^ yeah some people are a real joke. I mean i don't have to reply to make some people look crazy and stupid because they already do. It is sad when you have to result to trying to talk about someone when they are stating their opinion.

signing off
~ the f***in loser

it's sad that someone can't read and accuses someone else of making a racist remark towards them when the comment is neither racist nor towards them....

and you're the one that looks stupid, honestly.... you have no idea what you're talkin' about when it comes to this and try to actually argue about it......... you're lost in this whole area when it comes to MC's...

it's also VERY sad that you can claim that you have someone's psychie broken down by the way he posts sh*t (*you're tryna be gangsta - LMAO*)

as I said before: I AM MUCH MORE QUALIFIED IN BREAKING LYRICISM/MC'S/RAPPERS/VERSES DOWN THAN YOU ARE AT PSYCHOANALYZING SOMEONE.... so keep doin' what you're doin' and make yourself look more and more ridiculous while I'll keep doin' what I'm doin' ---------- and makin' you look more and more ridiculous... LMAO

PayCe ~1~

Okay after this I’m let you have this.

If I were the one looking stupid, people would then be replying to me saying things. If you don't recall, you may look back through the pages and see how everyone has been replying to you because you have been making yourself look like an idiot. Plain and simple.



Wow you amaze me. And how would you know this? You are making yourself look crazy read the other post. Some people just don't get it.



Um ok, that is a way of analyzing someone. By the way they write. Research it; you will come to find that people express who they are by the way they write. If writing weren’t a technique in evaluating someone's psyche (btw, it is not spelled psychie) it wouldn't be allowed in the court of law.



Where is it evident that I can't read? If I could I wouldn’t have been able to reply back to every crazy remark and accusation you have made.
I never said it was towards. And as the post of mine above yours never did I state your name nor a pronoun saying he or she.

Really how exactly would I know you are "certified" how do I know that you didn't copy and paste what you said about mcing and also who is to say that what you have said is correct. You have no proof, you cannot make what you are saying the base of your argument because you have no proof.

This whole thing has been about let; people have their best rapper list. Let people listen to whomever they want to without someone trying to jump down their back because their list isn't quite good. People disagree on issues in life. You have to understand that.

But you know what, just for you I'm going to let you have this one. Here you go. I could go on forever but I want to make you happy and let you have this one. So here be happy

LMAO, the reason those people are comin' at me is because my arguments, that are backed by "KNOWLEDGE" (LoL, I know that word bugs ya'll but some people just got it *sike, j/p*) of hip hop, doesn't get into their heads though I explain fact after fact... if we went in front of real hip hop heads, they'd think ya'll are complete morons... but the fact is, ya'll are mainstream heads that think 50 cent, nelly, g-unit, and others are the GREATEST EVER.... LMAO

the only du' that seems to know anything about hip hop seems to be patrick because he actually has listened to REAL TALENT like Immortal Technique and Sage Francis and he agreed with me BUT HE SAID YOU GUYS PROBABLY WEREN'T GOIN' TO CHANGE YA'LL OPINIONS......... but once again, I'm correct....

there's no way ya'll can come at me with knowledge of MCing and actually be correct cuz ya'll don't have that knowledge, PERIOD, point blank, end of STORY!!!


and as for the nonsense about breaking down someone's psychie by reading how they write, those same people that "so called said this" will probably say you need to know more than how they write in order to break them down... even in the court of law, a JURY ISN'T GOIN' TO SEND SOMEONE TO AN ASYLUM OR SAY THEY'RE GANGSTER OR TRYING TO BE BY HOW THEY WRITE!!! F*CKIN' DUMB PEOPLE THESE DAYS.... REGARDLESS, YOU ARE ASSUMING.... AND ASSUMPTIONS ALWAYS BEGIN WITH THE ASS!!! REMEMBER THAT???

