Ooh I see.. yeah, most ppl were affected, I'm guessing..


AHHHH *runs around screaming with hand still in her mouth*

well, we took out their government. if we leave now there will be a bloody civil war.


it'd be funny if we started calling iraq bush's nam.

There's already a civil war? Why should our soldiers be dying for them?

they shouldn't

but what are we to do? pull out have have all the countries that don't already hate us hate us?

virtually every country would dismiss our humanitarian 'motives' and become enemys with us.

not that we don't deserve it, if we were to leave them with a weak government and no soilders.

we have to train an iraqi army, which is loyal to the new government.

then we can leave.

I dont know.. its a lose-lose situation..

We've already spent so much on it.. so much in monetary costs.. human costs.. I would just forget about what other countries think and pull out

yea, it was a mistake, but there isn't much we can do now.

We can cut our losses and pull out..

Because we're unsure of what can happen.

I mean lets say that we pulled out right now, but a couple of days later, because of the unstable govern. they fall to the hands of terrorists... then we'd have to waste money sending troops back there...

Okay, I seriously need some brain juice.. I can't think anymore... give me some of your... uh I mean... vitamin C... that's it.

Whoa there.. calm down..

The words were harsh, but your response was equally so..

And its not "kill people because they're not like you"; they have a disease.. the logic works.. kill the hosts, stop the disease from spreading, stop the disease.. although I admit, it is extremely harsh..

There are so many bad stereotypes about africa. Ive been there for missions and alot of that IS bs. Im talking about the people who say africa is bad. Im with suzzette

Quoted from oneonly101, who already fixed that wrongly given 'statistic'.



The problem isn't about how stereotype people are, because, truth be told, stereotyping comes naturally to us ALL. The real question being addressed is whether or not the US help Africa enough with Aids.

Now then, notice that I bolded the word "help". There is absolutely NO obligation to help anyone, except the obligation to our moral values and ethics. We've been helping Africa by ways of education, information, treatment, sending our doctors, nurses, volunteers, and med interns there... etc

What more can we do? Give the country a certain percentage of our yearly income? Or what's even more ludicris: give one billion dollars because some said we have to, compare to most of Europe who contributes with that very same amount.

The USA (1 country)=$1 billion
Europe (MORE than 1 country)=$1 billion

According to this source, 1.1 billion Africans live on "less than a dollar a day, and 2.7 billion without access to proper sanitation". I must ask you to enlighten me on why that is.

This should be a world's effort to fight Aids, not just America and Europe. Why? Because to slow down the spread, everyone must have knowledge of how and why, or else, it will seem like the US is 'IMPOSING' our views on other cultures. We've been accused of that for a long time, and though this accusation has a some merit, I do not want to see our effort in helping turn out to be someone's idea of us trying to dominate the world.

That's very nice of you to say that, but how do we know what you're saying isn't more crap?

We have no way of confriming that what you say is true, because most likely it isn't.





^^^^ Now, does that sound as hateful and annoying to you as it was to me? I'm sorry, but you need to calm down first.

FIRSTLY, The statistics was given by oneonly101, therefore, ask her to confirm it with a source.

SECONDLY, the link I cited was CBS News, which can be a little more accurate that what you've been saying.

THIRDLY, do you think Africa is the only country with people dying of Aids? If so, you need to get out more.

Prove to me that I'm copying and pasting. Atleast I'm smart enough to "copy and paste" from reliable sources, rather than spouting of NONSENSE, because of my emotional problems.

So.. you're saying that CBS made that up? I mean, this could be libel, and you could be sued for saying so.




Excuse me for misusing a word, I'm so ashamed. Okay, not really. But what does miswording have anything to do with Africa and Aids? You're still not making a point.



I can understand that, but why don't you take it out on CBS?

And yet, I still don't understand your point, if you even have one that is?

And MY POINT:

Why then do people look to America for leading the world against Aids if they don't expect "help"?

If you've been to so many countries in Africa, I'm sure you've seen clinics where AMERICANS and other foreigners are there to help treat for AIDS.

It's kind of LATE to say that Africa don't need help.

I'm basing my "judgements" from the ridiculous news that America MUST give money.

