what's ridiculous is the amount of money he spends on this site...to just leave it sitting.

I wouldn't go that far Prince. I just think that he needs to have more input on things, and have more of a presence around here.

chammon

Prince, I liked it better when you typed normally in this thread. It was easier to take your seriously.

I agree with Javonn that Jusun's presence is important in keeping this forum alive. I mean, what's with the whole arcade thing? From what I hear, it's been in construction for quite some time...

But maybe Jusun has decided that the forum can go on fine without him, and decided to focus more of his time on other things.

If this is the case, then he needs somebody like Trish, who can really put things into motion without his watching over them.

I agree with Cristy, to a certain extent. I don't think it's sugar-coating to suggest that some of the problem lies with the 'veterans', in fact quite the opposite. It's simply true that many older members, disatisfied about the current state of cB, have turned to complainig about the changes since the old days, bashing newbies (which DOES happen quite a lot, for whatever reason), and turning to in-jokes for entertainment, which are largely, if not entirely impenetrable to many newer members. I don't think the change in cB can be blame entirely on the people who DON'T post, is what I'm saying.

However, I do very much agree with Javonn that ther is an issue here, but I don't think this thread is any kind of help, other than maybe venting some frustrations. This kind of sentiment has been expressed with increasing frequency for the last 18 months or so, with little effect, mainly because people haven't actually doen anything other than express their sentiments, which is fine, but at some point you have to man up and deal. Be the change you want to see in cB, because, unfotunately, the old members AREN'T COMING BACK. So make new ones feel welcome, and build cB back up to a new place. Unless you do that, then this thread is going to be just another pointless waste of time.

Also, yes, the Jusun issue is a major problem at this point. He doesn't need to be here 24/7, but we need some kind of system where we can at least keep things going from the technical view point. And, yes, get th flipping arcade up.

You would be a good person to write those boring monotone speeches that people phase out.

i agree with both sides of the newbie/vetran thing. i don't think the new people who are coming are all that interesting, but i also think the regular/older members in general have a bad attitude 85% of the time.


as far as jusun, i think he would be useful for technical kinda stuff. i duno, i'm probably the only one who thinks jusun isn't all that important. if it wasn't a technically issue, then i actually never really cared for his input. he usually had no basis for his opinion in the first place since he's never here to know the full extent of anything. i don't think the forums need him as much as they just need good content and interested members.

chammon

There's a lot of money in that, so yippee. And frankly, whether or not the speech is boring doesn't change whether or not the content is accurate, so whatever. Most speeches are boring on paper anyway. All in the oratory.


They might be more interesting if they could engage more easily with the general flow of posting. But yeah, I see what you're saying.

And I agree with your thoughts on Jusun, because I've never been one to actively solicit his opinions, but we DO need the technical stuff. If he wants to hand over the responsibilty to someone with more time/commitment, that's cool too, but right now we have a long ass to-do list.

Wait. I remember there was like a whole month period where there was like barely any drama/bashing around the forums, and people started complaining about how dull and boring the forums were because everything was all monotone and "nice."

So now that the bashing and flaming is increasing again, people are complaining about it? What do you people want?

TELL dat beech@ss 2 git att PRINCE yuu..

Actually, a valid question.

he biggest part of the problem is that there is no definable solution, wichis why it falls to the people who are here to try and broaden the community/ We'll probably know what we want whe we see it.

That said, you can't please everyone, and trying will likely lead to some kind of madness.

wuushii

most of it is. :/

I agree with this post as well as James. While I also agree that Jusun isn't all that important, I do agree that he needs to be here for certain things. If not then hand the reigns over to someone who can properly maintain/add to the site ala Trish.

yeah, i agree with that from a technical point of view.

chammon

^ You do realize that he didn't actually suggest Trish for the position, right?

Hence 'ala'.

u do realize shes the only one he had in mind right..

Hence 'ala'.

You do realize that I meant someone like her right?

ooee yee

a lot of realizing going on here

That means 'similar to,' or 'in the manner of'.

chaamon..

First off prince, a fool I am not. James is exactly right by what I meant. Jusun needs to be somebody in control here who can run things and who he can trust like he did with Trish. His lack of communication/upgrading to the site, is not a good look at all.

huu da fukk ezz jizzsun...

Honestly, like JC (I think it was) said, Jusun is only seen as a way for us to deal with the technical stuff. I think that if he was around to do the things that we are waiting on him for (arcade, anyone?) then this site would be a lot better. It is sad, though, that all we need him for is the technical stuff. I think he needs to come back and have more of a say in the way that things are done here. Or hand it over to someone else.

I know my post is long, but did you read any of it? Sugarcoating is not the same thing as being able to look at a situation objectively and comment on it constructively. I said that both the veterans and the newbies are at fault.

To James's post: You're right about a lot of things. This thread has helped us address the issues that are a part of the larger problem on CreateBlog. But admitting the problem isn't enough; you have to actually try and be the change you want to see.

I think a big part of that begins with learning how to speak more courteously. That doesn't mean that you need to mask your opinion (ie. act "fake") or say the opposite of what you really think (ie. sugarcoat). So don't try to use the "but I'm entitled to my own opinion" card. And if you can't reword your opinion in a way that won't offend the person you're criticizing, then simply don't say it.

For example, when someone with looks below average by most people's standards posts in Members' Photos, there's always a few CB members who will reply to say, "you're ugly." It's okay if you think that, but really, it's not that hard to find something else other than their face to compliment them on, or to just not reply at all.

