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LiNHy POO
well me and my boyfriend were talking a few nights ago.. like the title says.. personally.. i believe in greek myth.. and think that everyone goes to the underworld.. ruled by hades.. i dont know if there really is a heavan.. and i dont care where i go.. all i know is that im gonna be buried in the ground..
visualfusion
If there IS a heaven, then there IS a hell. Why? Cause everything supposidly must be in balance.
bibliomania
There is heaven and hell for those who believe in them. In my case, I don't really believe in heaven or hell because... Well, I have no clue why I don't. lol Eh heh.
black_cloud10
grew up christian, so yeah i believe in heaven and hell... i think i'm going to hell, but i'm not sure. i hope not anyway. i want to see my grandma again (rip 1-5-00)
ryfitaDF
heaven and hell are less real to me then never never land. and if their were a heaven and hell, everyone would go to hell. theres no way you can't sin. no possible way.
black_cloud10
hell isn't for anybody who sins. its for the major sins, unsaved, and really ugly ppl lol jk
IIO__oII
QUOTE(black_cloud10 @ Jul 21 2004, 10:11 PM)
hell isn't for anybody who sins. its for the major sins, unsaved, and really ugly ppl lol jk

im not sure about the "major sin" part.... i think that whatever sin you commit, God can forgive...

otherwise, i agree with you. even on the "ugly people" part. haha JK =D
tootsie_kiddo
i dnt believe in both... when u die, u die. end of discussion and u dnt go off and wander into sum kinda place lyk HEAVEn and HELL
J.K
its all a state of mind...i guess. thats what they told me...but i see it as the traditional heaven ^up there and hell vdown there thing.

**hehe, according to dante, i'm going the the 7th level of hell yay**
NawtyLilAznChic
i dont believe in that heaven n hell thing, i believe in reincarnation n that everyone was put on earth fa a reason n if u dont fulfill ur reason then u havta keep livin ur life until u live it tha right way, then u get ta b sumone new n so on
ComradeRed
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv
Spirited Away
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 22 2004, 6:50 PM)

Whoa... I never knew I was so lustful...

Second Level of Hell

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You have come to a place mute of all light, where the wind bellows as the sea does in a tempest. This is the realm where the lustful spend eternity. Here, sinners are blown around endlessly by the unforgiving winds of unquenchable desire as punishment for their transgressions. The infernal hurricane that never rests hurtles the spirits onward in its rapine, whirling them round, and smiting, it molests them. You have betrayed reason at the behest of your appetite for pleasure, and so here you are doomed to remain. Cleopatra and Helen of Troy are two that share in your fate.


Level Who are sent there? Score
Purgatory Repenting Believers Low
Level 1 - Limbo Virtuous Non-Believers High
Level 2 Lustful High
Level 3 Gluttonous Low
Level 4 Prodigal and Avaricious Very Low
Level 5 Wrathful and Gloomy Low
Level 6 - The City of Dis Heretics Low
Level 7 Violent Low
Level 8- the Malebolge Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers High
Level 9 - Cocytus Treacherous Low
ComradeRed
I think Limbo is my highest, and Malebolge is my second.
ghjgfkgfk
i don't really believe in hell. if god forgives, then why is there a hell?
i am not sure abotu heaven.

im not all that religious.


you know what i think?

if you think there is a heaven and you think that is what happens when you die, then you to heaven.

if you believe reincarnation then thats what happens to you

if you think nothing ever happens after you die, then thats what will happen to you.

errmm, are you getting this?
ghjgfkgfk
Sixth Level of Hell - The City of Dis

You approach Satan's wretched city where you behold a wide plain surrounded by iron walls. Before you are fields full of distress and torment terrible. Burning tombs are littered about the landscape. Inside these flaming sepulchers suffer the heretics, failing to believe in God and the afterlife, who make themselves audible by doleful sighs. You will join the wicked that lie here, and will be offered no respite. The three infernal Furies stained with blood, with limbs of women and hair of serpents, dwell in this circle of Hell

hahhaha. bull.