AND AS THE OTHER SH*T 'BOUT THE RACIST REMARK SH*T... YOU DID SAY I SAID THAT WORD REGARDLESS OF HOW I SPELLED IT... meaning I was making racist remarks... which I was not so regardless you're a moron for that


and you don't have to believe I'm certified... I copy and pasted that? LMAO... that's somethin' that you're dumbass would do... okay, so seriously, if I didn't know, how would I know what syllable rhyming is? do you know what syllable rhyming is? do you know how to count bars? do you know what complex rhyme patterns are? do you know what complex rhyme / bar structure is? What's the four elements of hip hop? How do you setup two bars with the first line starting off with a rhyme and extending the second bar in order to fill more words? c'mon, get the hell outta here... you have no clue about probably anything I just asked....


And people can listen to whatever the f*ck they want... I don't give a f**k at all BUT, IF YOU'RE GONNA NAME THE TOP 10 BEST RAPPERS, MAKE SOME LOGICAL CHOICES.... NELLY? C'MON NOW.... as I said, I'm doggin' the people that are makin' ridiculous statements: example; YOU (Lil Jon - LMAO - not even a rapper)


and honestly, you ain't lettin' anyone have anything... I took this sh*t a long time ago... you can't argue with me about MCing because you'll lose...

see how everyone that "went at me" couldn't go at the stuff I was sayin'?!?!?! they all said, "OH, well people have their own opinions" and that's all they said.... but they couldn't discredit anything I said except by sayin': "people have their own opinions..."

ACTUALLY TRY TO DISCREDIT WHAT I SAID WITH FACTS ABOUT BEING A RAPPER/MC THAN TRYING TO SAY EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS... YOU CAN'T DO IT CUZ YOU'RE WRONG!!!

Dass muh word
PayCe ~1~

What did you say? can you put that in english please so i can alteast read, not understand because i don't think i could understand what you say, but please wow type in correct english


~the moron,loser, oh whatever i just suck so bad

oh btw i said lil jon-his beats, you should learn how to quote things

Nah, forget it, we'll leave it at you don't understand cuz you don't understand rapping/mcing anyway obviously....

and the stupid Lil Jon comment ONCE AGAIN!!!! for his beats?!?!? a beatmaker IS NOT A RAPPER... HE'S A PRODUCER/ENGINEER... so once again, you're wrong!!!

doesn't make a difference... PayCe ~1~

we'll you and who? (plural)

Obviously i don't, sorry my bad.

Ummmmmmm i as i recall the lil jon and the eastside boys on their cds he is rappin. i though a person who raps is a rapper? my bad, once again, obviously wrong

you and me as in: we'll end it there

ummm... Lil Jon does not rap... he yells sh*t and did the hooks and produced their beats.... did not rap......... rapping is verses of 8-16-whatever amount of bars

Lil Jon doesn't spit verses... he says stuff "OH YEAH!!! ISS LIL JON AND THE EASTSIDE BOYS!!!! YEAH!!!" LMAO and does hooks..... does not rap... I'm hoping you know what a hook is....

tell me what song if he does.......

Will you just quit and let people state their damn opinions. You're the one looking like an idiot by trying to play it off as Mr. Know It All... do you think anyone really cares about what you're saying... that you're schooling us? Please, we're going to stick to our opinions regardless of your so called "Expert Knowledge". Just quit. We're sick of hearing it already, nobody cares.

Oh, and please learn to type/write proper english.... you look silly.

hahahahahaha.....


you know there is a reason rap rhymes with crap





not my type of music.....

It's funny to me. This dude is apperently the godfather of rap (sorry Snoop.) So when you get your record deal, and when I say, "Oh sh*t, his stuff is hot!" I'll come back to this forum and say you were right. Until then, hush.

I don't give a damn about how many bars or how hot the hook is. If the music is good to me, it's good to me. I don't think Lil Jon made "Get Low" just for you to say he sucks.

