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monster
QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 22 2008, 01:23 AM) *
So who is God again?

I respect religion, I really do. I just think science makes more sense than religion do. I mean all religion ever say to explain things is, like "It's God's doing", or it's just faith. I'm a person who want explanations that makes sense, and I believe in that over "having" faith.

I'm a biology major, and I've taken many Anthropology classes, and the stuff they have discovered about evolution are amazing.

lol, this is what happens when you let a biology major out of the lab.


nosex, i'll refer back to you later; i'm brushing my teeth.
JCLore
QUOTE(Call911Quick @ Jan 22 2008, 08:48 PM) *
"Believe" isn't the right word. For example, if I say "Aliens exist" ,and you disagree, then you are not "believing" what I say. If I say "Aliens exist because I have an unidentified object in my backyard", what I'm saying is TRUE, it IS in fact unidentified, but it doesn't mean aliens exist. You can't logically explain something that is in essence illogical.

You CAN'T prove Christianity through science and reason, trust me, I've tried.


I dont believe you laugh.gif
It might be different but I have explained christianity and God to many ppl
and debated the same thing with them
and i've won, and they are all christians now
i Admitt i cant prove to you there is a God right here right now
but you cant disprove he exist either either
Why people chose Science over God, i dont know
science can be tested and proved wrong
Tung
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 04:39 PM) *
I dont believe you laugh.gif
It might be different but I have explained christianity and God to many ppl
and debated the same thing with them
and i've won, and they are all christians now
i Admitt i cant prove to you there is a God right here right now
but you cant disprove he exist either either
Why people chose Science over God, i dont know
science can be tested and proved wrong

I rather believe in something that is willing to look for the answers, and test as many hypothesis as possible, than believing in something that is all about faith.
JCLore
QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 23 2008, 08:51 AM) *
I rather believe in something that is willing to look for the answers, and test as many hypothesis as possible, than believing in something that is all about faith.


do you believe what you read in the papers or hear on TV??
how do we know if all that happens to the Movie stars is true??
Your putting faith in what these strangers say on TV or in the paper
Tung
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 04:57 PM) *
do you believe what you read in the papers or hear on TV??
how do we know if all that happens to the Movie stars is true??
Your putting faith in what these strangers say on TV or in the paper

Are you like retarded? Quote me where I say I believe in movies and TV? Are you stupid? Seriously. I can't take you seriously because you look like a 10 year old dumbass, or something that came out of my ass. I'm talking about science here pal. How science have actually been searching for years to find this mystery of how life came to be, and as the day goes by, we are collecting more knowledge and data through things such as the fossil record, DNA, etc. Some of the hypothetis science has claimed, may be wrong, but that doesn't stop them from trying to find the answer. What's the answer for religion? "Oh it's God's doing" Give me some information about this so call God of which you speak please.
JCLore
dude
im talking about faith
ppl put thier faith in anything these days
TV, News, the whole lot
i wasnt talking just to you
i was talking about everyone
they say they believe things when theres no proof
you believe what you hear
and then they say Christians are crazy
for putting faith where theres no proof

anyway
heres a question
do you believe in evolution?
Tung
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 05:12 PM) *
dude
im talking about faith
ppl put thier faith in anything these days
TV, News, the whole lot
i wasnt talking just to you
i was talking about everyone
they say they believe things when theres no proof
you believe what you hear
and then they say Christians are crazy
for putting faith where theres no proof

anyway
heres a question
do you believe in evolution?


Way to not read my post clearly. This is my last post I'm going to respond to you, cuz you're a complete douche who doesn't know jack shit. I rather debate and argue with Monster, as he actually have valid reasons.

So how is having Christian people tell you stuff true? It's pretty much the exact shit when TV tell you stuff. What's the differences? Religion is one of the most powerful thing today and people tend to believe what these Christian people say b/c of their stature and status. Excuse me, but religion is basically the same thing as the things you see on TV in terms of believing what people say.

Yes. I believe in evolution.
JCLore
QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 23 2008, 09:18 AM) *
Way to not read my post clearly. This is my last post I'm going to respond to you, cuz you're a complete douche who doesn't know jack shit. I rather debate and argue with Monster, as he actually have valid reasons.

So how is having Christian people tell you stuff true? It's pretty much the exact shit when TV tell you stuff. What's the differences? Religion is one of the most powerful thing today and people tend to believe what these Christian people say b/c of their stature and status. Excuse me, but religion is basically the same thing as the things you see on TV in terms of believing what people say.

Yes. I believe in evolution.


THEN WHY THE HELL DO YOU PPL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHRISTIANS!!
Your beleiveing the bull you hear on TV
and then turning around and trying to put christians down for believing in GOD

_unsure.gif im making a fool of myself here arent i??