ComradeRed-where did you find that quiz?
NawtyLilAznChic
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 22 2004, 7:50 PM)

whoa...

Second Level of Hell

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You have come to a place mute of all light, where the wind bellows as the sea does in a tempest. This is the realm where the lustful spend eternity. Here, sinners are blown around endlessly by the unforgiving winds of unquenchable desire as punishment for their transgressions. The infernal hurricane that never rests hurtles the spirits onward in its rapine, whirling them round, and smiting, it molests them. You have betrayed reason at the behest of your appetite for pleasure, and so here you are doomed to remain. Cleopatra and Helen of Troy are two that share in your fate.


Here is how you matched up against all the levels:
(Click on a level for more info)
Level Who are sent there? Score
Purgatory Repenting Believers Very Low
Level 1 - Limbo Virtuous Non-Believers Very Low
Level 2 Lustful Extreme
Level 3 Gluttonous Moderate
Level 4 Prodigal and Avaricious High
Level 5 Wrathful and Gloomy Very High
Level 6 - The City of Dis Heretics Very High
Level 7 Violent Very High
Level 8- the Malebolge Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers Very High
Level 9 - Cocytus Treacherous Very High
diezelbabygrl_xoxo
QUOTE(airam @ Jul 22 2004, 9:42 PM)
i don't really believe in hell. if god forgives, then why is there a hell?

God only forgives you when u ask for His forgiveness...He doesn't jus forgive anyone...u have 2 earn it happy.gif
Spirited Away
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 22 2004, 9:42 PM)
I think Limbo is my highest, and Malebolge is my second.

Worst case senerio, looks like you and I are going to be Hell buddies. Or erm... hmmm...



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God only forgives you when u ask for His forgiveness...He doesn't jus forgive anyone...u have 2 earn it 


Uh, yea sure, that explains how forgiving He is.
bibliomania
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 22 2004, 6:50 PM)

Level one of hell.

Charon ushers you across the river Acheron, and you find yourself upon the brink of grief's abysmal valley. You are in Limbo, a place of sorrow without torment. You encounter a seven-walled castle, and within those walls you find rolling fresh meadows illuminated by the light of reason, whereabout many shades dwell. These are the virtuous pagans, the great philosophers and authors, unbaptised children, and others unfit to enter the kingdom of heaven. You share company with Caesar, Homer, Virgil, Socrates, and Aristotle. There is no punishment here, and the atmosphere is peaceful, yet sad.

Why do I feel such an accomplishment?! BLEH!
CEP
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 22 2004, 4:50 PM)

Sixth Level of Hell - The City of Dis

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You approach Satan's wretched city where you behold a wide plain surrounded by iron walls. Before you are fields full of distress and torment terrible. Burning tombs are littered about the landscape. Inside these flaming sepulchers suffer the heretics, failing to believe in God and the afterlife, who make themselves audible by doleful sighs. You will join the wicked that lie here, and will be offered no respite. The three infernal Furies stained with blood, with limbs of women and hair of serpents, dwell in this circle of Hell.

woot

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Heaven and Hell are just there to scare us into being good.
IMO.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi
AzNPmPGMr
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 22 2004, 4:50 PM)

Purgatory

You have escaped damnation and made it to Purgatory, a place where the dew of repentance washes off the stain of sin and girds the spirit with humility. Through contrition, confession, and satisfaction by works of righteousness, you must make your way up the mountain. As the sins are cleansed from your soul, you will be illuminated by the Sun of Divine Grace, and you will join other souls, smiling and happy, upon the summit of this mountain. Before long you will know the joys of Paradise as you ascend to the ethereal realm of Heaven.

