I think I speak for everyone in this thread when I say Nate just laid the smackdown on this douche JClore.

It's a shame this douche has the name JC in his username, and making other JC's look bad.

haha
your so funny

ok
the way i see it
if im correct and there is a God
Im going to Heavan, while your going to hell
if your right, then theres nothing for us when we die
we will just stop existing

both ways i win

JC, look, I'm not trying to antagonize anyone here, but your argument against evolution is weak. I've studied it, and trust me, it is some convincing shit.

Now, I believe in God. I believe in free choice, and that all our actions and thoughts are not responses to stimuli and random chance. I believe we humans have something animals don't. I believe evolution is false.

I'm not going to prove my beliefs to anybody without a solid argument. The people on this forum are smart, and saying "evolution says man came from goo" isn't going to convince anybody.

yea i admitt my arguements were weak
and i'll probably have this on my back for the many years to come
but what the hey
i gave it a try
and i lost nothing except maybe any reputation i might have had before, if i had any at all

Ok, first of all, there IS a way to disprove God. If you can disprove the Bible and anything that is stated in it, then you disprove God. Prove that Jesus has never done anything it said he did, or prove that some person in the Bible never existed. You can say, "Well, it's physically impossible to burn a bush without having it burn." Any Christian could reply, "Well, it was God doing it, and seeing as how God is omnipotent, it's possible."

The thing that Christianity has on Evolution is that there are so many theories of how life began. There's that p- word that Tung believes in... p... para... something. Basically, meteorites with amino acids capable of combining into RNA were found, and that is probably where life came from.

There is also another theory that Miller-Ure (however you spell that) came up with, saying that the old atmosphere had the necessary elements (carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen) to combine into amino acids given energy (lightning and UV light).

There's a couple other ones I can't come up with off the top of my head, but you know what I mean. The point is Evolution is so open-ended, and nothing is "for sure". Sure, there are fossils from the Cambrian (is that how you spell it?) Explosion, and people are able to reconstruct animals from the past by looking at the rocks, but that really doesn't prove anything. Perhaps the rocks were simply that way by chance? I could go to the grand canyon and find a suspicious looking engraving in the canyon, and claim that a huge animal of some sort lived there.

The animals that were thought to have existed in the Cambrian Era looked bizzare; even the scientists that came up with it said so. The fact that they deviated from the current animals so much is suspicious. They were eradicated by a landslide, so they weren't extinct due to natural selection or anything of that sort.

Evolution is too wishy-washy, and the Bible is actually a really GOOD book for anyone who's taken the time to read it. I believe in God. Christianity is absolute. The world started the way it was said in Genesis, and it doesn't matter HOW you interpret it, that's how the world started. Adultery is wrong. Adultery is cheating on your spouse, etc. You can say, "Well, my wife cheated on me too, and she's not that good in bed." Still, regardless of the circumstances, adultery is wrong and that is that. That's part of what I love about Christianity.

We have to love our neighbors. That's absolute. What if he kills my mother? Well, I still gotta love him. Now, that's not saying that I CAN do it, because if I CAN, I'd be Jesus.

what? i'm not arguing against evolution.

i haven't argued anything, he asked what i believed in and i said evolution, he asked what i thought it was and i told him, he asked me if i thought something came from nothing and i said yeah.

EDIT:
i just realized that your referring to JCLore as JC, instead of JC which is my name. probably so cause that makes sense, in which case i agree that his arguments against it are weak, because he isn't really arguing it. he's just saying oh you believe something came from nothing, i believe god mad it. over and over


that's not true. disproving the bible as being true just disproves the bible. it doesn't disprove god, just the claim that it's his word, i guess. maybe it disproves your idea of god, but there's a ton of interpretations of god. for example, disproving the bible wouldn't disprove a deistic god.

god can make a bush burst into flames because he's omnipotent, but he can't get rid of the devil, so he isn't omnipotent. maybe he can though, he just doesn't want to, so he isn't omni benevolent then i don't think. all of the christian gods attributes conflict with each other, we've been over this in other threads.

Ah, but if he got rid of the Devil, there would be no contrast between good and evil, and that would be destroying one of his own creations. It's all about the "complete balance and harmony" that drives the main argument for Christianity.

i guess that's ok as long as christians admit that god did make the devil knowing exactly what would happen (note omniscience) and does allow him to exist, but half the people i talk to act as if god has no control over what the devil does.


admitting that though kinda makes no sense to me, but it would be a boring tale without him

First, what's the difference if it's in person or online? Apparently I'm to believe that your form of persuasion works when we're face to face but not through written communication. Forgive me, for doubting you, but shouldn't it be easier online since you'd have time to think of your response?

Secondly, the Greeks also fathered Democracy, which enables you to worship Christianity as you'd like and not be persecuted for faith. A person would think that the weight of their contributions to Christianity should not have been so slighted.

Pascal's Wager? Is this every morons' last resort? Alright.

False dichotomy, bro. Familiarize yourself with the term. It isn't like the Christian god and Christian conception of hell are the only religious institutions to have ever been conceived; there are thousands upon thousands of different religious ideas about the nature of god and after-life. Not to mention, there are millions upon millions of different possibilities never even considered by men that would also have to be factored into your equation. So, out of the millions and millions and millions of possible gods, the chances of your wager working is so low and worthless that our chances are just about equal, whether or not I pick a god from the universe hat. Not to mention, if there truly was a Christian god, do you think he would appreciate your little wager? No, probably not. Your stupid f**king wager not only offends reason, but also offends the spiritual conception of faith itself.

You suck.

I suppose disproving the Bible wouldn't disprove the existence of a God, but it would disprove Christianity. The Bible is the only thing we have on God; if part of it is false, then Christianity, which is built upon the Bible, will fall. It's like blowing up the foundation of a building.

There are other cults such as Mormons and Jehova's witnesses and random televangelists that don't base their beliefs on the Bible, or have their own "version". I base my faith on the universally accepted translated King James Version. There's always the original Hebrew bible, which is the one you'd go after if you were set on disproving the Christian God.

Another common point is... well, anyone read Elfen Lied? Anna, who is a mutated "demon girl", has a HUGEASS brain, and her "thoughts" are beyond those of a mere human's. Its similar to us vs God. It'd be like humans and monkeys, they really can't understand why we do what we do. We really can't answer WHY God does or doesn't do something.

Dang you need to take it down a level. This is why people think Christians are douchebags! Just stop replying. You are digging a hole for yourself.

btw you have NO idea who is going to heaven or hell, you can only hope.

I didn't see this until the person above me quoted you...

If there is a God, He's to judge who's going to Heaven, not you. Or, are you saying that you can judge?

If Atheists are right and there's nothing for us when we die, you wouldn't win, you'd be sorely disappointed for having been lied to all your life.

Don't try so hard to convince yourself that you wouldn't care that there isn't a God. It shows (1) you lack devotion to your own religion, and (2) that you are as fickle as a pickle -- you think you can be both sweet (theist) or sour (atheist). You're NOT A PICKLE so you can only choose ONE of the OTHER!

Erm... Science is the proof of God. It is the physical proof of God's creations. God isn't just an object or thing... it's everything... everything is everything. Think outside the box... something not even religion could help you realize :P



LOL You think Christians are douche bags? Pffft read the Torah, the Torah makes Christianity truly look like innocence.

of course there is God.it can be sen in every aspect in life starting with man himself,and the very fact of his existence.it is not logical that a person created another person,and gave him a soul.there has got to be a greater, stronger power.all of Today`s science and technology could not even come close,and will never because no mortal can play God.

You a lot of reading to do.