Well does it? Most religious people and hardcore scientists today are often incline to believe that atheism and evolution are rigorously intertwined. According to the majority (us), we are thought to believe that if one is to accept evolution as the explanation for life on Earth, it usually leads that person to become an atheist.

The problem I have with this assumption is that I don’t agree with it. Contrary to popular belief, evolution actually doesn’t explain anything about the origins of the universe, the world, or life in general. You can say Evolution is more of an explanation on the development of life.

I personally believe a person can accept evolution as an explanation for the advancement of life, and the diversity, while still being able to believe that the Earth and life were first caused by God. Therefore, there’s no reason why a person can’t be a theist and at the same time accept the theory of evolution.

Thoughts?

no. it doesn't require atheism.

No. I believe in evolution, but I'm not atheist, just agnostic.


Of course, the ones who say that evolution and atheism are rigorously entwined are religious hardliners.

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no.

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tung, im ranting here.

why is it that you're coming off as a 'hey, i go to college so i know more about you. i can insult God all i want now because i am a biology major and that makes me smarter than all of you. ' ?

honestly, tung. it's called arrogance. you have it. quit being a dick.

and for those of you who say evolution and atheism are not entwined are ignorant. evolution is now the marching banner on which atheism marches to.

ALSO, when evolution tells me that everything i do is subconcious, and even doing things such things as skipping in line is some sort of subconcious way for me to try to get ahead of the gene-battle?

that says a lot. that tells me something about how evolution speaks about life.

tung, if you are starting bio 1, don't come across as some dick with some bits of knowledge. i've read your topics in here, they don't come off as intelligent. in fact, all you do is have a ' f**k you ' demeanor while successfully avoiding the actual debate/question.

evolution does not require atheism. as a christian you could argue that god is the reason evolution exists. i dont know why you wouldn't believe that, as a christian.

podo, try to stay on topic.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/evo/...o_relig_ath.htm

Evolution is evolution... whether a religious or non-religious person believes it or not.

I believe the question is whether or not one can believe in both evolution AND God (religion). At least that would be my interpretation.

Of course evolution is evolution.

Ya I'd find it quite laughable if someone religious or not religious believed there was no such thing as evolution.

I believe in evolution.

If one believes in evolution, one can't believe in Adam and Eve?

Wow whoa there okay podo. I'm a dick, and so are you for apparently blasting me out of no apparent reason. Yeah I'm arrogant, refer to sig. What exactly does my personality have to do with this debate (yes using the personality game like how it was used in mod perf). Honestly, I never claimed to be some kind of elitist just because I'm a Bio major. In fact, in the other religious topics, I was merely stating my opinions about what I thought about religion. /endofftopic

Anyways, Eddie can you go more in depth at what you are trying to convey?

no, evolution doesnt require atheism.

blasphemer

Well Atheism doesn't necessarily mean Christianity, however, for a Christian to believe in Evolution, it contradicts the theory that God made man in the way that it was described in the bible. Also it was stated in science that Dinosaurs lived before man. Yet God created Earth in 7 days. Though dinosaur's and man's years are way farther apart by millions of years. There's a lot of things I can sorta bring up.

i think it would just depend on how literal you choose to take genesis. 7 days could be 7 billion years if someone wanted to try to interpret it that way you know. but yeah i get what you're saying.

I don't take the Gospel, Quran, or Torah "totally" literal, however I go by what I've read in a sense that it could be literal.

Of course it doesn't. Christianity isn't the only religion out there.

I've seen a couple of Roman Catholics out there who accept evolution, actually.

Possibly 1 day to God could be 1000 years.

2 weeks ago, there was a priest who came to my astronomy class to talk about the Big Bang. Apparently he's part of the Roman Catholic "science department".

yeah, that's what i just said.

If that were the case religiously, then the Big Bang was done by God.

Shhhhh... you can't say things like that, their heads will explode in tryin to associate God with the creation of the Universes.


Actually no... you were assuming that maybe it could be billions of years at a time.

I'm sayin by religious text/sources that 1 day to God is 1000 years to planet earth, ya dig? Good.

