Well, you realize, this is why I picked on your typing. If you want people to understand what you're saying, you need to explain it coherently. But please, don't feed me this crap about not getting respect when you're going out of your way to argue with my perfectly valid points.

If it were to be legalized, there would be an age limit on it, just like alcohol and cigarettes. Dealers don't ID, stores do.

that doesn't even make sense in the instances that marijuana would be used for medicine. feeling better is the reason to use it. the legal medicine i take now for my back doesn't make it better, it reduces the pain. it's not making me healthier it's making my life easier. there isn't going to be medicine that is going to make it better, ever, because it'd take spinal surgery.

there's a difference, but it's completely irrelevant in most if not all cases it would be used medically in. it's like saying we shouldn't use pain killers, period, because they aren't healing the problem.

so how's it a desperate as hell ditch move?

How many people can you say actually die from marijuana. None.
Im talking about from the drug itself not the " im going to go jump off a building because i was high" type of death.
And thats why it should be legal so that doctors can prescribe it and give the patient the right amount, level of thc for whatever reason they need it.

^seriously. it's stupid as hell. that's why this abuse argument makes no sense to me. you can go abuse the marijuana and it's not going to kill you from just abusing it itself. you can go abuse the medicine they currently assign for most of these medical reasons and you'll f*cking overdose and die.

so it's completely backwards sounding to me to say we shouldn't legalize it becuase it might get abused, even though we have the more dangerous abusive medicine legalized now.

It doesn't even have to be prescribed for people to overdose you can f*cking overdose on some damn ibuprofen.

I just really want to know some reasons why it shouldn't be legalize because the reasons some people are giving on here is ahh let me say bullshit...SO when someone comes up with a reason besides ppl will abuse it and its "BAD" let me kn0 =)

exactly.

i was about to write a long essay about how everybody's reasons were either 1) not correct or 2) stupid. but then decided to get high instead.

jk, but still.

What do you mean by this?

Do you mean simply that you don't need marijuana to be productive? Our society manufacturers and sells a lot of things that make life more enjoyable, but don't contribute to productivity. I drink a lot of Mountain Dew. I like Mountain Dew, but it's not necessary for me to be productive. Neither are movies or music, but it sure as hell makes life more fun to have movies to watch and music to listen to. Xboxes aren't necessary to be productive, either, but I sure do enjoy playing the Xbox from time to time.

Then again, if people aren't happy, they aren't going to be productive, either -- so maybe anything that makes people happy is productive. But I digress.

At any rate, I don't mean to make assumptions, but I fear you're implying that anyone who smokes marijuana is unproductive. And that's simply not true. Don't believe the lies: many pot smokers are functional, productive members of society.

just to give you remind you, your f*cking incompetent shit stain, how the f*ck can you compare weed to lions? ROFL they are kittens at best, so sit your ass down and suck on daddys cock

read the f*ckin post and fix your incompetent shitty as grammar, then suck your own inexistent cock then talk

you didn't reply to my post of actual content asking you a question about your argument but you replied to his. good job.

look whose talking you ugly fat ass f*ck, what, did you accidently swallow all those cocks you sucked? go back to getting off watching your dad jerk off your dog

^^ if you honestly have to revert to sucking cocks as a last minute effort to save yourself from looking like an idiot, then next time just post something relevent to the thread, or just ask for forgiveness, dont go around acting stupid


well marijuana dosent need to be used to get the same effects, as I stated in a post earlier, chemical by products from marijuana are used to make treatment for cancer patients. Also I called it a last minute ditched move because I thought paperplane's post was talking about pharmaceutical companies using lobbying to get marijuana, which if it were pharmaceutical companies actually doing that, then it would look like a desperate move. People already take marijuana legally through cannabis cards, and making marijuana legal to the public would undermine what having a cannabis card actually means, because although I do not have stats, Im pretty sure that although marijuana relieves pain, the people who actually need it is almost close to zero, Im 16 JC and although you said that, if anyone is over 16 and thinks marijuana is "bad" then they are technically immature, I dont think marijuana is as bad as what people think, the only reason why I have issues with marijuana is because 99% of my friends who drop 130 pills (average) found their roots from pot and people who use marijuana are probably going to experiment for a better high and I think the addictive side of it is more dangerous then the technical treatment side of it, which is what I fear because I have personal experience.

