Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.

If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.

Please. If you don't like this thread, kindly don't click on it. It's that easy. It's not being forced on you or anyone else, so please leave. It does reach people. Sorry if you don't agree. If you don't like the thread, you are free to ignore it.

who's it reaching?

Unfortunately, you don't get that luxury. Sorry. This being a public forum, if someone posts a topic, people will read it, and people tend to talk about it if they don't like a topic. You as the topic starter can take all feedback, good and bad, although it appears that you aren't getting much of the positive.

I'm sure you've gotten this response everywhere else you've gone as well, one would think you'd eventually get it, but I know better.

Feel free to continue trying to reach people here, but I'm fairly positive you won't be successful here or anywhere else. Who does it reach, exactly? Other Christians who think you're doing something good? Big surprise. I'd love to see an example where you doing this has converted a nonbeliever.

My take on it is if he's free to do what he wants with this thread(preach, whatnot) others should be free to do what they want in this thread (oppose his ideals or point out his mistakes).

I'm too lazy to read long posts, too. Though I got bored this evening a wrote a long response myself.

Yeah but I actually read your post. xD I read about the first sentence of every other paragraph in his. It's all the same stuff I've heard a million times and I guess my heart is too hard to accept truth and make the right decision.

This isn't really a debate at all.
It's just proselytizing.
Trash this shit.

You're right. I've heard it a million times, too, and it never "reached" me. People don't understand that there are things that others are meant to accept, find out, or form beliefs on their own. But whatever floats people's boats, I guess. It does get annoying though, right?


Nods.

Obviously, you still have an interest in it because you clicked on it. The Lord hasn't given up on you. The problem is that you need to be willing to open your heart to God. That's why some people can't come to God, because they aren't willing to humble themselves and open their hearts to Him.

He lumps the fearful and unbelieving in with the murderers, liars and such.


Re 21:8 (NKJV) "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

I truly do not see how this is a debate. It's just a somewhat bizarre Christian forcing his beliefs down others' throats and is getting kicked in the butt for it.

I'll leave it here for a while and monitor the outcome. If it remains the way it is (which I'm sure it will) it'll be moved back to the el loungeo.

Anyway, don't mind me. CONTINUE KICKING HIS BUTT GUYS!!

What's OBVIOUS is that people will click on anything and everything in this forum, even spam/advertisement. You're OBVIOUSLY new to this forum and haven't been able to figure that out, but soon enough it will be quite OBVIOUS to you.

Did you purposely ignore my rebuttal post on the second page? Well, to summarize, can you give me a quote from the Bible where it says you're saved by faith alone? The Bible isn't new to me, but what you're saying about faith being the only step in salvation is.

Anyway, happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and everyone!

AHAHAHAHAHAHA I see the Catholic Church is starting to rub off on you.

Yea, yea. Haha, I started going to church with my brother and his wife, plus I do some volunteer work at church anyway. Let's not forget that my cousin's a nun.

Haha, *SHHHHH* you.

i don't think he meant any harm. he wasn't trying to offend anybody. take it easy, guys. besides, i don't understand why so many people who don't believe in God even posted in this thread in the first place. if u don't believe in God, then getting to heaven is of no concern to you. so you shouldn't bash him for sharing some information with those of us who might want to know what he has to say.

and....
what's the debate?

^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?

^True

I don't see how this is a debate either. I think this is a joke. How do we know that the real way to heaven. Sounds like BS to me. It's cute to read but not taken seriously imo.

lol exactly. it's completely one sided and the only question is "WHY R U POSTING IN HERE! UGH, GO 2 HELL!!" or.. something like that.

there are so many better religion debates

Haha. this person is not a false prophet. A prophet tells of the future. This person does not. He tells of God's word.

As for my opinion. Why should I put faith into a theological dictatorship with unfair rules and regulations, when I don't believe that socialism or communism is correct? He gives us a free will, but toys with the idea of a all knowing being. Or another example of free will is that God allows us to do as we choose, but in the end, it's either His way or go to Hell. Whose to say that Christianity is 'the' true religion? Not you. Not anyone. It's a belief that some one had about a man, who claimed to be the son of god. What, he did miracles? What miracles? What evidence is there that he actually performed miracles? It's just hear-say.

They say that you will find peace in Jesus, but in all honesty, I've never felt worse than I did while accepting the Christian faith.



