Sometimes I wonder about changing my party affiliation but then I watch Fox News and silently thank God that I was raised a Democrat.

Who's with me?

I seriously want to stab the person in the face that told Bill O'Reilly that he was freaking awesome and is right about everything.

Then, I want to figure out how Fox News' statisticians come up with their numbers.

LOL i hate foxfive news but it's funny to see them talk about a dog that saved a cat that saved a bunny that ate a bird and became friends with a bat.

^Wait. NO. That would be a seriously awesome story.

Fox cannot accept that Obama is president.

Bill Oreily can kiss my black ass

I was raised among Republicans, and I'm still a sensible person.

The other news channels are just as ridiculous. And a hearty "hahaha" at the above video with Snoop Dogg calling the "ghetto" his neighborhood. I'm sure living in an eight-bedroom mansion is "ghetto" in his world.

If anything, the news makes me glad I don't affiliate myself with either Democrats or Republicans.

I agree that all the news stations are ridiculous but I get a kick out of Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough because they're funny. Bill O'Reilly or or Hannity the Manitee are not. And most of the time they come off as more full of shit than anything on the other channels.

O'Reilly actually has dissenting voices from intelligent people, like Christopher Hitchens. I trust neither one of them for news, especially since the BBC comes on after their timeslots, so if I look at them purely as opinion shows, I'd much rather watch O'Reilly than Olbermann for the diversity of views, since both of the hosts themselves give me a headache.

Yeah. That's the one thing I don't like about Olbermann, he only has guests that agree with his views. I should start watching BBC.

... and Mormons, to boot. I have no idea how I came to be as liberal as I am, but I'm damn glad I turned out this way.

Have you ever seen OutFoxed? Its about how biased Fox news channel is and all their strategies and whatnot. I watched it in my media lit class and I was just like wow. I hate O'Rielly.

http://www.outfoxed.org/

LOL @ Foax news.



LOL @ them saying this is not a big deal. If not, then why report about it?

LOL @ them calling Jay-Z racist over a clever hip hop lyric. "No more white lies, my president is black." People with no or limited hip hop knowledge should not try to criticize lines they do not understand. This is a play of words. Maybe rappers like Lupe should Dumb it down so illogical listeners could understand them better.

On top of this, they start talking about role models in the African-American community. What does this have to do with what Jay and Jeezy said? This is why I can't take Foax news serious.

However, the only thing I will compliment Bill on, is bringing those with opposing views on the show (Including the rappers). On the other hand, it's only for the benefit of better ratings.

O'Reilly isn't even the most partisan one on there. Here, he goes after conservatives and George Bush:



He gets the most attention because he's the loudest. Sean Hannity is far, far more excruciating to watch.

^O'Reilly annoys me particularly due to his anti-hiphop vendetta. He tends to put himself in advantageous positions by intentionally singling out artists who he knows will make complete fools of themselves (Cam'ron, Snoop Dogg).

I concur.

he did get his ass spanked though

^ I love that video. Robert Gibbs is the man.

are you kidding me? they poll their viewers. it's selective sampling.




for one, hitchens, in that instance, had a barely dissenting voice. to begin the interview by affirming his support of a war in iraq is a tad laughable. further, the interview was actually rather atypical in that bill rarely cut hitchens off, didn't cut his mic, & didn't scream like an ape @ him. when bill o'reilly has a "dissenting" view on his station it's a lot like kent hovind (or some equally infamous creationist) debating richard dawkins (or some equally infamous evolutionist) in a church flooding over the sides with self-described "sinners." bill o'reilly knows that it doesn't matter what he says in the debate or the interview, insofar as his flexes his moron muscles & barks like a dog... everyone watching his show has already decided who they disagree with & who they agree with. there is a good reason richard dawkins refuses to debate kent hovind.

Disagreeing with the intrinsic point of what the topic is even about is not "barely dissenting". Ah, but you said "a barely dissenting voice". Yes, the tone of the exchange was not knee-jerk and reactionary. If I want that kind of a circus, I'll watch something that doesn't have Hitchens debating on its matter.



Which is every program, so either he's calm and rational on every episode (a hearty "hahaha" to that notion), or he's not akin to doing so against an opposing view. Also, Dawkins has both debated and interviewed people just as fundamentalist as Kent Hovind. Hitchens himself is on record in saying that he's usually disappointed in the degree of alignment that theists try to reach---it's the ones that "really believe this stuff" that make for a more interesting contrast. After Dawkins' The Root of All Evil? documentary, I wouldn't put the same inclination past him, unless you think Ted Haggard is a far more reasoned and conversable fellow.

hitchens, honestly, is nothing spectacular. i haven't heard him, ever, say anything that a million people hadn't said before him, more eloquently & more poignantly. but that's against the point...

i'm simply saying that the tone of the interview was atypical. it was a bad example if you wanted to show what "dissenting voices" look like & or are treated like on bill's show.



interview vs. forum style debate. not the same at all. further, it doesn't really matter, i was just drawing an analogy for the sake of argumentation, it's not designed to be scrutinized on its factual merits.

It wasn't "against" the point but beside it, and of all the things you can direct at Christopher Hitchens, bearing repetitious and tired views isn't one of them, or else he wouldn't be frequently mislabeled as either a staunch conservative or a committed leftist on the programs he grants interviews to. Hitchens rules.

So then---how coincidental that out of the myriad of examples, I just happened to choose the elusively rare one. Even if that was the exception instead of the rule, that would be all I need to say, "There are instances of debate to the point where I can actually identify what words are being enunciated, which is more than the other show", since it only takes one line with true premises and a false conclusion to establish the invalidity of an invalid inference. But now I wonder how far my luck can go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wECRvNRquvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4P7lDIvbA

Wasn't very hard, especially since I don't particularly like or watch Bill O'Reilly a whole lot.



You first brought up any notion of a formal debate, and Ted Haggard wasn't an example of that. Dawkins interviewed him face-to-face in the documentary after a church service.

Also, anything that must be granted a pass on the examination of its "factual merits" isn't a real point.

you're the kind of person that doesn't like house-rules because they aren't in the instruction manual.

Can we return this topic to Fox News?

YES! i am very much with you :)