Level Who are sent there? Score
Purgatory Repenting Believers Very High
Level 1 - Limbo Virtuous Non-Believers Moderate
Level 2 Lustful Very Low
Level 3 Gluttonous Moderate
Level 4 Prodigal and Avaricious Low
Level 5 Wrathful and Gloomy Very Low
Level 6 - The City of Dis Heretics Very Low
Level 7 Violent Low
Level 8- the Malebolge Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers Moderate
Level 9 - Cocytus Treacherous Very Low

WHEE!!!! biggrin.gif
jo3
i believe in a heaven and hell. i believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior will go to heaven, and those who don't that don't.
Foolish Heart
I believed in Heaven and Hell until I met my boyfriend. See my boyfriend is trying to find out if there's Heaven or Hell. That's when I questioned my belief. Okay here's what I think right now:

I think we ARE in Hell, Earth IS Hell, do you get it? Were here living on earth, and if you notice, we suffer here on Earth. We don't need Hell or anything to suffer. Cause we were born here on Earth, and since that day, we've been facing problems, fighting to live. Do you get my point??

If there really is Heaven, I believe that everybody goes there when they die.

If there is no heaven, when we die, it's just nothing, it's dark, it's over. THAT IS IT.
batbunney
when people refer to heaven or hell they usually think of a place where one can go after they die. but it deals with a soul and/or spirit not a physical being, so it is not a physical place. so it is very difficult to prove whether it is true or not, but that is where faith comes in.

personally, i do believe in both because i am catholic. but the idea of an afterlife seems very universal in many religions. if not an afterlife, some state of rebirth. and for those who do not believe in an afterlife and you just die, then thats another story.
ComradeRed
QUOTE(Foolish Heart @ Jul 28 2004, 10:19 PM)
I believed in Heaven and Hell until I met my boyfriend. See my boyfriend is trying to find out if there's Heaven or Hell. That's when I questioned my belief. Okay here's what I think right now:

I think we ARE in Hell, Earth IS Hell, do you get it? Were here living on earth, and if you notice, we suffer here on Earth. We don't need Hell or anything to suffer. Cause we were born here on Earth, and since that day, we've been facing problems, fighting to live. Do you get my point??

If there really is Heaven, I believe that everybody goes there when they die.

If there is no heaven, when we die, it's just nothing, it's dark, it's over. THAT IS IT.

Well hell is only suffering ... do you see live on Earth as only suffering?

I think there is more good than bad here.
RiC3xBoy
QUOTE(chinkieeyedpnoi @ Jul 26 2004, 7:36 PM)
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Heaven and Hell are just there to scare us into being good.
IMO.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

yes, i totally agree, to me, its not different than telling a good being good for christmas will get u presents
CEP
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 29 2004, 8:25 AM)
Well hell is only suffering ... do you see live on Earth as only suffering?

I think there is more good than bad here.

Wow. There's nothing about Russia or whatever in that post.
Amazing.
*claps*

- Chinkieeyedpnoi
CloudUnionX
I am really distant from religion, therefore I have no clue whether there is or is not a heaven or hell, it doesnt really matter to me anyways.
Guarneri
THERE SURE IS!
ComradeRed
Think about this:

If all non-Christians went to Hell, that means MOST of the people in the world -- including MOST of hte good people, and most of hte interesting historical figures that we hear about.

But then, if so many interesting people are in hell, and far fewer are in heaven, it follows that one can actually meet more good, interesting people in hell. In this way, some people may actually enjoy hell more than heaven, thus making hell heaven and heaven hell.

Idea Originally Proposed by: Niccolo Machiavelli, Italian Philosopher, who said on his deathbed that for that reason, he would rather go to Hell and talk to Plato, Caesar, Aristotle, etc., than to mingle with "boring" people in Heaven.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 5 2004, 7:11 AM)
Think about this:

If all non-Christians went to Hell, that means MOST of the people in the world -- including MOST of hte good people, and most of hte interesting historical figures that we hear about.

But then, if so many interesting people are in hell, and far fewer are in heaven, it follows that one can actually meet more good, interesting people in hell. In this way, some people may actually enjoy hell more than heaven, thus making hell heaven and heaven hell.

Idea Originally Proposed by: Niccolo Machiavelli, Italian Philosopher, who said on his deathbed that for that reason, he would rather go to Hell and talk to Plato, Caesar, Aristotle, etc., than to mingle with "boring" people in Heaven.