If you don't think Africa needs help, then why do they take money and help provided to them? Gee, I wonder.

i know people who've lived in africa.

it's not like the movies- but it's not compeltely westernized either.


the money was for the global fight against AIDS. that would be, promoting condom use, and educating about AIDS.

it's not trying to cure the people with AIDS already- that'd cost too much.

it's for halting the spread of AIDS.

So you're saying that the countries in Africa don't need money or help to fight the war against AIDS?

africa is not dysfunctional and is not a country.

wuuu Ibo representin. ;).



just a little thing: yeah the countries take the money, but it sure isn't being used to help the people. Man, in Nigeria the government and its leaders are so corrupt, they take money for themselves. But Nigeria doesn't really receive aids money so...

Also, i got my facts from avert.org, but even besides that there is no way for us to really know the precent because we don't have regular census like in the u.s. where it shows how many poeple are in the country and how many people have such and such.

But then it's not the US's fault that the money is not being distributed fairly. I mean, the fact is that the money used for something else other than what it was meant for because of THEIR government. What more can we do that's within reasoning?




I'm sure it could be a little off, but definately more accurate that 60%, which gave me a laugh.

well, africa isn't the bigest problem anymore.

there still needs to be education there-

but it's asia that's getting the massive new infections.

i didn't mean school

i ment AIDS education- how it's spread, how you can prevent it's spread.

it's needed everywhere.

Agreed.

However, education is one thing, but how can people impliment that knowledge if their governments don't care to help them?

who knows?

but AIDS education and condom use has been proven to almost halt the spread of AIDS.

The reason America's average high school education level is lower than in other countries is because America doesn't ship people off to trade school or the military because they don't do well in middle school.

True... oh so true.

Haha.. and its not like the government's exactly helping either.. we've had so many budget cuts this year..

A lot of good teachers left...

I thought teachers left because of the whole social security or retirement plan problem..? Which has been predicted to be problematic since the program's creation.

I think education first depends on whether or not a person wants to learn.

well, our education overall doesn't look good, but we do have a good literacy percentile, and most of our citizens have a diploma.

Meh.. for a superpower, we should be a lot better..


... I know our teachers were either
a. laid off or
b. forced to quit and find a job elsewhere because of salary cuts

'Tis a real shame..

haha. we don't have any good teachers any more. no one wants to teach. they want to make money. it's our freaking society, doesn't respect teachers anymore.

they need better pay.

i think this needs to be a new topic... but:

As students are ranked by their merits, I think teachers should be paid by merit as well. I'm not so sure that is a good idea, but there are some very good teachers and there are horrible teachers. It's not fair to waste our tax money on incompetent teachers.

how do you rank them? surely not by standardized tests. surely not by thier student's preformace.

i don't see a fair way to rank them.

yea, i'll start a new topic.

Uhhm..well, we're doing the best we can. There's people in our country with AIDS too.

last year my family and i went to south africa on a vacation and when we drove through the villages we saw these children (CHILDREN for god sakes) who were just skin and bone from malnutrition and they were livin in an orphanage but the orphanage couldnt afford to provide the kids with food all the time.. and we went through another city and we saw hundreds of bodies on a pile and we asked our drive what had happend and he said that those people had AIDS and he later went onto tell us that some of the people at the top weren't even dead yet....

there we were in f*ckin south africa on a f*cking hunting trip being selfish. those people need help, and you dont realize what a huge problem it is until you see it for yourself, i mean.. im 18, i can handle alotta stuff, but this was unbelievable... i still cant believe that that many people suffer, and those children

the government officials in africa arent even helping the aids epidemic. They started passing out condoms with the instructions stapled through them. Should we? i think we should support african schools because apparantly there is no helping them now.

i think we should help people in our country rather than just giving our money to other countries to help them

I think that the u.s should be as concerned with the aids/africa as much as we are with the war in iraq

where do you think money comes from? if other countries outside of the US dont invest in our goods then we wouldnt be making nearly as much money as we need to keep the rich people happy. soon big business would wither away and we'd be reduced to a second world country.



you are underestimating the power of America. We have more people out doing things for our country and everyone else's that we don't even notice. We are doing so well that the news focuses only on the bad no one can tell when something good happens. The press is not your friend.