I'll look silly but I dun' really care what y'all think... and I'll continue no matter what you say so iss pointless... keep goin' if you want



LMAO... I don't care why he made it for... the beats catchy and I didn't say he sucks... I said he doesn't rap... I like his beats cuz they catchy but there are better producers... BUT I NEVER SAID HE SUCKS... I SAID HE AIN'T A RAPPER... the people that rap over his beats 99% of the time suck

1. 2pac [[hands down.. the best rapper ever]]
2. Jay-Z
3. Notorious BIG
4. Eminem
5. Nelly
6. Ludacris
7 - 10. Don't exist yet.

i dont listen to too much rap but i would pick
1.2Pac
2.Eminem
3.Biggie
4.Jay-Z
5.Nas
6.Missy
7.Kanye
8.Andre of Outkast
-Can't think of anymore-
But I think 50 Cent and G-Unit(except for Young Buck) is wack

1.G-Unit
2.Eminem
3.Kanye West
4.Jay-Z
5.2pac
6.Nelly
7.Murphy Lee
8.DMX
9.Chingy
10.Ja Rule Niggaz

!.) Twista of course
2.) Ja Rule
3.) Fabolous

only 3

1. nas
illmatic was a classic... it was written... stillmatic was hot... gods son was hot... streets disciple was

2. talib kweli
blackstar was a classic... so was reflection eternal... and quality was a above average album... and beautiful struggle was hot

3. Rakim
what Pen said... man is a legend

4. Mos Def
blackstgar was once again a classic... black on both sides was and the new danger was bold and im liking it

5. H to the O V
man is yeah a living legend and almost all of his albums were hot... dude knows how to market himself

6. Louis Logic
OH man i liked this kid ever since i heard "Ugly Truth"... sin-a-matic is one of the best albums ever and alcoholism is another great album

7. Em
Really fell on my list after Encore dropped... if he comes back strong.. or even with a gods son esque album.. he will move up

8. Immortal Technique
Intellegent man... Revolutionary Vol 1 was great... and i loved St2ll Revolutionary

9. Common
Even though i didnt really dig electric circus dude is a great rapper

10. ras kass
when the f**k will that man get released?? intellegent man

honorable mention
Myself haha... pharoahe monche... de la soul... E40...


and i aint even going to join in the beef one this thread... its pointless arguing with people who list gunit in their top ten. have fun arguing without me... i learned not to argue with people about rap these days cause i kick more knoledge then them... and what PEN said about malcolm X was funny... also i agree with roxanne though you cant tell other people what their top ten should be... and you should mos definately have NaS in your top ten haha you even said streets disciple was hot

and im still SMH at those who said Nelly was a great rapper... and lil jon was a good rapper... chingy... ahahahhahahahahahhahaha... also BIG had one hot album he is not in my top 10...

and to patrick... g'look on louis logic... if you have sinamatic can you send that to me again? i lost my copy haha... AIM me > Instant Classick

WORD. thats why i dont even argue rap here anymore. i go to hip hop forums and ish when i argue with dudes cause at least they know what they talking about... from now on im just gonna post my opinion and then leave... no use arguing unless its with someone educated and someone who has a decent opinion so i can learn something... or else its like talking to a wall... and i use this quote alot when im talking hip hop here... like Jay-Z says...

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools/ cause people from a distance cant tell who is who"

you really shouldnt argue with these dudes andrew lol... they just going to go on listening to their g-unit and nelly....

Penthenistrument,

I'm not gonna argue with you about who are the world's top 10 rappers. I wouldn't know, but for that matter, neither do you. Think about all the people even more underrepresented. Like, I don't know, have you ever checked out that homeless guy in Zimbabwe? No? Then how can you know he is not a lyrical rapping genius who just doesn't like rapping? You see, you're working on your own monkeysphere. There is no doubt to me that you're very proficient in your field of analyzing rappers. No doubt. But your top 10 list is not true either since you don't know if that homeless guy in Zimbabwe is a rapping genius, just like how a mainstream rap listener doesn't know about the underground rappers.

^ There is no way you can forensically undermine this paragraph's statement ^

So stop being a troll.

BTW, the title of this thread is, "Wat's u top 10 best rapper?"

Yes, it says "u", but I would think "u" is a typo for "ur", not "the".

"Wat's ur top 10 best rappers?"

not the. it says, "ur" That means it's subjective. Not objective. Therefore, it is not your place in this thread to undermine other people's subjective opinion.

So, once again, stop being a troll.

