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NoSex
QUOTE(Sulfur @ Apr 7 2008, 11:14 PM) *
BTW. Writing on a Holy Book is a very disrespectful thing to do, Atheist or not, you should treat with respect.


That's like me asking you not to cook eggs - it's blasphemous to the Easter Bunny.
EddieV
QUOTE(NoSex @ Apr 8 2008, 01:15 AM) *
That's like me asking you not to cook eggs - it's blasphemous to the Easter Bunny.


According to Christianity. Eggs are only forbidden to eat and cook during lent.

Also I doubt cooking eggs and writing on a Holy book are even on the same level.
illriginal
QUOTE(Sulfur @ Apr 8 2008, 12:14 AM) *
Question about that.

How far have you advanced in studying Arabic? Reading the Quran in Arabic which is something I haven't done myself, but how much different is it than reading it translated?

Well I still have to use a translator sometimes with some terms... There's terms that English doesn't have and that alone makes the difference. I must admit though Abdullah Yusufali's translation into English is as accurate as it can get, which has been accurate so far compared to Arabic Quran.
NoSex
QUOTE(Sulfur @ Apr 8 2008, 08:45 AM) *
Also I doubt cooking eggs and writing on a Holy book are even on the same level.


They aren't. I was only drawing the analogy to show the absurdity of your statement. If there is no good reason to believe in the holiness of a book, why would it be disrespectful to slander, destroy, and or discount that book entirely? Sure people may believe in it, but, they don't believe in it for any better reason than anyone would have for believing in the Easter Bunny.
illriginal
QUOTE(NoSex @ Apr 8 2008, 04:37 PM) *
They aren't. I was only drawing the analogy to show the absurdity of your statement. If there is no good reason to believe in the holiness of a book, why would it be disrespectful to slander, destroy, and or discount that book entirely? Sure people may believe in it, but, they don't believe in it for any better reason than anyone would have for believing in the Easter Bunny.

Obviously the Easter bunny isn't as important as a holy book. Easter bunny is just so that kids can get into the whole spirit of religion and celebration while enjoying it... If the Easter bunny never existed it would just be Easter on a more respectful level yet boring to children.
NoSex
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Apr 8 2008, 03:53 PM) *
Obviously the Easter bunny isn't as important as a holy book.


For someone who doesn't believe in either, they're both equally as unimportant. Although, I would say I find a "holy book" offensive and dangerous where I do not find the "Easter Bunny" as reflecting either of those things. So, I think it would be "important," to "disrespect" a holy book. Yeah.
illriginal
QUOTE(NoSex @ Apr 8 2008, 04:55 PM) *
For someone who doesn't believe in either, they're both equally as unimportant. Although, I would say I find a "holy book" offensive and dangerous where I do not find the "Easter Bunny" as reflecting either of those things. So, I think it would be "important," to "disrespect" a holy book. Yeah.

It's only dangerous when people take things out of context especially by reading a tiny portion of a "section" (not even the chapter) and taking it the wrong way, granted that the Bible isn't exactly the best holy book out there (if that makes sense) but we just experienced an example as to how things can be taken out of context and considered dangerous with the other guy (Nathan? forgot his name) who was posting a small piece of a section claiming that was the actual quote entirely and that Islam is dangerous while disregarding the rest of the Chapter and all the sections within the chapter.

It's kinda foolish to purposely take things out of context, especially when it's soo simple to understand without parables, then misinform someone with that tiny piece of a section. And create this hatred/fear towards the religion.
jmontoya21
with all do respect to all here, I simply gave Jesus Christ a try and never looked back since,that simple,my honest and sincere opinion.

Satisfaction guarantied,what do you got to loose? Sins maybe? you can have those back if doesn't work for you.
shoryuken
QUOTE(jmontoya21 @ Apr 8 2008, 10:53 PM) *
with all do respect to all here, I simply gave Jesus Christ a try and never looked back since,that simple,my honest and sincere opinion.

Satisfaction guarantied,what do you got to loose? Sins maybe? you can have those back if doesn't work for you.

STFU stopp makin accccounntt.. stubborn.gif stubborn.gif
Spirited Away
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Mar 24 2008, 01:55 PM) *
Life's a struggle... and it's meant to be overcome, this is true. The reason why life's a struggle is mainly because of finances. The world stopped believing in prophets and began to believe in profits. Thus screwing their neighbors and others across the world for their own personal and selfish gains whether they realize it or not.
How am I running away from obstacles when there's a crazy bastard with a shot gun to my head? He's now playin the game of God. He has my life in his hands, he chooses to kill me or not because he has the free will that God gave him.