And, I'm saying you're all wrong. How many f**king times do I have to point this shit out?

1. Why should we ever believe that the word "day" is written in any other intent than its natural and understood meaning? And, why should we believe it's any different for the biblical texts?

2. The Hebrew word used in the actual text is "yôm." This word is used to indicate a normal 24-hour day (often guided by the movements of the sun).

3. In Genesis 1:5 the text even defines a day as how we understand it naturally: "And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

4. What is the difference? God is omnipotent, but just not omnipotent enough to have believably made the world in six days? Gotta make it six thousand or else the almighty God just couldn't handle it? f**king stupid.

P.S. I have an opinion on this topic and intend to post it sometime soon. Oh, and, just the simple doodle: Theism and evolution are not mutually exclusive.

we shouldn't, and i wasn't saying we should. i was just saying that some choose to, especially ones who believe in the bible and evolution at the same. every time i've ever pointed that out i've received the argument that a day wouldn't have to equal a day if you are one of those people who take the bible as one big metaphor bla bla bla.

I do concede that the perspective of a theistic evolution-believer would have a far more serious consideration into the idea of a day (in Genesis) not being a literal twenty-four hour period. But, it's really not convincing. And, further, the suggestion from the believer to redefine the day in order to satisfy conflicting ideas is a clear psychological trait of cognitive dissonance. The proposal is merely designed to cure the believer of his conflicting discomfort but still retain the "feel-good" rewards of holding his beliefs.

Anyone else heard of the Parable of the Invisible Gardener?

we are in agreement.

What I'm trying to do is backing up religious statements with things proven by science, and theories of science which have religious referencing. Tis hard.

Who gives a shit what a human has to say about Gods work. So what if a Jew said 7 days. Mother f**ker what I'm sayin is... when God told his people it took him 7 days, mother f**ker it was his 7 days, not human, planetary, motherf**kin earthly 7 mther shit f**k 7 days. f**k!!!


If God said, Earth is the size of a pea... motherf**ker, do you really think we're on planet earth the size of a pea? No.. this isn't taken literally. To God's enormous size... from his own EYES, from his OWN perception earth from the distance OF HIM makes the motehr f**kin shitty f**kin planet the size of the mother f**kin pea that's in your mother f**kin mouth mother f**ker!!....


Sorry.. I just hate people and their f**kin literal minds. -.-

Please forgive me.

But for all we know, it could still be 7 literal days.

In a literal sense it could be yes.

Sorry from before... I was in Samuel L. Jackson mode.

IMO, evolution is simply another sector of science to me, whether you want to say so or not. Science, to me, is all about hypothesizing and experimenting, so not everything is always deemed accepted. But as of now, I am intaking the evolution theory as a form of science. And I believe in God as well. No one wrote in stone that these two ideas, atheism and evolution, had to correlate together. It's all a matter of opinion and what kind of opinions YOU choose to form.

You are getting Freud confused with Darwin and it is hilarious.
Most atheists believe in evolution, but atheism was here before the other. They're not entwined, it just so happens that most atheists are smart enough to recognize that evolution is fact.

but they aren't saying it in terms of some kind of "Godyear." The Bible was written by man and when they say year, they meant year.

You're making it up as you go lmao.

Yeah let me know when a monkey evolves again into a human.

Anyways, there's evolution but to an extent. I find it highly laughable that people would sit here and assume that we came from monkeys.

But the different forms of evolutions do exist...

let me know when you atheist realize there's more information than what darwin has revealed about the Galapagos ruins. Until then, don't talk shit like you know shit



HA! "You're makin it up as you go"

Again go read something before assuming what I know. On top of that, don't associate the Bible with God... the Bible aint shit and I'd wipe my ass with it, as it holds no authenticity.

LOL @ People who read the bible... misunderstand the bible, then use the bible to slam religion/God. Pathetic fools

Dude, are you some kind of Nazi? Jesus Christ was a Jew and he was a pretty nice dude, and so were his disciples. It sucked that they had to completely f**k up the world for the next 2 million years, but what the hell.