I'm all for it.

James A Haught's 2000 years of Disbelief documents some of the world's most famous figures in history to be skeptics and non-believers. Hell would definately be interesting.
aznxdreamer
i think theres only a heaven, and heaven is whatever you want it to be. so, whatever you want the most, it would be heaven. happy.gif
DarkCrescentMoon
ah...interesting! i'm going to go to purgatory. i know it.

reasons why i'm gonna go to purgatory:

1. no one is perfect. I screwed up life a couple of times

2. i try to be a good catholic. i believe in god.

I will screw up life more. hopefully not as much for that i go into hell...

purgatory is a place of suffereing...

the earth is a place of suffereing...


maybe the world is purgatory..

so..my body will still be left on Eath.

RiC3xBoy
wasnt purgatory the "third final destination"
black_cloud10
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Aug 5 2004, 7:11 AM)
Think about this:

If all non-Christians went to Hell, that means MOST of the people in the world -- including MOST of hte good people, and most of hte interesting historical figures that we hear about.

wow sounds like me last summer.... you know i actually calculated how many people (in theory) are going to tell? was like 6billion people... i think... 2/3s of the world's population. and thats just everyone living now, not counting everyone thats already died. hell must be overflowing... probably split into earth and thats why things get so bad sometimes??

heh, sometimes i have the logic of a child. ty for the dante's inferno test. haven't checked my hell level in awhile..

Seventh Level of Hell

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Guarded by the Minotaur, who snarls in fury, and encircled within the river Phlegethon, filled with boiling blood, is the Seventh Level of Hell. The violent, the assasins, the tyrants, and the war-mongers lament their pitiless mischiefs in the river, while centaurs armed with bows and arrows shoot those who try to escape their punishment. The stench here is overpowering. This level is also home to the wood of the suicides- stunted and gnarled trees with twisting branches and poisoned fruit. At the time of final judgement, their bodies will hang from their branches. In those branches the Harpies, foul birdlike creatures with human faces, make their nests. Beyond the wood is scorching sand where those who committed violence against God and nature are showered with flakes of fire that rain down against their naked bodies. Blasphemers and sodomites writhe in pain, their tongues more loosed to lamentation, and out of their eyes gushes forth their woe. Usurers, who followed neither nature nor art, also share company in the Seventh Level.
Ze world is a Mask
WHO GIVES A FFING CARE? WE'LL KNOW WHEN WE DIE SHEES
DittotoAnne18
QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jul 22 2004, 12:08 AM)
heaven and hell are less real to me then never never land. and if their were a heaven and hell, everyone would go to hell. theres no way you can't sin. no possible way.

thats why the christians believe they have to ask for forgivness

but for me, i dont believe in heaven or hell - i believe when you die..everything just...stops.
gerundio
there is no such thing as hell.
Mick3Y
Honestly i dun beleive in it... _dry.gif

- Tran -
raw_material
we are all destined to die once.... heaven is a gift of God...For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of Godis eternal Life... cool.gif
XxaznskoolgurlxX
honestly...i think the world we live in now is both heaven and hell...not exactly sure why i think that though..but...if we die in this world, are we going to a new one?? or are we suppose to live in this same world with the "living" and watch them?? n how do we know if there is "life" after death?? uh yeah...((sorry about the questions))..
xnastyninjagrlx
I totally believe in Hell and Heaven. THere is always a balance in this world, white black. good and evil, man and woman...I think if you live right now thinking that you are placed on this earth with NO PURPOSe but juss to live and die, I juss think that's pointless. There has got to be a resaon we are here..and personally I would want to enter the gates of heaven.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(xnastyninjagrlx @ Aug 30 2004, 5:31 PM)
THere is always a balance in this world, white black. good and evil, man and woman...I think if you live right now thinking that you are placed on this earth with NO PURPOSe but juss to live and die, I juss think that's pointless. There has got to be a resaon we are here..and personally I would want to enter the gates of heaven.

There are black and white, but don't forget shades of gray and other colors in between.