In all fairness, Christians are suppost to tell others about their faith. It's on their souls if they don't tell anyone about Jesus Christ.

Posts merged - Sandra =)

False prophet doesn't mean just people who tell the future. It's also for common people who twist God's word into a different meaning, or changes things.

I was RAISED to believe this. I've heard that exact statement at least a thousand times in my lifetime. It's all good and well if that's what they believe. I personally tend to walk away when they "try their hands" at me, but whatever. What I was saying was that he wasn't being some big, bold christian witness by spreading the word over the internet. Copying and pasting something on various forums to people you'll never come in contact with does NOT show courage. IMO, it's pretty lazy, and if he thinks THAT makes up for what other christians do out on the streets, he is mistaken.

Also, what Podomaht said about false prophets is absolutely correct. A preacher who stands in front of a congregation and misleads them in any way is considered a false prophet. The same goes for anyone who is spreading false information about christianity or, as he explained, twisting the meaning of scripture.

NO!!!! That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is don't bash him & don't be rude to him for trying to enlighten a specific group of people...Those being people interested in getting to heaven.

He's not enlightening anyone.

Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?

I'm sorry, and this is meant to be in no way offensive, but that statistic is absurd and there's nothing to back it up. How did you come up with this measurement?

And you're making 9/10 people pissed off at Christianity.

people who spams about every 387,574 boards saying the same thing is not "reaching" people. how about YOU stop spamming the internet boards with things that aren't relevant like a football forum or weight lifting site.

you're annoying people because you think shoving down "facts" down people's throats is teaching anyone anything and anyone who thinks differently is going to be condemned to hell.

this has no debate side. it's completely one sided and that's why it pisses ME off.

oh and of course you're a holy and great person while everyone else is horrible. ok.

... a simple no is understood, thank you, I am not blind. You said he doesn't think he meant any harm nor was he trying to offend anyone. The thing is, if he didn't meant to offend, he shouldn't even be talking about religion. We were all told to avoid discussing politics or religion for a good reason: they cause conflict.

Telling people not to bash him when he has offended them, whether indirectly or directly, or if he didn't even mean it, is unrealistic. Yes, people should be a bit nicer, but considering the way he began this topic and how he's been responding, you can't really expect people to hug him and welcome him with open arms.




I never once said you forced me to read your posts, so don't worry about my feeling coerced to do anything. Rather, I read your thread because I'm inclinced to hear what you have to say about Christianity and whether it makes sense. If it doesn't, I have a personal obligation to question it or rectify it. Moving on from these topics things will eventually dull my mind. I feel like I should apologize for being "unkind" but since I don't think I did anything wrong, I will not.

To answer your question, I am offended by people who don't know everything about religion but try to act like they do. Look, I have no problem with you preaching, but that what you preach seems incomplete. That, and I just don't like your attitude (it's okay if the feeling's mutual, I will not take it against you personally).

Don't play the "you guys are ganging up on me because I'm Christian" card, please. As you can see, Podo is a Christian and made a thread in this very forum and I applaud him for it. Though I don't agree with his answers, they are true to his beliefs and they don't come off as arrogant. You are the exact opposite.

You still haven't answer to my question. Stop beating around the bush and try to make me look like a bully when I'm asking you a legitimate question. If you can't answer it, then just say it. And, if you can, please enlighten me. I love to learn about religion.

HERESY.

How do you even know that that person will go to Heaven? Do you know God's mind? Do you know the full extent of his plan for each and every human being who reads and prays this?

No. You are wrong. You are spreading a false teaching just like the other fake preachers. Stop what you're doing now.

Just get a warlock to summon you

Black magic is so metal.

i said "trying" lol

Yes!! I DO know the mind of Christ. It's called the bible. That's how I know. Preaching what the bible says isn't heresy. You use NO scriptures to back up your false arguement and call ME a heretic? Dust off your bible and start reading the mind of Christ.

go back to a football forum and tell the word of whatever.

maybe they will be more interested

Hey you. Answer my questions, please.

Also, to claim that you know the mind of Christ. Haha, that's funny. So, what's God thinking... right now?

And, you, the authors of the Bible did not record God's mind, they recorded His Words. The Bible isn't called the Mind of God, but it is called the Word of God.

Get it right, will ya?