Wow, do you not enough of a life that you have to carry on telling people to suck your cock? Get over it.

Ya, marajuana doesnt kill people but it has been known to keep people in a slump, keep them from graduating high school cause they are sneaking off to smoke it. And dont even say well .. "If we legalize it they wont have to miss school" cause I can gaurantee that if weed was legalized, they would have to restrict it to homes. No one wants their kids around cigarette smoke, let alone weed smoke. No way we would have people smoking it in parks, in front of movie theatres, around children.

Cigarettes and Marajuana are different. Many people look down on marajuana way more than cigarettes. Cigs have been legalized for a long time and they already have been banned from reataurants and even some bars.

And you think that marajuana would lend to a more functional society? Having marajuana lagalized.. people smoking it on street corners. That will definetely add to the look of the US. Ya, right.

And I really hope paperplane can look past the few grammatical mistakes I did make. God forbid she doesnt understand what I wrote.


And the whole killer weed thing, My dad wrote that. HAHAHA. He thought your guys responses were funny.. he laughed when he read "dawg."

thank you :] you are like the only person who seems to be understanding both sides of anything on createblog :]

why do we need to mess with chemical by products when we can just smoke it and get the effect? i don't to pay for some company to make me some chemical byproducts and charge me 4 times the price when i could just smoke the actual thing and get relief.




i'm still confused about that but i'll go reread you guys conversation on that



it's not legal in all states that i know of...



not really, because of my last statement



why do you think almost zero people need pain relief? how does that make sense?




well i have personal experience with being in pain having to take real addictive drugs! you have personal experience...with weed? or what, i'm confused by what you meant you have personal experience.

i think if you're 16 and you don't understand there are diffferent levels of drugs, then you're immature, yes. that's what i meant. i don't care about your friends though. if your friends do that shit, then they are idiots. no offense, this is just how it is. why do i need to be addicted to pain killer if i could be smoking something way less toxic/addicting/ect just because some idiot kids make bad decisions? who cares about them, they have parents for a reason, they should do their jobs.

i don't care if stupid people make stupid decisions. i don't know why others have to be held back because of that. i don't want to be limited by dumbass kids somewhere i don't know.

Oh, wow. Thanks:) I never get positive feedback on here.. okay maybe like once? But I dont remember the instince specifically.

i don't think it keeps them in a slump, i think their own personality/self keeps them in one. i've known people who smoke who are normal, fine hardworking people. i think lazy people are lazy in general and will continue to be regardless.

i wouldn't want people smoking it in parks, around children, ect...just like i don't want them smoking cigarettes like that. i'd assume that the same smoking regulations about smoking in public places would apply as they do now to cigarettes. i'd hope so anyway.

Ya, I dont agree with you. I think everyone has the same chance of stopping smoking if they want. No one is less lazy or more lazy. They have the choice to get off their ass and go to school or go and get a job. But... some people just like to live with bare minimum and rely on others or the govt. for things.

well actually since it is a by product it would be cheaper, because its a by product not a product made from actual marijuana leaves, when I say I have personal experience I mean testing it, but I never did it anymore afterwards, just once, but even adults make stupid decision because not everyone might look at this issue the same way as you and if cannabis cards are not legal in all states then I think this issue should be an issue on the state government level , not national level and I say the zero percent thing, because I believe the developments of modern medicine in other countries and even the US is higher then using marijuana for relief,
(the US only a bit higher). We raise awareness for cancer and raise millions of dollars because we want improvements in modern medicine to end cancer and I simply think that using marijuana is a huge step back because other medicines (might not have as powerful of an effect as marijuana) have already been developed for treatment, and almost everyone on CB probably participated in some event for cancer treatment and or drug awareness, and Im just not trying to be hypocrite by legalizing marijuana, when all my life (after my personal experience) I have been opposing of it.

yeah i don't know, i don't think i get what you're whole statement has to do with marijuana though.

did i say everyone didn't have the same chance of stopping smoking? i don't get where that came from, but i do think some people are more lazy than others. i think that's their choice to be that way obviously, but it's still how it is. some people are lazy and some people aren't. if you're a lazy idiot who smokes all the time then that's your choice to be that. it doesn't mean everyone who ever smokes is that way. plenty of smoking people have jobs and don't live off the government...