There are good and evil, but how about doing evil because you are forced to do it to save someone else's life? Or doing good, but all for the wrong reasons?

Actually, it's only in your point of view that people have no purpose if they don't believe in the concept of Heaven and Hell. I find that life is FULL of meanings and purposes that are just waiting to be discovered and I don't even believe in Heaven/Hell... How is it that you think we have no purpose in life?
xnastyninjagrlx
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I find that life is FULL of meanings and purposes that are just waiting to be discovered and I don't even believe in Heaven/Hell... How is it that you think we have no purpose in life?


yah I believe everyone has their own successes, wishes, desires, and purpose in life. But what about after life? Do you really think we are on this earth to just live life and die? My view is not how you live on earth, but what exactly is going to happen once you die. If your time on earth were all there is to life, then we can forget about being good and ethical, and you wouldn't have to worry about any consequences of your actions. What is the point anyway to go to skewl, to work..etc? TO have a successful life? But that does not mean you can take all those successes with you when you die? So wouldn't it be pointless to live day to day knowing death can come anytime and end ur success right there. I juss believe there has got to be more in life, than the life on earth.

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But then, if so many interesting people are in hell, and far fewer are in heaven, it follows that one can actually meet more good, interesting people in hell. In this way, some people may actually enjoy hell more than heaven, thus making hell heaven and heaven hell.


They wouldn't call it "hell" for no reason if everyone is having a good o' time in hell. If that was the case, everyone can just do whatever they please. Hell is not a happy place that most people picture it. It is full of suffering, pain, crying,..etc. nonstop. People are not celebrating or even partying in hell. But it is your own opinion on weather the people are more interesting in hell, but it doesn't mean that people in heaven are less interesting.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(xnastyninjagrlx @ Aug 31 2004, 4:48 PM)
yah I believe everyone has their own successes, wishes, desires, and purpose in life. But what about after life? Do you really think we are on this earth to just live life and die?

Why do you focus on life, death and suffering? There are things in between, like I have said. Instead of black and white, think of the other colors (love, friends, family, companionship, obstacles... etc). In life, there are myriads of things to live for. I've NEVER said that we are here to live and die, in fact, my purpose in life is simply to live. Death is inevitable, something that no man can cheat, so why worry about it?

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My view is not how you live on earth, but what exactly is going to happen once you die. If your time on earth were all there is to life, then we can forget about being good and ethical, and you wouldn't have to worry about any consequences of your actions. What is the point anyway to go to skewl, to work..etc? TO have a successful life? But that does not mean you can take all those successes with you when you die? So wouldn't it be pointless to live day to day knowing death can come anytime and end ur success right there. I juss believe there has got to be more in life, than the life on earth.


Ah, I see. While you believe that the afterlife is more important, and choose to be content with believing life after death, I choose to be content with focusing on living. There may be Heaven and Hell, but there may also be another life, or perhaps nothing in Death, but I do not wonder about that.

Do you know what success means? How do you define success for yourself? As for me, success means being happy with who I am and what I've accomplished. At this day and age, there are many who realize that tangible wealth doesn't mean success. Success doesn't always mean money, big houses, luxury cars, it could mean loving family or/and peace of mind. I'll be extra happy if I can be wealthy, but I'll be just as successful as Bill Gates if I can raise my family to contribute positively to society, because then I have attained something I've desired my whole life.

As for taking those success with me, I do not wish for my family to die with me, I would prefer they live and find out their own purposes.

I can die tonight, or perhaps the next day... but those thought won't stop me from living. Don't get me wrong, I am scared of Death, but I'm not going to let the fear of the inevitable stop me from living my dreams.

Some Christians say they welcome Death, because It will allow them to be in the presence of their eternal Father, which I have absolutely no qualms against, but that doesn't mean that Christians are right about how to live. Some people live for Christ, others live for money, and there are those who live... to live (with all the colors in between).
MusicalAngel
QUOTE(jo3 @ Jul 26 2004, 7:56 PM)
i believe in a heaven and hell. i believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior will go to heaven, and those who don't that don't.

