QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Aug 1 2006, 12:27 AM)

i actually made that statement to give you some insight of what you come off as to some people when you basically put your opinion above others on what a good movie is. part of the point was that, do you even realize, that you are calling a whole academy of movie critics "sucky" and you sir, are indeed correct, at all times?
I believe that I am quite a bit more knowledgeable when it comes to film and cinema than the average individual, especially in comparison to my peers. I spend time learning and studying the art. I am also active in serious critical analysis.
It was never my intention, nor do I believe that it appeared that I was implying, that I am always correct. That would be a terrible mistake. However, I do believe it is meaningful, to a degree, to believe in your evaluation of specific aesthetic points, and or practical arts. Belief in those evaluations should only be amplified by a relevant level of knowledge and understanding of the medium.
What use would it be to assume that my opinion is equal to each and every other opinion if I am to hold it? Not to mention, my opinion is not the same as many others', and as a result, could not possibly be equal to each and every other opinion. I hold it for very specific reasons which I have articulated and can elaborate upon. Of course these propositions can never be of objective truth value, as this is a subjective matter, but it simply is not meaningful to be submissive and weak in one's opinion, given that said opinion is enforced and held.
If we want to have a decent discussion, I should believe thaty my opinion is a good one, just as you believe yours is.
Oh, and to add... the Academy is actually majorly occupired by actors, not "critics."
Members are also not required to even see the films which are nominated before they vote. So, it's really not that serious of an Academy.
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Aug 1 2006, 12:27 AM)

which is the reason why i made the "teenage kid" comment. so that statement i made wasnt exactly about how lord of rings was a better film because of its popularity, im not that stupid. it actually had alittle more behind it than that.
Whether or not it was about popularity, the statement is still a fallacious and meaningless argument. If you want to refute my proposition, focus on my argument. Don't focus on my status as a "teenage kid." Or else, you're just fighting an ad hominem.
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Aug 1 2006, 12:27 AM)

i definately think you would have more rebuttle on the films you try to recomend to people all the time....if only people knew what the hell they were. but for example, i'll name a movie off that you like that i actually have heard of, jackie brown, ive seen jackie brown. but in comparison to lord of the rings, i enjoyed the rings alot more =/. so in my personal opinion, your credibility was already shot.
I welcome a "rebuttle" on my films.
I would also be rather confident in having meaningful discussions on the matter.
It isn't as if I havn't changed my view on many a film over the years. People have helped to convince me, with meaningful argumentation, that certain films I once reguarded, were actually not as great as I had once imagined. It isn't an impossible conception.
I don't see how that you did not enjoy Jackie Brown hurts my "credibility." Now you seem to be a bit hypocritical. On one hand you are saying that I come off as if I believe that my opinions are always correct. But, on another hand, you are saying that my "credibility" is "shot" by the fact that I enjoyed a certain film more than you did yourself. So, are you saying that if I have divergent taste that my credibility is hurt? Doesn't that proposition assume that your opinion is of greater value (more correct) than my own?
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Aug 1 2006, 12:27 AM)

now i think what Brenden meant towards the "thinking more" thing about lotr. most people, that dont like LOTR, would actually prefer movies like, for example "the Ring" or "Harry Potter"
so in comparison to those movies, which is a more in-depth, intelligent film? lord of the rings? or Harry Potter?
You're making some rather odd sweeping generalizations. But, what I think is most curious is the comparisons you are making between films like Lord of the Rings, The Ring, and Harry Potter. As far as I can tell, these films take just about the same level of thought: Just about none whatsoever. None of those movies are that in-depth, or intelligent. They are all pretty standard, rather simple flicks.
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Aug 1 2006, 12:27 AM)

now in my personal opinion, lord of the rings were excellent films. it wasnt uber complex or anything. but that certainly isnt the basis of what makes a good film. but it certainly wasnt for "simpletons". ill give you some films for simpletons, if you want to know some.
You have definately highlighted some interesting aspects of the series. But, the issue I have is that an interesting concept sometimes fails when executed in a shallow manner. The series does not, to my observation, really do any kind of in-depth examination of the human experience or any of the themes or events found on screen. In fact, a large majority of the movie revolves around CGI action sequences (Not to say that these are inherently bad, but to spend three films on them...) punctuated by lame buddy style dialouge and cliche. Beyond its execution, the films sit on very simple cliched themes (I mean, look at the villains. They're bad, we get it). For this reason, mainly, it is a highly regarded film by many different people and, as a result has become rather overrated.
But, I'm interested now. What films are for simpletons, and what is, exactly, the difference between those movies and the Lord of the Rings trilogy?