I'd rather have him commit murder on me, ruining his soul while I get to die benevolently. I've beaten my struggles.. and I keep beatin them, the only struggle I have is a materialistic one, one of which we depend on in order to survive. Money. Other than money... I rarely have to struggle and that's because my faith is monstrous.

If I could, I would save up as much money as possible, go to a small island or a poor ass country, buy a piece of land away from humanity... and depend on planet earth to provide me with shelter, food, and entertainment. I've already dedicated 2 years of my life without materialism. No car, bike, tv, video games, board games, money, etc... and I accomplished it. So in the end of it all... I might be movin to Kauai and chill out in the jungles, eat my own fruits/vegetables, my own hunted meat, drink fresh water from the springs etc... :D

Anyways, I don't fear death. I love death and welcome it with open arms. I don't fear hell because I won't spend the rest of eternity in it. I've recognized all the wrong things I've done, I've changed them all... and never have I crossed those lines again.


I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you want to die and not within any circumstances. Not fearing death and wanting death is completely different, yet you seem to compliment both? If you love death, do you want to die? _unsure.gif
illriginal
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 10 2008, 01:22 AM) *
I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you want to die and not within any circumstances. Not fearing death and wanting death is completely different, yet you seem to compliment both? If you love death, do you want to die? _unsure.gif

I accept death with open arms... I respect and adore death just as much as life. Doesn't mean I want to embrace it and go kill myself. But if I was layin here dying... I wouldn't beg to live any further, I would have my last day's prayer, and lay to sleep in hopes to wake up in the spiritual form.

I believe that death is the ultimate freedom... not this so-called freedom that humans in superior ranks have given us, but spiritual freedom.

If you want a better understanding, read up on Egyptian/Tibetan Book of the Dead.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Apr 10 2008, 11:22 AM) *
I accept death with open arms... I respect and adore death just as much as life. Doesn't mean I want to embrace it and go kill myself. But if I was layin here dying... I wouldn't beg to live any further, I would have my last day's prayer, and lay to sleep in hopes to wake up in the spiritual form.

I believe that death is the ultimate freedom... not this so-called freedom that humans in superior ranks have given us, but spiritual freedom.

If you want a better understanding, read up on Egyptian/Tibetan Book of the Dead.

I still do not understand this reasoning. I see that you do not fear death, but loving it seems farfetched.

If I love and adore cake, I'll eat one. Why deny myself of an adoration that's within reach? Is it simply the case of "que sera sera" that you're alluding to?
illriginal
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) *
I still do not understand this reasoning. I see that you do not fear death, but loving it seems farfetched.

If I love and adore cake, I'll eat one. Why deny myself of an adoration that's within reach? Is it simply the case of "que sera sera" that you're alluding to?

lol because death is inevitable.... death is gonna come when it decides to come. Suicide is in no way a form of divinity.

Spirited Away
QUOTE
lol because death is inevitable.... death is gonna come when it decides to come.
= "Que sera sera"

Anyway... so you love things that are inevitble or just death?

QUOTE
Suicide is in no way a form of divinity.
Eh, tell that to suicide bombers sad.gif
illriginal
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 11 2008, 12:26 PM) *
= "Que sera sera"

Anyway... so you love things that are inevitble or just death?

Eh, tell that to suicide bombers sad.gif

Why are you associating "whatever happens, happens" or "whatever will be, will be" with what I'm sayin? Maybe you should try a different approach... whistling.gif

Suicide bombers are retarded brain washed thugs who think they're doin the work of God by being the aggressor and killin so called "evil people" it's quite ironic. In no way should they be associated to a religion just because they claim to be part of that religion.

And it's spelled inevitable.


QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) *
Why deny myself of an adoration that's within reach?

Why should I kill myself to prove my love for death?...

QUOTE
Is it simply the case of "que sera sera" that you're alluding to?


No it's not... people till this day can't accept death as part of life. To love life you must love death equally. To love life and life only... is plain cowardice and faithlessness.
illriginal
Delete this post =\.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 11 2008, 11:47 AM) *
Why are you associating "whatever happens, happens" or "whatever will be, will be" with what I'm sayin? Maybe you should try a different approach... whistling.gif

Suicide bombers are retarded brain washed thugs who think they're doin the work of God by being the aggressor and killin so called "evil people" it's quite ironic. In no way should they be associated to a religion just because they claim to be part of that religion.

And it's spelled inevitable.
Why should I kill myself to prove my love for death?...
No it's not... people till this day can't accept death as part of life. To love life you must love death equally. To love life and life only... is plain cowardice and faithlessness.


Sorry for missing an "a" omg.gif . Don't have a cow, man. Do you want me to poke at your grammar and spelling?