LMFAO... we have to go with what we know... we can't judge people we don't know and as far as MC's that's are dope at the moment and recognizeable at all in the public eye, then I'm not goin' to judge them... like, for instance, I've barely heard this kid Diabolic... maybe 2 or 3 tracks and I can already say he's in my top 10 on dopeness cuz I know what he's capable of droppin' and his lyricism is SO visible in the verses I heard.............

technically, the whole homeless guy thing kinda goes with me at the moment... I'm not a homeless guy 'n shit but regardless, I'm top 10 MC dead or alive... but we'll wait for me to be signed and all that bullsh*t in the new few years......... WATCH FOR AND!

and there's something called an intelligent opinion and a non-intelligent opinion so if the opinion can somehow sway other opinions and is ignorant, then of course it will get dogged

ONCE AGAIN, GET THE F*CK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT NAS BULLSH*T... LMFAO

no way... Illmatic was a classic... It Was Written was dope as f*ck... everything else sucks, though Streets Disciple is cool/solid

Rakim ain't three but he's definitely top 20 ever... he's the TRUTH!!!!!

Kweli ain't 2 (and that's my favorite rapper at the moment) and Mos Def ain't a 4... no way

Common may be the only one I agree on... intelligence doesn't define a rapper (Ras Kass)... Ras Kass ain't bad but he's not one of the best just based on the fact that he doesn't have any of the lyrical shit's down that well... people love his song when he breaks down the history of mankind 'n sh*t but he coulda just been sittin' there in front of an encyclopedia writin' sh*t down... he was rhyme one basic syllable and the bar structure was simple as hell.... plus, so if a scientist starts to rhyme "pre-school rhyming structure" with the most intelligent scientific rhymes, then that makes him the best? NO... he needs flow and lyrical stuff down also... good concepts, and more... yes, his concepts are solid but regardless, his lyrical stuff ain't down there....

you say you've peeped Crooked I and how is he not in your top 10?!?!? LMFAO... the du's top 3 dead or alive EASILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I even left someone's soundclick that has some new sh*t from him in this thread somewhere... go look for it... peep it.........

Copywrite also.....

and yes, Encore killed Em for me but just based on what I know he can do, he's the GOAT as a lyricist/MC/rapper PERIOD

that's it for me

me too

get the f**k out of here with that jayz dickriding bullshit...haha...stillmatic was a hot album with commercial success... you saying ether, one mic, rewind, 2nd childhood, da flyest, and every ghetto weren't hot tracks?

and gods son was great... get down was a perfect demonstration of NaS's storytelling abilities...



the cross was hot... made you loook... last real nigga alive... and i can was something different and positive... and you say what you want about black album... but it wasn't that hot... gods son was way better

and i dunno why dudes hate nastradamus so much it was a hot album... maybe because all his other albums were fire... anyways

I Am was above mediocre and one of nas worst albums.... but still better then anything most people on this topic listen to... it had some commercial shit but quite a few hot songs

you aint giving streets disciple enough credit. you say its "cool/solid".... if you call the beautiful struggle a classic... then streets disciple is a no brainer classic... yall need to appreciate songs like Live Now (i didnt even know nas was the secondlady until i had heard it like 3 times)... Reason... Message to the Feds... American Way... Coon Picnic (ahahaha)... Just a Moment... and thats only the FIRST CD... album of the year IMO

yall need to listen to it again and stop your bias...

and i misread the shit that was accually my ten favorite emcees not my ten best emcees list.. but NaS still tops the list as the GOAT.

but if it was top 10 rappers... it wouldnt be debatable... i agre with pen... but none of yall including myself know the answer to that question... there will be a top 10 rappers but you couldnt list them. if that makes any sense

ludacris, Eminem, Nelly, Usher....that about it.

1. eminem
2. DMX
3-10 dont exist..tis my opinion .

LMFAO... Jay-Z dickriding!?!? Are YOU F*CKIN' SERIOUS!?!?! I didn't even mention him here and he's not even in my top 10 of all time... and I'm dickriding him hard right!?!?! LMFAO

Ether was cool but overrated... One Mic was cool... Rewind was dope... Da Flyest was wack... Every Ghetto was whatever... 2nd Childhood was cool....

