Or this!

i am mad.

Aw, why are you mad?


Hey JC, you're a sensible mod. Would you like to come up to the plate and choose which mod we talk about first?

Actually, technically I did talk them one at a time, there just wasn't a big gap between the two, or a great difference in the message.

I have to say, if this were something which mattered as much to me as it seems to matter to you judging by the time and effort you put into it all, then I'd be ready to, you know, actually discuss it with whoever was willing, rather than screwing around waiting for people to follow my rules like it was all some kind of weird publicity stunt.

But yeah, this way's cool too, I guess. I'm going to bed now, anyway, so if the rest of staff will form an orderly queue and wait for Arjuna to call on them, I'll head to the back again and wallow in my guilt over breaking the rules by giving my responses too quickly.

Nighty-night.

*edit*
Lol, Tung, yeah. That was the kind of thing I had in mind.

i am pretty sensible i must admit that


but i don't think i qualify since i'm not really a real mod. besides, i'm still confused as to what's going on with this "game".

Good night James.










Don't ever wake up.


Oh, just pick a name, any name. It's not a difficult game to play.

nate?

YAY! Congratulations JC, you passed the preliminaries!

-__-




Ok, here we go.

I think Nate's situation is pretty obvious (most of it is in here), but why is it taking so long to figure out what to do with him? It shouldn't take this long.

Juna, I have brought up Nate's problem 3 months ago, and 2 months ago in moderator performances. So you're not the only person who called him out. I have several times in the past, but nobody ever listened to me. I never got a response. And they said they were still discussing it. My guess is nothing will happen, or another 3 months will occur.

JC, remember. What happened to that Probation period that never was discussed?

But yeah....I'm not so sure on what will happen with the rest of the people Juna called out.

Oh yeah, I remember that now, lmao. Wow, hecka slowpoke.


I guess they'll be more of a surprise. But let's stick to Nate for now.

nate isn't even here to my knowledge. since i don't think he's really been around for the upper staff to talk to in much depth about this, then they perhaps are waiting on that? i do not entirely know what the hold up is.

and yeah tung, i duno about that whole thing or what ever went down wiht it. we brought it up like over and over but i guess that's passed lol.

What is there for the upper staff to talk about with Nate though? Nate's activity is low, he talked trash backstage multiple times, and he member bashed multiple times. It should be a pretty easy decision.

you're asking the wrong person (if you're asking me that) since i don't have any jurisdiction on what's done with nate.

Well, looks like the right person has just walked in!

Hi Arjuna. Can we not talk about Nate right now? I'd prefer to talk about someone else.

Sure. Fine by me.
But we'll have to go over Nate eventually.


Choose one.

Dee.

Alrighty!

I like Dee, so Dee, if you happen to be passing over this thread (which you should be, since you're currently an admin), nothing personal, yeah? Just business.

Dee's made several mistakes recently, mishandled tight situations, and on top of that, she blatantly lied to the community just to cover up some people. I mean, I'm not even asking her to pulled off the staff team, I just don't believe she's fit for admin.

The lying part is a big no-no. Should be able to figure that out.

Also, she should be able to negotiate with people before acting on pure opinion.




I'll try and quote things if you guys need to see quotes. Just let me know.

What she said was absolutely justified in that case, though. I said the same thing, that members are not discussed backstage unless it has something to do with a warning or the potential of hiring them. In that case, it was MOTM voting.

Again, although I'm positive I said this, there was no need to have those screenshots blasted all over the forum. It could have just as easily been shared privately with an admin and we would have told you that it wasn't being ignored and that something would be done about it. Nevermind the fact that you somehow got backstage access and decided to take screenshots. Anyway. I just derailed slightly, but my point is that before you showed the screenshots there was no way for Dee to have known what you were talking about. I would have said the same thing, because all I knew was that you guys were fussing over something without any idea what it was.

