no offense. half the topics are related to religion, and every topic eventually turns into a stupid bashing session. i think people should earn their right to participate in the debate section.
the debate forum is just turning into a dumping ground. (well, it has been for a while.)

how about you make some other topics then?


i don't disagree with you completely though.

well, i'm doing that right now aren't i?
and everyone's gonna be bitching like, "WAH YOUR BASHING CB *sob*"
so i think we should restrict the debate forum to people who've proven themselves worthy debaters or just kick out all the stupid people from the debate forum.

I like you. You got pix?

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i think it should just be moderated. people making stupid comments and/or bashing should be banned from it or warned.

idk.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=139053

maybe it should also only be open to official members, too?

i meant why don't you make some non-religion debate threads.

If you want change, be the change.

Although that's a cliche thing to say. Also that nobody really knows you, and your complaints and words aren't as strong as say a person like brooklyneast05 for example. Be more active and to the community. It's the truth. I don't think much people are going to care about what you say. It's just how life is. If you aren't "in", then your out.

shit, people know me. i'm radhika!

Well you know Nosex is gonna be havin butt sex with this new guy or girl, whatever.

so why aren't you using your old cb name name? Btw aren't you the girl that dated Anil?

hi radhika. i'm jc


i still think though that if you want to see other threads there, you should make some. i agree there is a lot of religion ones, but those also seem to get a lot of discussion.

i'd like new different debate threads to reply in, but i'm just out of ideas it seems.

being active in the community and being in the "in crowd" aren't the same thing but whatever i think your outlook on who matters and who doesnt is completely f**ked up.

anyway. i dont know if debate is an active enough forum to start forcing people to go through some kind of process of proving themselves to post there . . . the place would be completely dead after doing that

My idea isn't completely f**ked up. In fact it isn't even my idea. It's the damn truth you know damn well it is here around cB. Nobody gives a two cent shit if say someone with reputation or some admin post a Feedback topic on what you guys thought about so and so, compare to some person with 1 post who post the same feedback. Which thread would get the more positive posts? Sorry, but it's the honest truth.

i was just pointing out that you can have a lot of posts and not be in the "in crowd"-and what i got from your post is that only the "in crowd" matters. isnt that what you were saying?

of course i know that if you only have 1 post and run to the feedback forum that noone is going to give a shit. on that i agree.

Sorry I made the error of trying to say the "in crowd". When I said "in" I meant, people who people actually knew to some extent, and not some random person with 1 post. Of course someone who isn't mostly liked or in the "in crowd" is still going to have a reputation and his/her feedback would still be relevant no matter what.

LOL dated anil? hellllll no. that's nasty. anil's my buddy and everything, but i would never date him. and i don't like my old cb name. D:

OK guys seriously let's stay on topic.
HOW are we going to solve the problem with the debate forum? i think we should have moderators clear out all the current threads and start new ones. they should make it exclusive and people can ask permission from the mods to use the forum. the mods can say yes, but if the member does anything stupid continually, they get kicked out. simple enough.

didnt trish do that already? i dont think it worked out very well because most of the topics she made werent posted in.

i think the fact of the matter is that nobody knows how/cares to talk about advanced debate topics except for maybe...4 people?

so then why let EVERYONE in the debate forum?

Because then by your standards only about 5-6 people will be able to meet those. And that forum will be totally dead and unactive? Although it would make the quality of the forum much better, but I don't think debating over numerous topics with only 5-6 people will do any good.

If you want to debate, go to a real debate forum. cB just doesn't have many highly intellectual people.

then get rid of the debate forum.

things don't work like that anil's gf. cb is a democracy.

Usually, if people don't want to post or read the Debate forum, they won't and they don't. Suffice it to say, I see no reason why it should be restricted to the handful of people. I feel like you should do the same and not read the religion topics if you despite them so much. CreateBlog is a community, and I doubt we are going to cater to you.

because cb needs to stay active. only hardcore members are going to go through a process to be able to post in debate and thats not that many people.

i think a better solution would be to have the mods moderate the debate forum and ban members, from debate forums only, who are posting irrelevant comments, topics, etc

agreed

but isn't that what the mods should already be doing in the first place if i'm mistaken?

I still think there should be debate mods.

There're people in the debate forum who spam and make it extremely hard to follow an actual debate by just arguing with each other about something that usually has nothing to do with th original topic.

I don't think it should be as restricted as some people want it, but it really should be more moderated than it is.

things don't work like that anil's gf. cb is a democracy.

uhm, since when? are the moderators elected by the members now? i thought the admins controlled everything. ever heard of the tyranny of the majority?

Usually, if people don't want to post or read the Debate forum, they won't and they don't. Suffice it to say, I see no reason why it should be restricted to the handful of people.

but shouldn't we be encouraging thoughtful, quality posts that will get people engaged and FORCE them to think about their positions and what they're going to say?

Then might as well have a Picture mod, a Fashion Mod, a Relationship Mod, etc. There's spam and stupid post everywhere. And that's what People Staff, and Head Staff, and sometimes Admins are suppose to do. Mod these forums.

i dont know . . . if there are multiple religion threads then they should all be merged and put into a pinned topic or something and add to the rules "NO MORE RELIGION THREADS PLS" and only make new religion threads when the pages reach the maximum get what im sayin.