Moving on
if you believe in Evolution...you believe we came from goo
you believe that billions of years ago non-living micro-organisms just came to life
christians believe we came from God
we believe God breathed into us and gave us life
Am i right??
Tung
Nate, I don't even want to reply this this idiot JClore anymore, at least Monster had reasoning and his grammar was actually good, and had strong points. Nate finish this fool for me.
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 09:31 PM) *
Am i right??

No.
JCLore
QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 23 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Nate, I don't even want to reply this this idiot JClore anymore, at least Monster had reasoning and his grammar was actually good, and had strong points. Nate finish this fool for me.


then why'd you come back??
i thought you were done

you know
your not very intimidating
even though ppl tell me you are

QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 11:43 AM) *
No.

Why??
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 11:44 PM) *
Why??

because i don't think anything you've said is right
Tung
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 07:44 PM) *
then why'd you come back??
i thought you were done

you know
your not very intimidating
even though ppl tell me you are
Why??


lol @ me being intimidating. Who are these "people" who told you that?

JCLore
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 11:51 AM) *
because i don't think anything you've said is right

then what exactly do you think IS right??
Evolution??
God??
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 11:53 PM) *
then what exactly do you think IS right??
Evolution??
God??

evolution
JCLore
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 11:54 AM) *
evolution

so what do you believe about evolution??
whats your definition??
JCLore
QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 23 2008, 11:53 AM) *
lol @ me being intimidating. Who are these "people" who told you that?


i'd tell you
but that just ruins it for them
biggrin.gif

if you want to debate something
your supposed to continue and debate the topic
not put ppl down when you dont know what to put
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 11:54 PM) *
so what do you believe about evolution??
whats your definition??

"any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next"
JCLore
and the origin of man??
Spirited Away
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 22 2008, 09:51 PM) *
because i don't think anything you've said is right

LOL.

QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 22 2008, 09:53 PM) *
lol @ me being intimidating. Who are these "people" who told you that?

He meant God told him, Tung, get with it. =) hahah.
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 23 2008, 12:04 AM) *
and the origin of man??

evolution...i already said that



or are you saying you wanna talk about abiogenesis
karmakiller
Yup this is me not contributing....

Nate, you never cease to amaze me.
JCLore
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:05 PM) *
evolution...

but doesn't that mean that we were monkeys??
and then even further down the time line...We developed from Micro-organisms??
"Spontaneous Generation" must then have occured somewhere in there??
brooklyneast05
i edited and asked if you were saying you wanted to talk about abiogenesis.

yeah, i think we "came from monkeys."
JCLore
yea i guess
i mean if you dont believe in God...
then how do you beleive man came about??

sorry if i havn't exactly been clear
brooklyneast05
i think it was spontaneous
JCLore
so we did originate from nothing??
brooklyneast05
i guess? your questions are so simple and broad it's like impossible to know what your asking.

i think there was once no life on earth and now there is
JCLore
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:29 PM) *
i guess? your questions are so simple and broad it's like impossible to know what your asking.

i think there was once no life on earth and now there is


ok
interesting

im sorry...but its hard for me to believe we came from nothin

yea im not the best at explaining things
thats why i keep making a fool of myself
brooklyneast05
well you think we came from dust that god breathed life into. that's not extremely easy to believe for some of us either.


you = dust
me = abiogenesis
JCLore
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:35 PM) *
well you think we came from dust that god breathed life into. that's not extremely easy to believe for some of us either.

i guess?
but at least theres something behind it
i mean with Spontaneous Generation there was absolutely nothing and all of a sudden things start "living"
where as christianity there was already something there...God

no...it goes like this

you = nothing
me = God
MissHygienic
Debating this is like debating with little children whether or not Santa Claus exists. That some supernatural being is there to be merciful and hospitable to humanity.
DoubleJ
I always love to read debates like this, because you get to see people's true ignorance show.
JCLore
^as i said before
i cant prove to you God exists
but you cant disprove it either
i can how ever through reasoning
make you think about your beliefs


actually after preaching to everyone
i was gonna go on to say that....

"One day Millions of people will disappear causing world-wide panic and disorder. There will then be a world-wide Earthquake killing millions. Demons will come forth and meteorites and comets will hit earth killing even more people. All this in the bible"

...but im not

biggrin.gif
Tung
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 07:57 PM) *
i'd tell you
but that just ruins it for them
biggrin.gif

if you want to debate something
your supposed to continue and debate the topic
not put ppl down when you dont know what to put


Believe me, I have been debating. You on the other hand have been a total idiot with your ignorant remarks. First off, before you get on the Debate forum, have a lesson of Grammar 101. You're, not your anyone? Also, your arguments that evolution came from nothing? I believe in the Big Bang theory. Different microorganisms from the meteorites hit Earth, and that's when the new cellular organisms started developing. Over a 4.5 billion year lifespan, we first have the first organisms the bacteria, gradually evolving into to cell life forms living in water that actually moved on it's own. I'm not going to go in full detail of how life started with the evolution theory, but know that evolution has a stronger case than religion do. Don't say evolution came from nothing. Ever heard of natural selection?