No offense intended here, but I wonder if the only reason you think she mishandled a few situations is that you were involved. I kind of feel like Dee's being targeted unfairly right now, and I absolutely don't think she should be demoted.

What? I just provided a quote that concerned KC, not me.

Really? Nate's posts and comments haven't concerned you admins at all? If they did, that should've been an easy first place to look.

You were the one who chose to talk about her, lol.




There's also the way Dee handled cB World Language Day. She was quick to assume, didn't give the event a chance, deleted/closed a bunch of topics, and warned a bunch of people (for invalid reasons), all without trying to talk to the people involved to see what was going on.

Arjuna, I just said that his post wasn't overlooked. It certainly was something we were concerned about and we definitely were talking about it. However, from an outside perspective, if you guys were saying that something backstage pissed you off, how on earth are we supposed to know what that was? For all I knew it could've been something mixed in all the discussion about the pokespam.

I chose to talk about Dee first because I feel like out of the three her case is the most bizarre.

I question your motivations in all this, Arjuna, because it doesn't seem like the goal here is to help.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...=207325&hl=

KC specifically mentioned Nate. That should've been a huge hint for where to start looking.

Maybe the admins aren't required to have any investigating skills, but gah dang.



If Dee had handled certain situations like she had more experience, then certain problems would not have to have been prolonged. Like the whole argument before cB World Language Day was dubbed official.

If admins are more carefully chosen, then these problems wouldn't happen.

Besides, why else would I be motivated? It's not like I don't like Dee, and I don't particularly like have to talk about things she's done wrong.

Thomas and Nate also didn't say anything about KC. They were reacting to the situation a month or so back when people were saying that no one should win SMOTM. It wasn't a comment about KC specifically, it was about the members in general and while I admit it was unwarranted, I still understand why Dee said what she did.

how come if i were to say, right now, that i think james is the biggest f****t that ever strolled these forums, and gets ass raped every night for his own pure pleasure, i'd be warned in a heartbeat, but because nate is part of the higher ups, it takes longer to discuss? why should my punishment be based solely on what i said right then and there and me not have a chance to say that what i had posted was justified?

Demoted from staff is slightly different from a 10% warning level increase. =\

how so? i'm not held up to the same standards.

lol, so what if what Nate said wasn't specific to KC. You still don't say that no staff members aren't member bashing backstage. There's 6 screen shots on Nate bashing. That's at least six instances where Dee should've stepped back and maybe thought about things, or at least try to talk to KC. You don't go around acting like everything is under control.

Everything Nate did should add up to more than 20%, and at that point, he shouldn't even get to be an Official Member.

Bottom line, and Rebecca, feel free to step in here and say otherwise - Nothing is going to happen to Dee. I just don't feel like she's done anything to merit a demotion.

I'm trying really hard to be understanding here, so I apologize if I come off as snippy.

I'll IM you.



In the meanwhile, who's NEXT?

i want to move to long beach.

Go make your Cathy Nguyen club, Tung. -__-

I don't understand why Dee's name was brought up, I mean I'll agree about the language day thing that she could have handeled it a bit better but for the record it was the first big thing that she had to deal with as a admin. And overall I think she did fine.

As for that post, personally I didn't even see Nate's posts that were screen shot of in the topic you made a while back. And of course someone should have said something to him about it if someone had caught it, but of course she had no knowledge of it from what I would figure from her post.


Oh also, I saw a post on the other page that there was a probation period that wasn't discussed? Yea, that isn't true at all. We all discussed the probation periods and the admins even PMed the people that were on their probation periods and talked to them and discussed with them what they needed to work on. No one needed to be removed from staff at that point and I don't think we made a bad choice by keeping any of them.

Welcome back, Holly!

Ok, we've figured things out with Dee and Nate. *more waiting ensues*



So, we all know who's last up, yeah?

I'm not going pretend I'm update-to-date with what's going on here, BUT:

Did anyone say anything at all about Nate remarks? You know, like, "dude...chill out with that" or something?