You sound a bit over-zealous Baggins, but who am I to judge? I'm a Christian myself. I know you're trying to do what you think is best for the people on this forum, but I disagree.

I think that while you may be reaching some people, you're pushing many more away. You say that 1/10 of the people reading this post are being helped by it(This isn't factual, but I'm going with what you said), what about the other 9? What are they thinking? Is it possible they are being pushed away?

Opportunity cost Baggins, I think you have to accept that this isn't the best way to reach out to this online community. If you're helping 10% but ruining 90% in the process then you're being counterproductive. Everyone is different, different people need to be reached out to differently. I know you're trying to help, but I think that you're doing the opposite.

I think you should try a different approach. Get to know your audience before making a speech. You're methods of reaching out to this demographic aren't effective. What may have worked for one online forum won't work for all of them.

PS: I'm sure you already know this, but being a Christian is much more complicated than you say it is.

BLASPHEMY ALERT! How can you know the mind of Christ? Maybe you should dust off whatever you're doing and actually STUDY the Bible because I'm sorry but that's crap.

Baggins, She's right. You don't know the mind of Christ. You can only interpret the Bible to the best of your ability. You don't know the "mind" of Christ. You know the Bible, and you love Jesus by trying to follow it the best you can. No man is perfect; no man knows the mind of a perfect being.

I disagree with what you said about one little prayer to saving you from hell. You make the Christian religion sound so much more simple than it actually is. There's much more to the Christian religion than just accepting Jesus into your heart. There are a host of things that are tacked onto accepting Jesus into your heart.

John 14:15(KJV) - "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

If you accept Jesus into your heart, you have to love Him, if you have to love him you'll have to have a solid understanding of love, if you know what love is you'll want to understand Him, and if you understand Him you'll follow His teachings. Now what? Well, what is there to understand? How do I love him? What is love? What are his teachings? I could litter you with questions. Christianity, it's not as simple as you make it sound. I know you're trying to do something good here, but you have to understand that you're being very very very very... very very vague.

Forgot to mention, you can just combine a bible and a Jew's leg in a Horadric cube, right click and hit transmute.

I wish he would come back and reply to what I posted.

This is stupid.
Don't you see that you're just teaching people the motions?
You have people beleiving that by just doing or saying these things that they can get to heaven. I don't mean to be rude and I don't wana start any fights but you're kind of putting a bad name to christianity, like others have said. You have people beleiving they can live a tarnished life without God and still go to heaven. I kno that as Christians we are here to teach people about the bible and turn them over to God but, the bible does say that if they do not want to be saved then don't push it down their throat[Ok it doesn't say those words exactly but do you get what I'm saying?]


EDIT//
and baptism and goign to church can not save you.
Just thought I might let people kno.

Agreed

2Pe 1:19 We also have a more sure word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Daystar arises in your hearts,

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus

Oh good lord, I can't believe we have a problem with defintions and context.

To finish let's cite a little more, Php 2:5-7:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men."

Interpretation: Let God guide (motivate) us as He is involved in everything we do. Strive to think like Jesus so that we may distance ourselves from sin like Jesus did.

NOT: We know what God't thinking. If we know what He's thinking, he wouldn't be God, or we'd be gods ourselves. The Lord being IN OUR MIND for guidance is NOT the same as we're being in the Lord's mind.

In addition, knowing a person's intentions is different from knowing their mind. God's intentions and words are in the Bible, but knowing His intentions is not the same from knowing what he's thinking. Perhaps you're confused with the two.


Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isaia 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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i dont know about all that jibber jabber you wrote, but im confident im going to heaven.

b/c i believe jesus is the one and only way into heaven. its as simple as that.

but you have to let people make their own way, you cant force them.

Agreed

well said.

Personally, I don't take the bible literally. So all those excerpts from the bible that you posted? They don't mean much to me. Think about it. The bible was written down hundreds of years after it had been passed down orally. Ever heard of the game telephone? In a small amount of time, and between a significantly fewer amount of people, the message is changed.

I believe in God despite that, but I don't think it's cool to be trying to convert people like this.

Also...it doesn't require all that to be saved. God's love is beyond human comprehension; he will forgive you no matter what as long as you truly regret your sins, and ask for forgiveness. That's all you need to go to heaven.

but why do you need acceptance by him rather than by yourself alone?..

where did he go?

He got sad and left.