God's Son was not great... get the f**k outta here man...

Made You Look was garbage... the remix was better and Jada and Luda (was the best on the track EASILY) outshined his overrated ass..... The Cross was whatever... I hated that Em beat cuz it was so simple... Last Real Nigga Alive was dope... God's Son isn't half the album Black Album is.... get outta here... aside from Change Clothes, every track on that album was better.... beats, flows, just as good lyrically (if not better), and just overall dopeness....

you're dickriding Nas... I'm not dickriding Jay-Z... you're just sayin' I'm dickriding Jay-Z because you're so blinded by how much you love Nas that anyone who doesn't like him and likes Jay-Z must be on Jay-Z's d**k... but once again, I hated him until the first Blueprint came out... and hate on Blueprint 2 all you want but there's a few songs on that album that I think are better than any song Nas has EVER MADE!!! LMFAO... no exaggeration... I think Meet the Parents is EASILY better than anything Nas has ever made... for anyone that hasn't heard that, you need to peep... SICK STORY TELLING ABILITY of Jay-Z is unleashed and REMARKABLE BEAT

nah, and Beautiful Struggle IS MUCH SICKER THAN STREETS DISCIPLE... regardless of what you say.....

and once again, Nas is not the GOAT... NEVER THAT

Usher isn't a rapper.

lolz. usher.

i agree wit PENtheINSTRUMENT, but other than that, this topic made me speechless.

if you aint a jayz rider you just hating then... im a fan of both.. and lets not turn this into a jay vs nas post

meet the parents is a hot song but you sayin that the storytelling on that is better then that of illmatic? you just hating now

and you got your opinions i got mine ... ill do me and you do you

My Top 10 would have to be..

Biggie, Tupac, Rakim, Foxy Brown, MC Lyte, Eminem, LL Cool J, Run DMC, Sugar Hill Gang, and Queen Latifa.

Not just because of their "sick" flows or whatever you posers say, because they also all rap music what it is today.

I never said Meet the Parents showed better story-telling ability than shit from Illmatic but it's just as good if not barely better... beyond that, it's a better song that ANYTHING NAS HAS EVER CREATED!!!! beat, flows, storytelling is just as good if not better, and overall tolerableness (if that's a word) of the song

1. Xzibit
2. 2Pac
3. Biggie Smalls
4. Twista
5. Lil Jon (so cool)
6. Eminem
7. Ludacris
8. J-Kwon
9. Wu Tang Clan
10. Petey Pablo

LMAO damn, I used to be hella dumb.

I agree with PEN. The top 10 rappers are not opinion, they are fact. Like the car metaphor used before, if you collect every car, you can figure out the 10 best cars. They might not be your 10 favorite cars, but they still are the top 10 cars. Just because you think Chingy might be the top 5 rapper, he's not. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Chingy doesn't have complex rhyme structures, doesn't have multis, doesn't have wordplay, nothing. He might make you "show him how you do that right thurr", but he doesn't show anything that would make him a top 10 rapper.

Where does opinion come into play? Charisma is definately based on opinion. Some might find LL Cool J to be arrogant, some might find him to be confident. Some might think a certain line is clever, some might think it's corny. But you can't debate whether a line has multi-sylabble rhymes or not, because this is like Kobe Bryant, it isnt an yes or no question.

But also there are unknown unknowns. Yes, I'm referencing Boondocks but he has a point. There are known knowns (rappers you know), unknown knowns (rappers you don't know, but other people do), and unknown unknowns (rappers that nobody knows). If an unknown unknown is top 10 quality, he is top 10 quality. (No, this is not referring to you Kangsta). He might not be on your top 10 because you don't know him, but he is still top 10.


Those are facts. Some rappers might have them, and some don't. It's not a matter of opinion. And yes, I still think Nas is the GOAT.

f**k it man, nas ain't the goat but he's sure in my top 5. THE GOAT is Rakim or Biggie...lemme put nas in 3rd