Back when the whole member bashing drama broke out about staffies talking shit backstage, almost every one on staff after that made a effort to avoid member bashing or anything that could be precieved as member bashing backstage. People on staff kindly verbally warned each other all the time when someone was coming close to crossing the line. Does this not happen anymore?

This is nothing against anyone on staff, just asking.

You got a really cool avatar, Kiera.

Where are the screen shots, if I could notice the dates or something I could tell ya.

I don't know, I'm pretty anal about people not talking about others in a negative manner backstage and I usually quote it post it in the topic after them.

And of course the last time I remember doing this was when Trish was on staff, so I haven't seen anyone talk about others unless it was for hiring reasons.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=207367


http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6277/neanderthalud9.jpg

Op, thank you. I was looking in all the other topics AC has made XD


PS - what day were these taken?

...and why couldn't that have been said the 23346457 times it was asked about?

Good question, because I wouldn't know the answer. Perhaps they didn't feel like it should have been a huge community announcement?

Ha ha, but shouldn't the people who were asking about it at least get to know?

Yea, I mean I won't disagree that if you guys were asking about it then it should have been answered. Although I don't agree that you guys should have been told if you were all bitter about it from the beginning.

Like for instance, I remember you guys were all over Natalia's ass when she was hired and said she didn't do anything, etc, etc... but of course we discussed things with her and she made a huge effort to get through the queue training and now I'd say shes a great design staff and I'm happy we didn't get rid of her. Yet of course I got the vibe from the community that you guys would have been mad at us if we told you that we weren't getting rid of anyone and we would have had to hear the endless arguments from you guys I suppose is how I could put it o_O

oh and thanks for the welcome, I see you've been a very busy bee the past while AC. It took me the longest to read all of yours :]

Okay, from the looks of it a lot of the times it seems that Nate's posts were screen shoted from is when we were discussing punishments for members and yes of course some times he shouldn't have added the rude comments about the members but left it strictly to what he thought was a fair punishment and moved on.


So no, Kiera, from what I saw no one told him not to talk about members.


sorry double post

i asked about probation a few times, but i was never all up on natalie, or anyone else i don't believe, to get off staff. i just wanted to know if it was ever followed through

it's ok that no one really ever told me though, it's been forever since a month on staff for them passed.

To respond to Kiera's post, things backstage really have gotten a LOT better. I remember back when I first got on staff, talking about members backstage was a common occurrence, and there was a point when we all decided not to let that happen anymore. It took a while, but I think we've finally gotten there. It really is a much better place now, and I'm sorry that this one incident has tainted our reputation yet again.

Needless to say, when Nate made that post, it did seem out of the ordinary. I'm sorry it's taking so long to do anything about it, but I want everyone to understand that it hasn't been ignored.

I agree with Dani, backstage has changed a lot since like I got put on staff the first time around. I remember back in the day people use to just come out of no where and let out their frustration backstage. But I mean backstage is pretty calm and better we discuss things on how to make cB a better place and what things should be fixed and etc.

Post proof!

Yup. When Natalia was first hired, I was confused. But now, I think she's a good design staff. In fact me and her are cool now, as surprising as that may seem. But yeah. The part I bolded is the difference between Nate and Natalia. 3 months ago when I called him out, I said maybe give him another month to see if he'll improve and try and more effort. But a month later he still didn't. So then I called him out again 2 months ago, and still nothing happened, and I was going to WAIT again and give him another chance to try harder and put more effort. Three months and same stuff.

That's the difference. Natalia tried and succeed, as oppose to Nate. He didn't. He's activity is still low, like was stated 3 months ago.

I have nothing against Nate, even though those screenshots that I read when I found out were mostly directed at me, I don't take offense to it at all. I'm not one to say who should be demoted or not. I leave that to Upper Staff, because I believe in you guys Staff to make the right decision.