Should we have a pinned topic thread like Moderator Performance, where we just discuss the current state of cB and what we can do as a community to improve it?

Unban the legends.

Moderator Performances is about the moderators, not the current state of CreateBlog. It just turned into that.

The state of Cb is depended on the moderation of the mods... Just like if we had no government in a country there would be no order. We'd be back in the Wild West era.

What makes your assumptions correct? I'm not going to get into your analogies, but moderators are only a portion of CreateBlog. You can discuss how they handle situations relating to CreateBlog in Moderator Performances. To discuss the overall state of CreateBlog is a different story, and it should involve everyone.

I think that's too broad a topic for one thread. I mean, discussing the state of cB is what the Feedback forum is for, and it's a lot easier to do that coherently in several smaller thread than it would be to sift through one giant thread to address too many issues at once.

A moderator is like the support beams of Cb... they are the ones that keep Cb from falling and becoming just another useless forum board. But whatever, it's just my opinion based on other forum boards who acknowledge the mastery of moderation.

I like this and think it is a worthwhile endeavor. Talking about how we feel about our community can, even if it is a broad topic, outline issues that need to be addressed. I intend to contribute here in the future, with the end goal of finding ways to benefit the community boards here.

I'm not saying that moderators aren't important or aren't useful to a forum. Lumping complaints about all of CreateBlog in general with Moderator Performances will detract from the point of the thread in the first place.

I think you expect too much out of the mods. The mods are here to help out and moderate the forums. Sure, they are involved in a lot of the decision making that goes around here, but it's also up to the community to keep this place alive as well. It doesn't help at all when there are people like you constantly causing trouble. If there's some kind of problem with the community, you (general 'you') are as much to blame as any of the mods.

I'm confused. Did you think Tung meant to talk about cB's current performance within the Moderator's Performance topic?

Hmm. I think I did. Oops.

I believe the reputation system would be very beneficial. This way we can learn exactly who's a good and respectable person and who isn't. Specially if the reputation system doesn't exclude ANY one.

I don't see what that suggestion has to do with what I said, but I do generally like the idea. I had a similar reputation system set up on my own boards before.

In any case, my main point is that I can see how it's easier to blame the mods for cB's shortcomings but this is a community driven website, not a mod driven website. We all share equal responsibility in keeping this place alive.

Instead of criticizing the mods for things that the entire community is responsible for, how about giving them some space so they can do their jobs more efficiently? Take it into your own hands and help us make a better community.

"Be the change you wish to see on CB."

Can't remember who said that at the moment, but it was either Brandon or Arjuna, I think..

It was eGhandi.

GO GO GADGET GHANDI!

And honestly if people stopped creating extra work for the mods by constantly breaking rules that they know they should not be breaking (member bashing, spammimg, posting inappropriate content, etc,) I'm sure that they could spend less time policing the forums and babysitting the members and spend more time talking about what they can do as a team to improve createBlog as a whole.

the community has a shitty negative attitude that feeds off drama and discourages new people from being able to join in. if you aren't in the circle is hard to get into it. so people get tired of their posts being ignored and end up leaving.

the mods aren't responsible for that. that's not to say that they don't contribute, but they aren't the lone reason. so we can critique the mods all day but they are only a small part of the problem. i think a thread or multiple threads to discuss the community is what we need. the community needs to discuss itself. it's a good idea, we should do it.

we need more more quality threads with real content. we need more threads that let everyone join in, not just the hand full of us that know each other.

the community needs to fix itself, not the mods fix the community. that's never going to work.

That's the thing though... mods have got to be more strict, even if their friends are screwin off and startin unnecessary problems. You guys are the cops... you are the government of this forum board... when users get out of line, it's the mods job to put them back in line but when a mod fails to do so... users take advantage of it. Thus makin other users upset... then it becomes a huge chain reaction of needless bull.




Ha... I love you man.

Yeah, really. We (the moderators) can only do so much to try to help CreateBlog if it's the members who have bad attitudes that contribute to the unpleasant forum environment. If certain members are being mean on purpose, then what are we supposed to do? We can warn/punish them, sure, but it's probably not going to change the members' attitudes unless the members themselves make a conscious effort to be more considerate and welcoming.