You do know the bible is bullshit right? Who wrote the bible? God?

Edit- Yeah that's right. Go google "who wrote the bible" and come back here for a reply right? I think it's best you know more about your religion before you even try to defend it dipshit.
DoubleJ
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 11:59 PM) *
^as i said before
i cant prove to you God exists
but you cant disprove it either
i can how ever through reasoning
make you think about your beliefs
actually after preaching to everyone
i was gonna go on to say that....

"One day Millions of people will disappear causing world-wide panic and disorder. There will then be a world-wide Earthquake killing millions. Demons will come forth and meteorites and comets will hit earth killing even more people. All this in the bible"

...but im not

biggrin.gif

I wasn't directing that towards you lol. It was just a general statement.
JCLore
QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 23 2008, 01:01 PM) *
Believe me, I have been debating. You on the other hand have been a total idiot with your ignorant remarks. First off, before you get on the Debate forum, have a lesson of Grammar 101. You're, not your anyone? Also, your arguments that evolution came from nothing? I believe in the Big Bang theory. Different microorganisms from the meteorites hit Earth, and that's when the new cellular organisms started developing. Over a 4.5 billion year lifespan, we first have the first organisms the bacteria, gradually evolving into to cell life forms living in water that actually moved on it's own. I'm not going to go in full detail of how life started with the evolution theory, but know that evolution has a stronger case than religion do. Don't say evolution came from nothing. Ever heard of natural selection?

You do know the bible is bullshit right? Who wrote the bible? God?



you think im the one who's been making idiot remarks??
im not the one calling the other an idiot every single post
without even bothering to reply to the question or debate the topic at hand
im not saying evolution came from nothing...you are
i dont believe in evolution

Why dont you point out my grammer errors Mr.Grammer 101??

the bible was written by many ppl and then translated into many languages...i'd tell you exactly who but whats the point
and the bible is just as good as any history book

QUOTE(DoubleJ @ Jan 23 2008, 01:12 PM) *
I wasn't directing that towards you lol. It was just a general statement.

sorry lol
it sounded rude at the time
Tung
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 09:15 PM) *
Why dont you point out my grammer errors Mr.Grammer 101??

QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 22 2008, 09:01 PM) *
You're, not your anyone?

If you're going to try to "debate" with me, please at least my post and what I have to say before you reply. Thanks.
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 09:15 PM) *
the bible was written by many ppl and then translated into many languages...i'd tell you but whats the point
and the bible is just as good as any history book
sorry lol
it sounded rude at the time

So you're saying the bible is pretty much a History Book? Have anyone ever taught you that a history book have many flaws such as bias opinions, and false statements derived from their bias?
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 23 2008, 01:15 AM) *
Why dont you point out my grammer errors Mr.Grammer 101??

it's spelled grammar =/
careful on that one
people like to jump all over others about grammar here for some reason
DoubleJ
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:21 AM) *
it's spelled grammar =/
careful on that one
people like to jump all over others about grammar here for some reason

You are guilty of that one kind sir! J.K. JC! For some reason I feel like bothering you tonight. Oh by the by Tung, we have seen JC's face already.
Tung
You mean the picture in his old sig with his stunnah shades? I can barely make it out though, the eyes are the most important man!
brooklyneast05
when do i jump on people for grammar javonn!??!?

rarely since i'm no good at it. content means more in my opinion. tung's posts are winning on that one too though i think. i'm biased though



edit: oh i see you said JK. tonight's a bad night to bother me i think, class from 9:30 - 8:30 at night. f**kingahaflwejfaekw
DoubleJ
QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 23 2008, 12:26 AM) *
You mean the picture in his old sig with his stunnah shades? I can barely make it out though, the eyes are the most important man!

WTF! Tung LMAO! Are you, dare I say it, being.........




QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 12:27 AM) *
when do i jump on people for grammar javonn!??!?

rarely since i'm no good at it. content means more in my opinion. tung's posts are winning on that one too though i think. i'm biased though

Jeez JCI was just trying to be funny LMAO! Yes I did double post mods.
JCLore
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Jan 23 2008, 01:21 PM) *
it's spelled grammar =/
careful on that one
people like to jump all over others about grammar here for some reason


well i am dyslexic
i know i spelt that wrong

QUOTE
If you're going to try to "debate" with me, please at least my post and what I have to say before you reply.

sorry that doesnt make any sense to me
"please at least my posts" blink.gif

look...this is it
i cant be bothered to argue with you anymore
as i said before
i cant prove to you im right
but i know im right
you cant know for sure im wrong about God and Christianity
unless you give it a try
i used to feel the same about God and about Christians as you do
Spirited Away
Just add "read" between "at least" and "my". Come on, it's not that hard.

edit: read the context is all.

QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 11:35 PM) *
well i am dyslexic
i know i spelt that wrong
sorry that doesnt make any sense to me
"please at least my posts" blink.gif

look...this is it
i cant be bothered to argue with you anymore
as i said before
i cant prove to you im right
but i know im right
you cant know for sure im wrong about God and Christianity
unless you give it a try
i used to feel the same about God and about Christians as you do


Also, I thought you debate all the time and that you convinced a bunch of people to be Christians... were those people so easily swayed?
Tung
I know people usually don't like when a post is just a quote, but this one really sums up my views on religion. It is by the master, George Carlin. Enjoy.

QUOTE
But folks, I have to tell you, in the bullshit department a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. Because when it comes to comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe--in awe!!--of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: RELIGION. No contest.

Religion--easily--has the Greatest Bullshit Story Ever Told! Think about it: religion has actually convinced people--many of them adults--that there's an invisible man who lives in the sky and watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And who has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.

And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to remain and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry, forever and ever, till the end of time. But he loves you!

He loves you, and he needs money! He always needs money. he's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, but somehow... he just can't handle money. Religion takes in billions of dollars, pays no taxes, and somehow always needs a little more. now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy shit!"



Anyways, since you mention history books, I assume you know a lot about our history correct? Hey, if you read history, you'll realize that "God" is one of the leading causes of death...has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews, all taking turns killing each other because God told them it was a good idea.

JClore, you can continue and keep believing in this so call "God" and keep praying to "God". If I'm going to pray to anything, it'll be the Sun. Unlike "God", I can see the Sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no bullshit.

I'm tired of "debating" with a 12 year old. Steven or Nate finish it off.
DoubleJ
Because I am such a good mod!

JC I give you the honorary



of the day award!
JCLore
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jan 23 2008, 01:42 PM) *
Also, I thought you debate all the time and that you convinced a bunch of people to be Christians... were those people so easily swayed?


it was in person so yea it was a bit easier
plus i wasn't gettin jumped on for every mistake i made
from what i know already about Tung, which is little
actually reminds me of what they were like before

Tung, your not part Greek are you??
Coz they worship the sun
but you know what else they do
they sleep with other men for fun
tongue.gif
Tung
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 09:53 PM) *
it was in person so yea it was a bit easier
plus i wasn't gettin jumped on for every mistake i made
from what i know already about Tung, which is little
actually reminds me of what they were like before
Tung, your not part Greek are you??
Coz they worship the sun
but you know what else they do
they sleep with other men for fun

Can you like post normally, instead of writing your post out like a poem-like format? stubborn.gif

If you want to know about my religious background, I have never been religious. Why? I don't believe in bullshit. I think religion is a form of slavery. There's those people who are free thinkers. Maybe Agnostics maybe. People who don't necessarily believe in God, but believe that there is some kind of supreme being up in the sky?

Religion can never reform mankind, because religion is slavery.

Hmm you seem to know something about the Sun then I assume? You do know Christianity is a parody that branch off from astrology? The Christian religion is mimic on the worship of the sun, in which Jesus Christ is in place as the worshiper instead of the sun. People pay Jesus adoration, which was originally the sun.

Christianity is a joke.
NoSex
QUOTE(JCLore @ Jan 22 2008, 11:53 PM) *
it was in person so yea it was a bit easier


Yeah, I've damned a lot of souls in my day, probably a f**k lot more than you've "saved." But, that's not really important.

Read these two posts and then we can begin to even consider talking:
Post 1
Post 2

Alright, first off, from reading your posts, it's quite obvious that you have no f**king idea what you're talking about. I suspect that your extent of knowledge concerning evolutionary biology is limited to high school lectures (where someone's dick was definitely stuck in your ear), a few instances of peer conversation (kids are very stupid), listening in on big boy conversations (adults are also very stupid), and probably a few apologetic creationists. Ok, read a f**king book. Read some literature that actually intelligently supports evolution - go to the library or start searching the net. f**k, you can start with On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection by Charles Darwin.

My point here is that you lack the fundamental knowledge to even begin to have a meaningful discussion here, and, I'm tired of playing teacher. Until you can demonstrate a level of even moderate competency, I'm not so sure you're worth the time or effort.
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