<edit> For example, it's spelled "killing" not "killin". =) </edit>

... You say you love it but you don't want to "be with it"? Then you don't really love it. I mean, have you ever been in love? LOL, or is something you think is unrequited?

Why a different approach? What you're saying is when it (death) happens, you'll welcome it, right? You'll not fight it or resist? The idea of "que sera sera" is whatever happens, take it like a man and enjoy it or just cruise through. Rather than suggesting I take about stab at it, you need to grasp the meaning of the quote.

Funny when you say "people can't accept death as a part of life". You have to walk a mile in another person's shoes to really understand, but you're saying you already do. It's funny because, there are those who are older and wiser (not to mention those with some kind of terminal illness) that still ponder death, yet here you are, merely 2x (assuming you are a healthy and robust) saying that you understand life and death.

Not to be skeptical of your self-proclaimed understanding of life and death, but this whole thing is cracking me up.
wwwww
QUOTE(BadCraziness @ Apr 4 2008, 04:25 PM) *

Pagan?
I'm neo-pagan. Anybody going to fight and slay me?
illriginal
QUOTE(ChaseTheDragon @ Apr 11 2008, 02:01 PM) *
Pagan?
I'm neo-pagan. Anybody going to fight and slay me?

At the end of it all.. yes. lol

QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 11 2008, 01:54 PM) *
Not to be skeptical of your self-proclaimed understanding of life and death, but this whole thing is cracking me up.

Thanks... I'm glad you're happy :P

Just keep in mind that death is only a breath away. thumbsup.gif
illriginal
Delete this post -.- again.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(ChaseTheDragon @ Apr 11 2008, 01:01 PM) *
Pagan?
I'm neo-pagan. Anybody going to fight and slay me?

Don't worry. You + Me = Invinsible Army Against All Odds

'Nuff said XD
illriginal
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 11 2008, 02:05 PM) *
Don't worry. You + Me = Invinsible Army Against All Odds

'Nuff said XD

Apparently Islam is takin over the Earth.. I gotta see this army of yours (jk) lol
Spirited Away
QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 11 2008, 01:04 PM) *
At the end of it all.. yes. lol
Thanks... I'm glad you're happy :P

Just keep in mind that death is only a breath away. thumbsup.gif

Oh, I don't think about it at all =) I live the best I can and whatever comes next will be a surprise =D. I LOVE SURPRISES!

QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 11 2008, 01:08 PM) *
Apparently Islam is takin over the Earth.. I gotta see this army of yours (jk) lol


?

You saw it.
illriginal
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 11 2008, 02:15 PM) *
Oh, I don't think about it at all =) I live the best I can and whatever comes next will be a surprise =D. I LOVE SURPRISES!
?

You saw it.

Nah I only saw usernames tongue.gif
Spirited Away
Huh?

QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 11 2008, 01:05 PM) *
Don't worry. You + Me = Invinsible Army Against All Odds

'Nuff said XD

^ Army.
Tung
yawn.gif

Apparently just suck God's humongous dick, then you'll get to heaven.

loool.gif

/stupidpost
Spirited Away
QUOTE(Tungster @ Apr 11 2008, 01:21 PM) *
yawn.gif

Apparently just suck God's humongous dick, then you'll get to heaven.

loool.gif

/stupidpost


God, that sounds hard.




no puns intended... at all.
illriginal
QUOTE(Tungster @ Apr 11 2008, 02:21 PM) *
yawn.gif

Apparently just suck God's humongous dick, then you'll get to heaven.

loool.gif

/stupidpost

Too bad God isn't a specific form, if that was the case, homosexual men would be all over heaven. Since that's not the case, they're gettin anally raped in hell by the demons laugh.gif
illriginal
QUOTE
It's funny because, there are those who are older and wiser (not to mention those with some kind of terminal illness) that still ponder death, yet here you are, merely 2x (assuming you are a healthy and robust) saying that you understand life and death.


lol I've already experienced death, both spiritually and physically.

As for the approach... you're not askin the right questions. You're finding my belief of death as somethin comical, maybe you should take the time to embrace it to understand it. Maybe then, you'll have the right questions to ask me. wink.gif
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 11 2008, 03:55 PM) *
lol I've already experienced death, both spiritually and physically.


blink.gif
Tung
QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM) *
blink.gif

Didn't you heard JC, he's "illmortal".
Spirited Away
I don't ask questions because I think they're the right ones to ask; I ask because I want to know. Why would I want to "embrace" your belief to understand it? It's like that one time when you claim to "understand" Buddhism and I proved that you didn't. Belief and understanding doesn't really compliment each other, but then again this is a woman talking... so what do I know of these things rolleyes.gif

LOL, Tama, you assume so much about other people and about life in general.