I get what you're saying. And it's also said on the debate forum.

# PLEASE, search before making new topics--especially popular topics like "God" and "Abortion" etc.
# PLEASE, read through the thread or at least a couple pages before posting. We have to maintain a certain level of maturity in here.


Since as long as I can remember. But of course it's the decision of the current staff members to pick who gets on staff, but hiring is a democracy. People's influences are heavily favored in picking the mods. Like when we have topics like CB IS HIRING, people would post suggestions, and their obligated sometimes or pressured to putting theses people who are suggested on staff. Or that's how it seems like.

Honestly guys, I don't know if this is just me but as a mod I tend to care more about what newcomers think than people who have been here longer. If newcomers are posting in feedback saying something isnt right, then that could be a possible reason why more newcomers arent sticking around. I'm not saying that the debate forum is like a contributing factor to people not sticking around, i'm just saying that this person obviously has an outsider's point of view and i think it should be a valued perspective.

yeah but no one here is a newcomer

I don't think its a bad idea to have just mods that stick around in debate, although we really shouldn't need it. We should have good enough people staff that go in there and mod it. I mean its part of the community center. Sometimes I just think people don't have the guts to go in there because they are scared to get bashed at. I do think it does get under moderated though.

Anyway, I remember a while back we were going to restrict it to people that were "smart" enough, but it got thrown out. Maybe we just need someone that is well respected in debate to be a good people staff for it.

Also for multiple topics, after 6 months people are free to make another topic that was similar. If any sooner than that then it should just be merged, I think the older topics should be closed though so it never is a problem for them to get bumped up to the front page again. I think if its a constant thing where someone is making multiple topics and not searching then they should get at least a verbal warning for it and later a warning if they don't stop. Its just common courtesy.

In the end, I think if you don't like the topics that are being discussed more in, just ignore them and post in the other topics that interest you. Or make new topics.


Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with the "new comer" opinion. Actually I don't see anything different from their opinion than the opinion of some people that have been here for a couple of years. We've had discussions about the debate forum and what should change to make it better, but do these ideas ever fall through? No.

well, we're not discussing the hiring process for mods (which is fucked up, imo, but that's a different issue) but rather, what we can do about the quality of the debate forum.

i say making it exclusive to certain members will do the trick. also, teaching people about different types of rhetorical devices (ad hominem, slippery slope, etc) to help evaluate their arguments before they post them.

i was just replying to what tung and heather were talking about.

Yeah I see where you coming from Trish, but not everyone here is like you. And if they are, they are just being homerish.

We had this idea in the past, but it didn't go through because then we would be restricting it to only a hand full of people. And if new members come around and see that there is some test to be able to post their valued opinion in debate then they may just turn around and leave because meeting the goal.


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older topic:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...ebate&st=25

and most of the time it's the more active members that are causing trouble in there

Well of course its more active members, thats what is making createblog's community right now. Sure the more active members can be harsh from time to time, but in debate its usually because someone didn't follow the rules and they're taking the time to tell the person how stupid they are.

Sure they need to cut the shit and just ignore them, but hey its a forum. One person posts and we reply back to them.

i dont know if anyone has actually been banned from the debate forum, have they?

and i think that topics that are really beaten like a dead horse such as "god" should just be pinned so that its easier to just close any duplicates

Im just sayin it'd be pointless to restrict it in this case because half the people causing problems are more active people. So what kind of people are we supposed to keep out of those forums? I mean what's the criteria here?

^I think that's a good idea. To just pin the topics that are most active and get multiple topics with the same subject. It could be easier to just close and delete the topics.


And no, I don't believe anyone has ever been banned from the debate forum. I don't think its necessary. A proper verbal warning, raised warning, and then mod preview should be good, at least I would hope.




It's the new people that are going in the debate forum and saying something stupid or bringing up the same point someone else did, and the regular members are retaliating.

sub forum of religion/philosophy within the debate forum? And I would encourage other religious people to post an informative thread about the religion they embrace and study. I wouldn't mind learning something new, I'm sure some of us would agree that knowledge of religion would be beneficial for the forum, just for better understanding at least.

well im not saying banned perm.
but you're right something like a mod preview in just the debate forum for people who are acting a fool would be better. its really just all about the staff enforcing it a little bit more than they have been since thats what they are supposed to do anyway. (just for the record im not saying the staff is slacking its an easy thing to over look, the debate forum)

that's the thing, i'm not a newcomer. i was actually a mod at one point.
my old user was radhikaeatsraman. i'm radhika.

Okay Radhika. I think we already established that 20 minutes ago.


Then maybe you should post this in moderator performances. And how the mods aren't doing a good job at being consistent and actually modding the CC.

true true this could also work

I think we need to treat the debate forum like any other forum. If someone is bashing someone in the Lounge should they be banned from the Lounge? I don't think that's fair. If someone wants to bash someone, then they will. Not many newcomers go into the Debate forum. Honestly, I don't blame them. If I was new here and didn't know anyone, I wouldn't be posting in those topics. Then if we ban members who aren't new here and members who are new here don't go in there, the debate forum will die.

I'm not sure you can restrict a mod preview to one forum. But I think we can make the entire debate forum a queue so that we have to approve all things being posted in there by all members.


and i didnt say you were new, again i was just replying to what others were saying.


I don't agree with that.