I just asked my brother is we should legalize it, He said hell yes.

Thats true.


I double posted. Sorry. Please dont warn me. Again.

i don't think it's a step back though. i'm not saying lets stop all research on medicine and cures and just smoke weed instead. i'm saying why not let people use it as a relief until we have something else? you see what i mean? i'm not saying it's a cure for something or should stop technology. it just seems like if we have it and it works for some people why not let them use that.

yea, I wasnt implying lets stop development Im just saying that society has been fine with illegal marijuana up until now, why legalize it now? what would be the difference? because the only people who will actually take marijuana when prescribed to them are going to be the idiots, I know for a fact that if I had a disease and my doctor prescribed marijuana, then I would ask for something different, cause I dont like it and I know its detrimental to my emotional health, even if it improves my physical health.

you apparently haven't comprehended basically anything i've said. why legalize it now?

read carefully

BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WANT PAIN RELIEF, ECT, WITHOUT BEING f*ckING PHYSICALLY DEPENDENT ON THEIR CURRENT PRESCRIBED MEDICINE. MARIJUANA IS NOT PHYSICALLY DEPENDENT. THE MEDICINE I TAKE NOW IS MORE DANGEROUS AND ADDICTIVE THAN MARIJUANA. SO, I WOULD BE AN IDIOT APPARENTLY FOR WANTING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS HARMFUL TO ME?


i'm with kevin and nicki now. stfu

Thats a good point. Why legalize it now? I think it is because of how liberal the US is becoming.

yeah because something being one way means it should never change.

trust me, there are probably many different types of pain relievers that are safer than marijuana,the medicine that these people are taking probably have alternatives, then why not ban the medicine their taking right now? why legalize marijuana insteading of banning what they are currently taking? always trying to find relief instead of actually trying to tackle the issue would be more irrational in my opinion. Also there might be a reason that the FDA approved of whatever medicine your talking about and the reason they approved that medicine and made marijuana illegal is probably not even pointed out in this thread anyways and we are probably arguing over a broad statement without the facts, so for anyone in this thread to call anyone wrong would be irrational.

I never said that, Im completely for change like gay marriage, Im not a conservative, unless you can prove to me that there is not a single treatment of relief that is safer then marijuana, then I'm not going to agree with you.

I was wondering how long it was gonna take.

until what? until i got tired of saying the same thing over and over? it's absolutely ridiculous and missing the point to say all this crap about how we need to prove there is no possible other medicine to use before we let medical patients use something that's not even more harmful than what they are already using.

it makes no sense to have this incredibly high standard for something so lightweight

well dont you want to support your statements and at least give evidence that marijuana is necessary? it does make sense to have incredibly high standards because not everyone is JC:]

and obviously if it were lightweight, we wouldnt be having this convo right now

what the f*ck are you talking about?

it doesn't have to be necessary to beneficial. i've given an example f*cking a million times over. it wouldn't be necessary that i use it becuase i have medicine now that i already use, so it's not NECESSARY. but it would be NICE and BENEFICIAL and POSITIVE to use something NOT ADDICTIVE.

why are you so hung up on it having to be NECESSARY as in there isn't any other choice before you're for it.

it is lightweight, that's why it's not ranked as a hard drug. ffs. if you think it's a hard drug you're an idiot, we already went over that.


stop double posting

how many people is it actually beneficial for? have you ever thought about how many people might not find this beneficial?
if its just nice, is there really a reason to legalize it? no. its nice to the 2% of the population of cancer patients who actually use it.
you have to realize that there is going to be huge opposition which dosent make it a lightweight issue, you honestly dont expect society to agree with you do you? So if we let it pass, you think people are going to go quietly about the issue? Its a wrong move and we all know that, either
a) the government changes everyones perspective about the drug,
or
b) keep the law, the way it is.

it's not only for cancer patients....wtf? where the hell did you come up with that

edit: not limited to cancer patients

What about candy? What's candy good for? All candy does is contribute to the obesity of this already obese country. Is it beneficial? i think not.