You are completely missing the point. It doesn't matter what God said in this case because in this case a human being was recounting the fairytale that is Genesis and stating that it happened in seven human days, because it was a human who wrote it. Stop making shit up about how we have to read 1 human year as 1000 godyears, and other bullshit.

Please don't ask us to forgive you. If you know that you're being a turd (which you do, or you wouldn't be apologizing), and you act like a turd regardless, it doesn't matter if you apologize or not. Just because you apologize for something doesn't make it alright when you do it anyway. In fact, not being ignorant about the wrongness of your actions and committing them anyway makes it worse. I hope you understand that some day.

Jesus f**k. Of course it's 7 literal days! When it was written, the man who wrote it said 7 days. Seven days means seven days, don't cherrypick or make stuff up to justify anyone's faith in this bullshit.

Go read somethin else other than the Bible as a whole. Stop using Christianity as a source of God.


Ah... well in that case, f**k you. Eat shit and die.




Again... go learn somethin other than Christianity. You're gonna sit here and try to tell me that for a fact that because God said 1 year that the human should write 1 year, right? Ok that's fine... but it doesn't mean it's literally one year, or at least doesn't have to mean it is.

And can you learn how to quote so you can just post once, instead of posting over and over. Post-whore.

By the way I find it kinda funny how you're standing up for religion... yet you slam God.

I'm pretty sure you'd be dead if that ever happens again, but whatever.

Evolution is a very complicated process and it takes millions and millions of years to occur, and the chances of similar stimuli ever occurring twice and the same genetic changes to occur successfully are very slim.

And the fact that our genetic codes are 99.4% similar and new scientific genetic research has proven that chimps should be considered members of the same genus (homo) as us is pretty goddamn convincing.

I really don't know why you find this notion so ridiculous. There is a thousand times more evidence that we evolved from monkeys than there is that God said Abracadabra! one day and there we were(of which there is 0 evidence, and trillions of dinosaurian years of evidence in which there were no human beings to the contrary). Anyone with half a brain is more inclined to believe the former.



You've just contradicted yourself lmao. Here, once again, you're making shit up as you go, this time saying that I don't know this or I don't know that, or I haven't read this or I haven't read that. Way to go, man.





The Christian God is just as authentic as the Islamic God, in the fact that there is no authenticity whatsoever behind belief in either of them.

I've read the Qur'an and the Bible and the Torah, and I found little truth in either. And all were fundamentally very similar.

I'm only talking in terms of the Bible here because YOU are. lmao.
Stop assuming what I have and haven't read, thanks. It makes you look like an idiot.




Gee, what a compelling argument. Really stands testament to your quality as a person and what your religion has taught you.

And I posted, what, three times? Why don't try putting up a good argument for once instead of resorting to pettiness and insults.




How am I standing up for religion lol? I think religion is one of the most dreadful things ever spawned by society.

Ok and as time continues... so would evolution. So show me evolution from a monkey to human, til then I'll sit back and laugh

And actually if you been researching scientific studies, you'd realize that there's a probability that humans could have actually existed during the dinosaurian era. Again you should study a lil deeper into the Galapagos ruins.

Uh no.

No. You've failed to realize quite a lot of authenticity. But since you know so much of religion, you should be able to cross reference and realize the authenticities.



Unfortunately this is the internet so I can't ask for proof as you could easily google it. But the fact that you claim they are fundamentally very similar only proves to me that you have not read all three. And if you read the Torah, you would have had to read the Talmud as well. On top of that, the Torah and Talmud should only be read in Hebrew as there's MANY scriptures which cannot be translated to English as a whole...



LOL I don't use the Bible as my references... it's not authentic enough. The Trinity alone is laughable.


Obviously there's certain things you haven't read because your argument is pretty typical of atheists... it's pretty much elementary knowledge.

What argument? There is no argument... if you re-read my "apology" it's not even serious... I simply meant sorry for the cursing... I was in a Samuel L. Jackson mode =\


You're insulting my belief system... so uh, f**k you, eat shit and die. You're lucky we aren't back in time. I'd cut your head off, infidel. That's what God likes.