The same ideology can be applied to dealing with newbies as well. Yes, CreateBlog gets a lot of the kind that type "lyke dis," "like this...........," "like this lol!!", you get the idea. Politely suggest that they not type like that, or just keep quiet and move along on the forums.

I have more to say, but I'll add that later. I know I'm long-winded.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's not looking at a situation objectively. That's bullshit equivocation.

You understand that most of the "veterans" acting up is a direct result of the mods being child molestors right? If the mods weren't total failures, I have a feeling the problem would disappear.

Which is exactly why I'm more of a "lurker" here. People who can't type correctly make me want to pull my hair out.

I don't feel like there is a lack of activity here, just a lack of constructive activity. I posted a question in the Wordpress support forum, it still hasn't gotten a reply. I eventually figured it out myself, but isn't that what Createblog is all about? Website support? The site isn't "The Lounge". It is "Createblog". I've always gotten the impression that the design and create portion is what the focus is supposed to be here. Not "omg ur lyke so fuglyy!!111!!!" Sure, the off topic, general forums can be fun, but it isn't where the focus should be.

Someone mentioned the veterans are "growing up". Shouldn't CB grow up as well?

diz forumm ezz findd.. stoppp trippeen..

HAHAHAHAH... wurr u c dat nub... howw boutt u showw princc dat..

I exaggerated obviously. But it does happen.

I wish I would have seen you type normally Prince. That would have been nice.

nah.. princc lykee daa c u bunnii hitt bunnii heed..

I just mentioned this backstage, but my internet is down at home (f**king Comcast) so this is the first time I'm seeing this thread.

I need to read through all the pages carefully, but I have skimmed through some of the responses.

Something Trish and I used to talk about (and Dani as well, if memory serves) is that admins here have halfassed privileges. It's not that we are not capable and it's not that we don't WANT to make changes, it's that we do not have access to make those changes. You guys think it's frustrating? Try being among the few responsible for implementing changes when not given the resources to do anything about it. It is my biggest frustration here, beyond general community issues.

Javonn, there is NOTHING wrong with you posting this thread. If anything, it gets people communicating. I honestly don't give a shit if people rant. f**king rant. I'd rather that in a thread like this than the sprinkling of "cB sucks" all over the damn place. That shit does no good. At least here, people can make an attempt to come together and do something about it.

I've been getting some shit about getting in touch with Jusun (oh no, backstage information!). I tried texting him on the number I saw and it bounced right back. I don't like calling people at their home (if that is indeed his home number), but if that's what it has to come to, so be it.

Regarding seasoned members versus newbs. Newbs, wake up. Don't be afraid of the forumdickery that happens here. It's the goddamn internet. If you seriously let people bully you on a forum, you're f**ked in real life. Seasoned members, stop being such assholes all the time. It's OK to be nice sometimes.

(I'll read/respond more as soon as I get a chance)

*JUMP EN REEBBECCA BED nn CUDDDEL..*

Thank you so much Rebs! Your post got me a little Wet

No, you're all wrong. You know why this place is boring as f**k? Because most of the posts here are bullshit. The bulk of posts, especially in The Lounge and Pictures, are self-aggrandizing "look at me, pay attention to me" posts. CB has become overrun by attention whores.

Once upon a time, the most prominent members of CB were interesting, intelligent folks who had something engaging to say. Now the most prominent members are those who can spam the most and act like they're the coolest people on CB, when really they're just a bunch of self-centered pricks.

^We used to talk about that same thing when it first started happening, or rather, when it first became this big of a problem. What's funny is that back then, people were complaining that it wasn't as good as it was the year before. Now people are complaining that it's not as good as it was then. It's true, this place doesn't feel the same as it did a year ago, two years ago, or even three years ago. Thinking about what it used to be like doesn't help change the problems we're having now, and let's face it - we're driving people away and not doing anything to stop it.

Michael's right. Half (if not more) of the members here read the first post of a topic, respond without reading anything else (except maybe the last couple of posts), and then never post there again. There's no discussion going on, and of course there's nowhere to post when you only post once in a topic and never revisit it. And hell, when people post somewhere and think, "Hmm, I wonder if anyone responded to my post" only to find out that nobody even read it, that doesn't do anything to encourage people to act any differently. The way CB is right now, we have a bunch of people who don't care to read other people's posts, but they all expect other people to read theirs. Do you see where that might be a bit of a problem?

Whoever it is that's proposing we start enforcing the a-hole rules around here, get a f**king clue. Sure, let's send anyone who might be somewhat intelligent packing and attract only douchebags. That's exactly what we want!

I certainly don't have a problem with this topic; if anything I'd prefer to see people talking over problems rather than just stating over and over that they exist like a broken record. I appreciate the constructive responses, and I'm choosing to ignore the idiotic responses from people who clearly didn't take the time to read Javonn's post, much less the rest of the thread. Great job, congratulations on being a part of the problem rather than the solution.

Looks like you guys promoted the wrong people for Head Staff.

Nice job on the deletion of libertie's post.

were not all bad

Go back trying to get Hermione Granger kid.

Ron Weasley will always be twice the man you are.

Is everyone here a jerk?!!... or just tung?!

Aww, come on Tung, give people a break sometimes. <3

Everyone. Including me.



(Well, it depends on who you ask.)

You forgot me? Man. I'm telling Mrs. Weasley not to make you any sweaters for christmas this year, boy. The new crowd isn't that bad, except maybe for you.

I think that may be a good idea, but how would it work? It's not like a bot can decide who is cool and who isn't.

lol karmakiller blocking me on PMs when I tried to discuss making things better.

Thanks for ignoring me mods. Go f**k your mothers!