You're forgetting about the alcohol Prohibition, aren't you. Read up on your history, son.

Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have got to be joking.

Candy is not like a drug in the slightest.

is candy detrimental to your emotional health? I think not
and for alcohol, that was passed after people's perspective of alcohol changed so there was a new normal, as of right now making marijuana legal would startle alot of people, eventually one day marijuana will be legal but right now is to premature (same case as alcolhol) and we are talking about medicinal uses for marijuana, which alcohol and candy have no relationship with.

no we're not. we're talking about legalizing marijuana. nothing in the title or the OP does it says we're talking about marijuana specific to medical cases.

exactly, so if marijuana does not have a need to be used for medical cases what does it need to be used for? getting high?

yeah. what's wrong with that? getting high is fun. if you're gonna use that as an argument, maybe you might want to take a second to petition the banning of cigarettes and alcohol while you're at it.

anyways, i'm not going to repeat stuff that's already been said in the thread, as i feel like that's a waste of time.

you complained earlier about people disrespecting you, yeah? maybe if you grew a brain and learned how to read and interpret information and other peoples' arguments, you'd realize that you're going around in circles and just not getting it.

the end.

i'm done. grow up a little before you decide to play with the big kids. thanks.

Ya cause the immature ones are staying away from drugs :/

no..but its not like legalizing marijuana will have benefits..
however, it quite possibly could be detrimental.
what are some legitimate benefits of legalizing it besides "medical" reasons?

read the thread?

just because you have to be immature about the fact that you wont respect the fact that youf post were complete bullshit dosent make anyone a "big kid" get over yourself seriously.

1. If we actually lived in a country that was free, then why do we have any leglislation at all, we might as well say murder is beneficial, because we could be killing people who could have been a threat and that would be considered constitutional?

2. The black market is necessary. Mafias and black markets have always played a strategic role to the economy and private industries which is why this country's government hasnt put a stop to it. If we really wanted to destroy the black market, we would have, but they can be beneficial in other ways.

3. 50% is big number which, I do not agree with, but whether they were illegal drug offenders, or illegal computer hackers, there will always be innocent people who are offended of something. Legalizing Marijuana does not get rid of the fact of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, or simply having bad luck, its just reality.

4. I believe stem cell research will be more beneficial, so why was it vetoed?

5. this needless war actually will help stimulate jobs and will help preserve jobs.

6. Thank you for thinking besides just the techincalitites of this debate and rather looking at it as a whole, you make debating fun, not frustrating :]

Erm, because ovbiously some of the medicine that is out isn't helping very much. =)
And pills? no thats not safer than marijuana. You can't overdose on weed, ya dig?

Murder is different. If you murder someone, you are encroaching on their right to live. You don't have an inalienable right to unilaterally take away the rights of others. Murder could be beneficial, but we already allow murder in certain specific cases (e.g, self-defense).


Black markets obviously don't pay taxes, so how is this in any way beneficial? I suppose you could say that this market "creates jobs", but it's not like anyone really sees the benefits of such markets. Legalizing marijuana, on the other hand, would generate tax revenue and create jobs. I don't think the creation of jobs is necessarily a compelling reason to legalize marijuana, but claiming that the underground drug market is important for the economy isn't a compelling reason to keep marijuana illegal.


You're missing the point: Most drug offenders are not violent. Most are not threats to society. They're just people who wanted to do something on their own private time, but the government stepped in and arbitrarily decided that they're not allowed to do something that's not harming anyone else. Therefore, we spend millions of dollars (maybe even more -- I don't have statistics handy) and a majority of prison space to imprison people who are no threat. Do we really want -- or need -- to be spending that kind of money to lock these people up? Furthermore, merely prosecuting these cases takes up time and money in the court system which could be better spent addressing "real" cases.


Fallacy of false dilemma: the choice isn't "either we legalize marijuana or we allow support cell research". We could easily do both. For the record, I think we should support stem cell research.


I don't think we need to infringe on the personal rights of Americans in order to create jobs. If jobs are important, legalize marijuana, then use the money saved from fighting it, and the money saved from incarcerating non-violent drug offenders, and use it to build dams or bridges or roads, or remodel schools, or develop alternative energy sources, or something else that will create jobs and be helpful to society.