You were just suckin the Christian god's dick about how jesus is a good guy... if you don't believe in jesus.. then why would you even compliment his existence?... In my opinion, non-believers are the most dreadful things that ever spawned by society.

Thats retarded. Atheism requires evolution though, because Creation and Reincarnation are the only other widely accepted theories.

You're completely missing the point of what I just said. Man you are thick.



Yeah, PROBABILITY. It doesn't matter either way, considering that there were no humans back in the Precambrian period, which also supports my point.



What authenticity? Don't make mention of so-called authenticities with no proof or specification thereof.




The Bible was written in Hebrew first too, lol. Claiming that the Torah can only be basically understood in Hebrew is the is the same as saying that the Bible needs to be read in Hebrew/Greek and the Qur'an needs to be read in Arabic. That's not the case. Sure, something is always lost in the translations, but it's not hard to get a fundamental understanding of what's there. And sorry, but I don't have the time to learn three languages. And yes, they are very similar. In fact, I'd say not being able to recognize their many similarities is evidence one has not read each of them. They have their differences, sure, but they're not that different, and the differences aren't worth fighting wars over.

If you don't want to accept the fact that I've read them, that's fine with me, it just supports my claim that you're making shit up as you go.




For the past page you've been arguing about the 7 days referred to in Genesis.



If you don't want your beliefs insulted, then stop having such ridiculous beliefs.

Religion doesn't teach you to kill and butcher anyone no matter how different your beliefs are. If it does, it is morally void. And it just so happens that Islam is one of those religions which does promote violence in the name of God. Hmmmmm.




I kind of just said he was a pretty nice dude, but whatever. Either way, Jesus wasn't God lol, he was supposedly God's son. There is little physical evidence of his existence besides stuff from the Bible and a Roman historian (I think it might have been Tiberius) who wrote about him. He probably existed and was a real person, just as much as Mohammad existed and was a real person, but he wasn't any son of any god. But I do recognize the that he was a great teacher as he is portrayed in the Bible, promoting peace and tolerance and love. Peace and tolerance and love are pretty neato, you should try them out someday.

Not necessarily true. Because evolution is actually real. But to an extent. Just because we find proof of evolution in one thing, we shouldn't automatically associate everything that exist with evolution. Above that, God never said that evolution is not real. Only the ignorant followers of God have made such claims.

Hate to burst your bubble, but everyone on earth is born a non-believer, an atheist. You must hate a whole lotta babies.




No, Atheism was here far before evolution. I know atheists who don't agree with evolution, for whatever reason. The only criteria for atheism is the absence of any belief in God whatsoever.

No... basically if what you're claiming is legitimate then there has to be some sort of change.. some sort of evidence in evolution during this time period. If there isn't any sort of evolution during this time period, not even a slight change in the human "DNA"... this I call bullshit and fallacies.



Exactly. And do you know how many versions of the bible there is? Easily over a thousand different versions...



Right... but then that's when human error occurs. Misinterpreting and taking things out of context.


Christians are the blame for it, typically Romans who pushed their pagan mixed belief system onto the benevolence.



Just because I don't believe in what you claim doesn't mean I'm makin shit up.. that just doesn't make sense. The 7 days is not just in reference to the bible... and all I simply said was that it could actually be possible that God's 7 days could be 7 thousand years to the Earthly beings... lets think outside of the box. Not every planet has 24 hours in a day... this should give you a hint as to what I'm sayin.



It's people like you who start problems in the first place.


Ha... you sure you read those 3 books? You really don't know the divinity of God, you should re-read them.


I do... just not with people who insult me, my belief, or non-believers.


Spoken like a true satanist. That is completely backwards and far from the truth.

Ok, to be more clear, Atheism with beliefs about the origin of humans would need evolution. And lack of belief in a god or goddess or whatever doesn't mean atheist. It simply means nonbeliever.

BadCraziness, can you agree that atheist derived from satanists? At least the common philosophy of atheism?