that they are two completely different religions that have no connection whatsoever.

this isn't something that can be debated. this is FACT.

Then why don't you just call yourself an Atheist...I'm an Agnostic by the way...

because there's much more to Satanism than that.
Yes, Satanists are Atheists. but there's a lot more to it.

Well I disagree I don't think ALL Atheists are Satanists since you claim there's more to it. It's like saying all black people play basketball..I mean come on....

I didn't say that all Atheists are Satanists. I was saying that all Satanists are Atheists. There's a difference.

Oops sorry about that! I was tired when I read that lol

What the heck do they do then?
Deny God? Worship goats? Wear black? Burn bibles?

whatever..i just think it's a way for people to rebel.

Do people actually do that????? lmao

well actually, if you must know, Satanism is all about sacrificing virgins and drinking the blood of cows, although we have been known to eat small children as well.

^oh really? thanks ill add that to the list of why im not a satanist!

*Agreed* lol...but yeah, that's what I always believed but as for him/her, I think they are being sarcastic.

^yeaa i know i was being sarcastic too ;]

aww... but its so much fun!
I mean, I was a bit skeptical at first too. But the first time I sacrificed a virgin... man, I knew this religion was for me.
Now, on the other hand, cow's blood isnt as delicious as it may sound...


I'm sure there are plenty of people who convert to Satanism in an attempt to rebel. I find those people thoroughly disgusting, as I'm sure LaVey would have.
Those people give us a bad name. Most of them have never read a word of LaVey's writing. They've never so much as met a true Satanist.
But I assure you, not everyone is like that.