I've been hearing a lot of buzz on this lately, even though this isn't exactly a new news item.

For those of you who are well read on the subject, what do you think? The concept of trading a vehicle in for a more fuel efficient vehicle makes sense, but is the price of a pretty expensive bill worth it? How acceptable do you find destroying working vehicles for an up to $4,500 voucher and better fuel efficiency? Is this the best economical decision for the average consumer? How do you think car sales will be affected? Obviously sales will increase, but will funds run out too quickly for the increase in sales to last?

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http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=784946

I like it. You give them a shitty car that you own, they give you a rebate / check to get one of their new electric or gas efficient vehicles. I'm tired of sayin cars smug up the road... and I mean burning oil / black smog.

in a way i think this is good becasue it's adding a boost to the auto industry. it's obviously popular or else they wouldn't have signed and extension to give more money to this program. so on those grounds, i guess it's successful. getting these gas guzzlers off the road is a good thing.


what really irritates me about this is that it's sorta just example of rewarding people who made shitty decisions in the first place. they chose to buy a car that didn't get good gas mileage, and now we get to pay 4,500 bucks for their mistake to go buy a new one. although yeah i realize that what's done is done and this is just water under the bridge anyway so we might as well get over it and try to boost sales.

I didn't bother to get into the details of how that works. But are you claiming that Americans will be taxed or in other words made to pay for other people's new cars via this program?

There was a debate about this on the news, and I thought it was pretty interesting. Apparently a woman's car would have been approved for the program, but it ended up breaking down and since it wasn't running she wasn't allowed to collect any money for it.

I'm surprised people could collect the money (well, technically a discount) if their car isn't even worth $3,500 or $4,500.

i'm pretty sure the money from this program is coming straight out of the stimulus bill and so you know what that means. if i'm wrong someone can correct me though, but if this isn't our economic stimulus bill at work then i don't know what is. i mean it better be becasue at least this is stimulating something lol.

Technically our tax dollars are, in part, funding the program.

I don't know. I haven't seen enough research to fully formulate an opinion regarding increased fuel efficiency and how much of a difference it will actually make. I believe that was supposed to be one of the major selling points. I also think that the funds are going to run out before the economy as a whole sees any significant changes. Sure, bit by bit helps, but this is pretty costly bill, in my opinion.

I can't remember which NPR correspondent I was listening to, but whoever it was, they were interviewing someone who stated that part of the reason this bill had so much positive feedback was because it was pretty much the only thing congress agreed upon.

Eh... I don't like being forced to pay money for stuff. I already have a problem with income tax and federal tax as it is. I'm actually trying to figure out a way I can avoid taxes.

well i mean i guess maybe i disagree with it on a principle level, but at the end of the day we're paying and i'd rather be paying for a program that's creating a boost then one that's a complete failure.

my fitness trainer did this, his old car (pick up truck) had a retail value of $2000 and he got more than $3000 for it and got a scion.

That's illegal.

Constitutionally speaking... taxes without our say/vote on it, is illegal.

That doesn't make tax evasion any less of a federal offense.

Also, if you don't want taxes, move to Ethiopia.

What exactly do you know (not computers, definitely not the Constitution)? Only uneducated people go to prison for tax evasion, why? Because they don't understand the Constitution.. or their lawyers don't. That's why "I" am tryin to figure out "how" I can avoid taxes "Constitutionally... or in other words legally".


The reason why I'm avoiding taxes is so that all the free loaders can stay off my money, along with 10s of thousands of more Americans who refuse this sort of taxation.

Eh.. I'm done with the thread. Off topic just a tad becomes obliviously off topic.

I don't pay my taxes. I spend my working hours copying invoices and paying other people's bills, so I don't feel a need to pay mine. Power to the people!



If there's one thing America-haters should know, it's that the government is money hungry, and they won't let you get away without paying your taxes. You can get a great lawyer, but the government will have better ones.

Tampon, even if you ever figure out a way to legally get away with not paying taxes, the government will go after you. And because you don't run the country, you're going to lose any case against those who do.

man I don't know the details of this plan, but yo if I'm ending up with a brand new car on my lap even with my shitty grades in school last year, then I'm dowwwwwwn

It's retarded, it's already run out money (money which we don't have), and it's reducing the supply of used cars.

I suppose it's great for the individuals who can take advantage of it, but it's not good for society as a whole.