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A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.

The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.

She died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural Wisconsin in March last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.

Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, was convicted earlier this year.

The couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in October.

A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.

'Faith healing'

During the trial, medical experts told the court that Neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.

On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.

"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."

He also said he thought his daughter had had flu or a fever, and that he had not realised how ill she was.

Neumann's lawyer said he had been convinced that his "faith healing" was working, and that he had committed no crime.

The prosecution argued that Neumann had minimised his daughter's illness and that he had allowed her to die as a selfish act of faith.

They said the girl should have been taken to hospital because she was unable to walk, talk, eat or drink.

Instead, an ambulance was only called once the girl had stopped breathing.


sauce

also pix of the father and his pedo smile:
Slightly
pedo smile indeed. that's sad. thumbdown.gif
Teesa
sad.gif mad.gif i remember this when it happened last year. it makes me unbelievably angry. and even angrier that it has happened way too many times already.
Mike
Oh my god.

Oh wait. _unsure.gif
brooklyneast05
what would jesus do? apparently, nothing.



i always wonder what the parents think now. now that they're kid is dead and god didn't come to the rescue after they put all their faith in him.
IWontRapeYou
that "god thought it was her time to go"
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(IWontRapeYou @ Aug 3 2009, 07:46 PM) *
that "god thought it was her time to go"

yeah that probably is their reasoning



it's just so f*cked up. i can't understand it at all.
manny-the-dino
Wth. That's so sad.
dosomethin888
Its okay to pray, but you need to be realistic. This isn't God's fault, its the father's.
brooklyneast05
aka don't look to god when it's really serious. be realistic enough to know he typically doesn't answer those prayers for dying kids anyway.


agreed
emberfly
No, no, no! I understand why he did it. This is just God working in mysterious ways. She will turn up alive soon.
illriginal
Christians never fail to amaze me.
doughnut
oh god that is so sad. her dad is so irresponsible. putting doctor before god? well if you noticed she's not able to walk talk or basically function, doctor would have to come first.

seriously though. how the f*ck do they think god could magically turn his illness away.. looking at that website teesa posted, kid who got stung by bees. what the f*ck? is god going to come and relieve his pain and get rid of the swelling?

well, i dont really think its about being christian. it's about how they are not taking this seriously and how they are too blindly 'faithful'
karmakiller
well, god put doctors on the earth to do something... if they weren't needed he would've made them, right? there is seriously something wrong with these people.
emberfly
QUOTE(karmakiller @ Aug 3 2009, 10:36 PM) *
well, god put doctors on the earth to do something... if they weren't needed he would've made them, right? there is seriously something wrong with these people.



Good point. They were just being too selfish.
Janette
Bullshit at its best.
ToxicTaco
another example of religion clouding logic and reason.
transcendentalism
as a Christian, personally... I think this is stupid.

Pentecostals..
Mikeplyts
Father is bad, very bad. :(
hypnotique
QUOTE(karmakiller @ Aug 3 2009, 10:36 PM) *
well, god put doctors on the earth to do something... if they weren't needed he would've made them, right? there is seriously something wrong with these people.

Love you :P

As a person who does believe that God works in mysterious ways *waits for balls to be jumped on by atheists and otherkin about believing in ghost stories*, God wants you to have faith in him but he doesnt want you to be a complete dumbass and expect to make a miracle all the time in the same way that man perversed the concept of faith and his healing.
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 3 2009, 09:22 PM) *
aka don't look to god when it's really serious. be realistic enough to know he typically doesn't answer those prayers for dying kids anyway.

Maccabee
Havent read all the posts... This guy was an idiot. Sure, I have seen many people healed through prayer but you don't do stupid stuff. God was obviously testing that father. He failed. Hardcore.

Well atleast there is 1 less week person in the world.
transcendentalism
QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 6 2009, 11:32 AM) *
Havent read all the posts... This guy was an idiot. Sure, I have seen many people healed through prayer but you don't do stupid stuff. God was obviously testing that father. He failed. Hardcore.

Well atleast there is 1 less week person in the world.


stop talking kk tnx <3
Mike
LAWL, Ruth's laying the smackdown.
illriginal
QUOTE(doughnut @ Aug 3 2009, 10:56 PM) *
well, i dont really think its about being christian. it's about how they are not taking this seriously and how they are too blindly 'faithful'


It's not even about blind faith... because not one damn Abrahamic religious text tells people to pray to God for cures of illness / injuries. This is stupidity at it's best.


And the guy is American... can't you guys put two and two together? <,<;
Maccabee
QUOTE(transcendentalism @ Aug 6 2009, 06:51 PM) *
stop talking kk tnx <3

Its an opinion.
IWontRapeYou
QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 6 2009, 11:32 AM) *
Havent read all the posts... This guy was an idiot. Sure, I have seen many people healed through prayer but you don't do stupid stuff. God was obviously testing that father. He failed. Hardcore.

Well atleast there is 1 less week person in the world.

wtf does that last part even mean.
brooklyneast05
i think he means children with diabetes are weak and supposed to die
IWontRapeYou
oic. Makes sense. Thx
illriginal
QUOTE(IWontRapeYou @ Aug 6 2009, 08:27 PM) *
oic. Makes since. Thx


Wtf does that mean?
superstitious
/ignore some posts

I worked in a children's emergency room for a year and saw a couple of non treatable patients, due to religious beliefs. There's NOTHING physicians can do. It's horrific to witness. This is particularly true for blood transfusions. Some "faiths" don't allow it.

Kills me.
karmakiller
I'd probably put my kid above my religion. If I had to burn in hell so that my child could live a long and prosperous life by having something simple fixed, or something treated, it'd be worth it.
IWontRapeYou
QUOTE(illriginal @ Aug 6 2009, 07:30 PM) *
Wtf does that mean?

lol meant "sense"
transcendentalism
QUOTE(transcendentalism @ Aug 6 2009, 06:51 PM) *
stop talking kk tnx <3



QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 6 2009, 07:25 PM) *
Its an opinion.


it's an order victory.gif
colddesert
QUOTE(ToxicTaco @ Aug 5 2009, 09:56 AM) *
another example of religion clouding logic and reason.

No, religion didn't cloud his logic. Ignorance did. If he took the time to read the Bible and truly practice his faith then his daughter would probably be alive. He is obviously just some whack job:

"But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
1 Timothy 5:8
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