Exactly, JC.

I think what's absolutely needed here is a general agreement between the members of cB. You guys want this community to succeed? Help each other out. This "inner-circle" of cb can only last for long, and you guys have seen exactly what I'm talking about. If you think that drama is the only thing that drives this website, then CHANGE that. You guys are capable of it.

I don't think that drama drives this website, I think that this tight-knit group of active cBers is actually what drives this website. You guys are valued members of this forum, and people do listen to what you guys have to say (a lot more than people listen to the mods). Because of that, you have a lot of members that get driven away by a lot of what is said around here. Then you have members that try to hold their ground and fight back against some of the drama, only to cause more drama themselves.

Invite more members into the circle. Because you guys can't last forever, like I said. Some of you are going to outgrow cB, as many have done in the past. Don't you see how the circle gets smaller and smaller each year? Is that what you want? Once your little circle dies out, it's game-over and the only people you can blame are yourselves.

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and to respond to your last post tama:

BAN! BAN! BAN! Daily bans, weekly bans, monthly bans, and perma bans.

Warnings shouldn't even exist -.-
Why do you think I laugh when you guys verbally warn me? All you're doin is adding a percentage and a new lil blue square underneath my avatar at MOST. =\


Yeah but pandora.. I'm just one person, sure I get hell bent about morality but damn... you have people makin even worst posts than I ever had. "Cartoon porn"... 'Pedo-bear" "nipple pictures" the list goes on...

Also I find it quite sad that this forum doesn't want people promoting religion yet you allow promoting and glorifyin of atheism

Yeah, because what we REALLY need is a bunch of people angry and bitter about being banned for something small returning from their bans every week and talking about how the place is hella strict an no fun.

We're trying to BUILD a community, not kill off the members one by one.

At the same Tama, you could just NOT do whatever it is that is getting you these warnings. Wouldn't that be a lot easier on both ends? Like I said, you're just as responsible as the mods are.

sorry, i bumped this to the next page and i dont want James' post to be overlooked.

You're doin it by not changin the attitudes of some of these members. You ban someone, it should teach them a lesson not to do it again. That's the point of consequences... to learn from them =\

Erm, that's what I meant by punishment. The point of the warning system is so that the member has a chance to improve his/her behavior before being banned outright. Regarding banning, pretty much ditto James's post. o_O

Trish's "you" could probably be taken to mean the general "you."


I don't think you're aware of how members' posting abilities have been disabled or their accounts suspended for bad behavior in an attempt to teach them a lesson. And again, this goes back to my other post about how sure, moderators can punish misbehaving members, but it's still up to the members themselves to change their behavior.

Yes, it should. However, it has proven not to.

And we, LEARNING FROM THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, are trying something new.

You're idea will not work. It never has, and there is no particular reason to suggest it ever will.

That's funny I can give you a link to a forumboard and you'll see a whole different perspective. Instead of givin someone a one day ban, then they break the rules again and they get another 1 day ban.. you should then proceed to give them a 1 week ban. But whatever you say, you're the superior, I'm nothin but a useless/brainless pawn.




Well good thing I've been doin my part.. haven't received a warning of any sort for the last uh what?... 2 months maybe?, not sure.

OMFG I LOVE YOU.
Im sorry but you cant have the pitchforks and torches all after us.Its not entirely our job to make sure everyone keeps their shit in check..It comes hand in hand that our members understand that extreme spam isn't ok and that posting porn of the forums isn't ok.


Well then that says something about you..If you feel alot of stuff gets out of hand on here then why do you contribute to it.It be understandable if you were a "perfect example" of a member..but you yourself have a history on here..

Ok let's try not to single anyone out. Tama, I was speaking to the general "you" of the community. I said your name because it was a response to what you said. But I think that our main focus here should be what the community can do as a whole to improve, and what things would improve the site as a whole. I don't think it's necessary to point specific people out. If anything, that would be counter-productive.