I agree. As a Christian, you don't HAVE to be good to go to heaven. Jesus died on the cross so that we would have the safety gate to heaven THROUGH HIM. If you believe in Jesus and have faith in Him, you WILL be guarenteed a passageway to heaven, regardless of what you've done. Hell was created for Satan and his demons. If you DO NOT believe in Jesus and have faith in Him, then that is where you will go. In the Bible, Jesus forgave a woman who committed adultery and let her into heaven... why? Because she BELIEVED. Yeah... so that's it. LOL

Sorry if it sounded like i was preaching... i'm just letting you all know the facts. It's in the Bible. I promise. You don't have to EARN your passageway to heaven... you just have to believe.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(MusicalAngel @ Aug 31 2004, 9:36 PM)
I agree. As a Christian, you don't HAVE to be good to go to heaven. Jesus died on the cross so that we would have the safety gate to heaven THROUGH HIM.

Ah, is that how it is, truly? The bad have a chance to Heaven, while those who are virtuous will go to Hell doubtlessly, what a lovely system it seems. rolleyes.gif

Edit> I perfer Angel's version even though I don't quite understand it.
gerundio
QUOTE(MusicalAngel @ Aug 31 2004, 9:36 PM)
I agree. As a Christian, you don't HAVE to be good to go to heaven. Jesus died on the cross so that we would have the safety gate to heaven THROUGH HIM. If you believe in Jesus and have faith in Him, you WILL be guarenteed a passageway to heaven, regardless of what you've done. Hell was created for Satan and his demons. If you DO NOT believe in Jesus and have faith in Him, then that is where you will go. In the Bible, Jesus forgave a woman who committed adultery and let her into heaven... why? Because she BELIEVED. Yeah... so that's it. LOL

Hell doesn't exist, but let's say it did.

So according to you, every good moral person who lived before Jesus went to Hell. How about the tribes that live in places like the Amazon and Indonesia and who may have absolutely no contact with the outside world. They never have heard of Christ or the Christian God for that matter. Do these people go to Hell? Do the people of other religions -- Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. -- go to Hell because they were brought up with other beliefs?

This has to be one of the most ignorant comments I have read so far.
MusicalAngel
That is the sole difference between Christianity and other religions... we all believe in a God, but in Christianity, Jesus paid the dues for us to go to heaven. He died on the cross and sacrificed himself... no other relgion pays the price like he did. I'm just saying what i was taught... i'm not trying to pick a fight here or anything. I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't have to be GOOD or EARN your way into heaven. As long as you believe in Jesus Christ then you have a safeway into heaven- GRANTED of course that you believe in the Lord, Jesus Christ. Jesus loves us no matter what mistakes we make. He is forgiving... and loves us unconditionally. That's what it says in the Bible. When He died on the cross God said... IT IS DONE. What is done? The deal is sealed. We have a safety way into heaven... because Jesus paid the price.

I tried to be more specific so that you could understand it. But i will say again that i'm not trying to pick a fight or be ignorant. I'm just stating what the Bible says. That's all.
gerundio
QUOTE(MusicalAngel @ Aug 31 2004, 11:03 PM)
That is the sole difference between Christianity and other religions... we all believe in a God, but in Christianity, Jesus paid the dues for us to go to heaven. He died on the cross and sacrificed himself... no other relgion pays the price like he did. I'm just saying what i was taught... i'm not trying to pick a fight here or anything. I'm just trying to get you to understand that you don't have to be GOOD or EARN your way into heaven. As long as you believe in Jesus Christ then you have a safeway into heaven- GRANTED of course that you believe in the Lord, Jesus Christ. Jesus loves us no matter what mistakes we make. He is forgiving... and loves us unconditionally. That's what it says in the Bible. When He died on the cross God said... IT IS DONE. What is done? The deal is sealed. We have a safety way into heaven... because Jesus paid the price.

I tried to be more specific so that you could understand it. But i will say again that i'm not trying to pick a fight or be ignorant. I'm just stating what the Bible says. That's all.

You in no way answered the questions I asked.
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