10 years, 20, 60 years from now; let's see how long you'll sing that tune. Same goes for me, but I'll leave it at that. The greatest victories are won with silence =)
illriginal
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Apr 12 2008, 12:54 AM) *
I don't ask questions because I think they're the right ones to ask; I ask because I want to know. Why would I want to "embrace" your belief to understand it? It's like that one time when you claim to "understand" Buddhism and I proved that you didn't. Belief and understanding doesn't really compliment each other, but then again this is a woman talking... so what do I know of these things rolleyes.gif

LOL, Tama, you assume so much about other people and about life in general.

10 years, 20, 60 years from now; let's see how long you'll sing that tune. Same goes for me, but I'll leave it at that. The greatest victories are won with silence =)


Can you quote that you proved me wrong?... cuz that's quite funny actually. Also just to get things straightened out here, a belief system doesn't build the human... the human builds itself. Don't blame my actions and my choice of words for any belief system I embrace, that's just ridiculous.

And if belief and understanding doesn't really compliment each other, then why the hell does religion exist? Why do people choose to believe or not, why do they choose to believe in certain things and not in others? It's takes understanding in the first place, whether it's legitimate to their perception or not, that's when they choose to believe or not. rolleyes.gif

And assume? Bwahaha... majority rules in statistics, all it takes is analyzation of reality...


Maybe you should re-read the definition of belief and understanding, and possibly embrace as well, then have a clever thought. thumbsup.gif
xfrodobagginsx
Science and the bible:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
brooklyneast05
QUOTE(xfrodobagginsx @ May 4 2008, 11:19 PM) *

you're a f**king idiot, bitch
xfrodobagginsx
First cause proves God's existence. Everything came from matter. Science says that the matter cannot be created from nothing and that it's eternal and cannot be destroyed, yet it's here. The fact that the matter is here contradicts all scientific laws. According to science, the matter which makes you up, cannot exist on it's own, therefore, there MUST be a God who has power over the laws of the universe and able to create the eternal matter from nothing and did so.
brooklyneast05
no. the laws of thermodynamics apply to the universe NOW that it's created, that doesn't mean that they applied to it's origin.

you've never posted one thing that made sense or was well researched. gtfo.
Reidar
QUOTE(xfrodobagginsx @ May 29 2008, 12:35 PM) *
First cause proves God's existence. Everything came from matter. Science says that the matter cannot be created from nothing and that it's eternal and cannot be destroyed, yet it's here. The fact that the matter is here contradicts all scientific laws. According to science, the matter which makes you up, cannot exist on it's own, therefore, there MUST be a God who has power over the laws of the universe and able to create the eternal matter from nothing and did so.


Are you able to tell me where God came from, then?
shoryuken
QUOTE(Reidar @ Jun 2 2008, 06:07 AM) *
Are you able to tell me where God came from, then?

y da fuk u askk da kiid.. go askk demm sceeiincc naarrd.. rofl1.gif rofl1.gif
xfrodobagginsx
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nikx618
i think that anyone who lives a good life will go to Heaven. ragardless if you even believe in God.
xfrodobagginsx
Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.
NoSex
QUOTE(xfrodobagginsx @ Sep 25 2008, 10:27 AM) *
Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.


oh my god, shut up
Joanne
QUOTE(xfrodobagginsx @ Nov 18 2007, 12:59 PM) *
ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

No, because I do not believe in any heaven or hell. I believe when you die, you die. Your soul or spirit does not go anywhere. You just die.

But if there really is a heaven, and I have to follow rules and be bounded by restrictions to get there, I do not want to be any part of it.
only-tuesdays
QUOTE(xfrodobagginsx @ Sep 25 2008, 08:27 AM) *
Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.


Mission work on the internet is a joke. Go out and do it in real life. Where you actually have to deal with people shooting your down to your face. That's what it's about. Not hiding behind your computer.
dannyordinary
.. heaven nor hell aren't really .. religion is fake, get it through your head.
creole
Wow, would I go to heaven if I watched 2 guys 1 horse,
and would I go to hell if I watched 2 girls 1 cup?
Cyanide-
QUOTE(ninjaBeenly @ Oct 7 2008, 08:44 PM) *
Wow, would I go to heaven if I watched 2 guys 1 horse,
and would I go to hell if I watched 2 girls 1 cup?

2 guys 1 horse? oh no?
dosomethin888
Im positive Im goin to heaven...
NoSex
QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Oct 14 2008, 01:03 AM) *
Im positive Im goin to heaven...


i'm so glad you can be so positive about something no one in the entire world could ever possibly propose to know...
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