:P You guys should work on perfecting your moderation skills then.

Alright enough though... I've laid my 2cents, I just hope you guys come up with something soon. There's a lot of members I did enjoy talkin to but now they're gone.

Okay, that's how the other forum handles bad behavior. Applying their methods here wouldn't necessarily work because the other forum's community is different from CreateBlog's. And I wish you'd stop trying to make it seem like we think we're "holier than thou," because we don't. You keep bringing it up simply because we might not agree with you.

isnt that...what the feedback forum is for?

but i could understand possibly making more threads to welcome newcomers and make them feel more welcome and give them something to post about. if anything it couldn't hurt but could possibly be fun to start doing things like this

I agree with this. I myself have been at fault for this and I'm willing to change and quit the "member bashing", "posting forbidden images", etc. If having me stop doing all that will help cB's community grow and be better, than I'm all for it.

We as cB members have to work together and do something to improve the community here, and it isn't just the mods.

sorry i dont think people saw this because it got to the second page too quickly after it was posted:

completely agree!

I would like to just quickly thank you for this. It's a great idea and it sets things apart from staff feedback (not that the two don't coincide).


Agreed. I'll keep reading through this thread and see if I can't touch upon some of the responses in a bit.

well i guess i'll give my feedback of cb's performance.

since the drama from last week has died down, cb is now starting to slow down a bit. i would have to say that it is a good thing because it's giving the new members (or old ones that were in hiding) a chance to come out and be themselves.

i have felt for awhile that certain members of cb were making things a little bit difficult for some to be able to post without the possibility of being critizied or harassed for what they say. now, i'm starting to see new members pop up and post more and all of the old members are still posting but not as much. (i'm guilty for that as well)

well, that's my 2 cents.

Haha, so any news about this topic?

Close OLD threads!!!

News? How about, "Topic Pinned"? =)

You realize that if Tama was banned, this topic would still be at probably post #3.

Problem solved.

Sorry Tama, but you are the cancer to yourself. You want this to be this ideal euphoria, but you won't realize it's not. Instead, you just complain, thinking it's going to accomplish something. I've tried to give you a chance over the past couple of days, but this is so repetitive, it's annoying.

Well we're not goin anywhere... It's quite obvious you guys want a change but you're not willin to try new things. I'm not the cancer to myself... the cancer is the lethargic superiors who have options to make a change but don't take action.

I don't want to seem condescending, but I honestly feel like you've been rather cryptic with all of this. I don't think you've been very clear with just what we aren't doing that we're capable of doing. But just because I'd like to, I'll take a stab at it, here I go!

I do agree with you on the punishment issue - the first punishment for something is perhaps smaller, but if the "offense" is repeated, we should then tighten it up and make it more severe, not issue the SAME punishment. I don't know if specifically we've been seen doing that lately, but now that you've brought it up I think we should all be more than willing to watch what we're doing in that regard.

As far as the bans go, I like the current warning system, and we ARE tightening up on the way we deal out punishments in a lot of different ways. I think that in a lot of situations a ban is too severe and just a warning will suffice. If a person receives two warnings, they are no longer an official member, and to some people that's a rough enough punishment in itself! When appropriate, bans WILL be used; I just don't think it's necessarily to limit ourselves to JUST issuing bans. The point is to make the community a better place to post, not to piss people off.

Last thing. I respect you and realize that you have a lot of helpful things to say, but I really have to say that I disagree with you in a big way on the statement about how problems related to CB fall back on and reflect the staff's overall performance. I think the staff and the community play equal parts in keeping a community going. That's not to say that moderators shouldn't take on a higher responsibility for the "health" of the community, because we should. I just don't believe that during times when CB is inactive or "boring", it means that the staff is doing a bad job.

EH ALSO (I know I said that was the last thing) we WILL be making it a point to close old topics that were bumped and are dated/have no chance for further conversation.

Woot!

Also I'd like to know what would Mods consider this: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2908393


Apparently it's ok to post this.

I see nothing wrong with it.

lmao, i just saw the pants... never mind.