We all need something to believe in and put faith towards to, and I respect that.

As for today, Sunday, I personally believe that the easter bunny shall bless and guide me to a salvation of chocolate eggs. If not, I am converting back to the energizer bunny.

I guess you're right. I did kinda get caught up with the emotional part of God. 'Cause once you get past the technical part of it, a lot of it is emotion. But I guess the point I was getting at was that instead of telling people about God, you should show people God. As cliche as that sounds.

Well this is a debate forum though. So yeah. I'm done at this thread, I guess.

Life's a struggle... and it's meant to be overcome, this is true. The reason why life's a struggle is mainly because of finances. The world stopped believing in prophets and began to believe in profits. Thus screwing their neighbors and others across the world for their own personal and selfish gains whether they realize it or not.


How am I running away from obstacles when there's a crazy bastard with a shot gun to my head? He's now playin the game of God. He has my life in his hands, he chooses to kill me or not because he has the free will that God gave him.

I'd rather have him commit murder on me, ruining his soul while I get to die benevolently. I've beaten my struggles.. and I keep beatin them, the only struggle I have is a materialistic one, one of which we depend on in order to survive. Money. Other than money... I rarely have to struggle and that's because my faith is monstrous.

If I could, I would save up as much money as possible, go to a small island or a poor ass country, buy a piece of land away from humanity... and depend on planet earth to provide me with shelter, food, and entertainment. I've already dedicated 2 years of my life without materialism. No car, bike, tv, video games, board games, money, etc... and I accomplished it. So in the end of it all... I might be movin to Kauai and chill out in the jungles, eat my own fruits/vegetables, my own hunted meat, drink fresh water from the springs etc... :D

Anyways, I don't fear death. I love death and welcome it with open arms. I don't fear hell because I won't spend the rest of eternity in it. I've recognized all the wrong things I've done, I've changed them all... and never have I crossed those lines again.

I would only fear death is there was no afterlife. Existence is important to me. I would rather exist in the flames of hell than just be....well....dead with no existence at all.

I second that.
I used to be like, all freaked out like, "zomgz what if i die?" and such. But over the past couple months, I've been realizing exactly that. Like, I'm still young, and I haven't accomplished everything you have, and I haven't exactly beaten all my struggles. But honestly, I don't care if I die. I'd much rather meet God early than work out my problems.





O.o I'd rather not exist.
Hell is more than just fire.

Depends on your beliefs of hell. In Buddhism you don't spend the rest of eternity in hell, same with Islam.

You just pay for your sins first then whatever happens from there, well happens.

Being non-existent somewhat just scares me. It's like....nothing I fear thinking about that.

I have really bad experience with preachers like this topic starter and I search this guy on google and on every forum possible he talks about this no offense but please get a life people have their own beliefs so stop preachinmg

Meh. Even if it's not for eternity. I'd still be impatient. Like, I could barely take four hours of detention.

Not existing would just be like before you were born. The idea doesn't scare me. Sometimes I feel like it'd be nice to not exist. Hell of a lot easier.

And I mean, it's not like you'd notice. :P


But now I'm wondering... Can souls be destroyed?
..Should I make a new topic for that?

Why would you even ask? I've destroyed plenty of souls. Souls are for weaklings.

The fear of death and its abeyance is irrational because it's pertaining to something among the inevitable. The concept of immutable fear on a single circumstance, in contrast, is not so assured. Fear is a reactionary system, initiated through trepidation by something perceived as a threat. The catalyst, death, is a notion until realized; it cannot actually be experienced by the phobia sufferer and stored as a survival assimilation. An idea, in and of itself, cannot harm, going against the very concept of rational fear as a defense mechanism. Through an oblivious "existence", there is nothing gained; oblivion constitutes a lack thereof. It is irrational to be disconsolated about something that doesn't exist.

By the way, if anyone were to argue that death being a reality succeeds it as a notion, that would incorrectly be inferring that a notion is the antonym of possibility.

Sulfur said that he would only fear death in the consequence of no existence. There is no alternative to that. Otherwise, it would no longer be the fear of death, but a fear of whatever unknown is destined for occurrence.

Personally, Heaven sounds like it would be Hell to me. Comfort spawns complacency.

True... it's supposed to be a process of cleansing. You pay the time for the mistakes you've made and never acknowledged nor felt guilt of.

If there's no heaven or hell... then be it. I'm not scared of something that is supposed to happen. Fearing death will consume you, easily.

Also Reidar made a comment about how he would fear heaven. Honestly, we don't know what heaven is. Heaven can be anything that only gives you happiness, no other emotion or physical pain.

In my opinion if I could create my own heaven, it would be me flying endlessly around the universes as a form of energy. I would ask God to give me the complete history of everything that has ever existed. Well... whatever that's me :P

I don't fear anything. I said that it would be boring.

I stand corrected!

That's quite true, but because we already exist, it's too much to handle when you know you're going to be nothing again. Not experience pain nor suffering, love, happiness, anger, yada.

Life, and existence is something I cherish, because to me it's one of the most important things to have.

na na na don't make the philosof n*gga

life is important to have but this is important to don't have too.


dificult to understand my word, but think about it n*gga

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here I AM the philosof how many book about it have I read , how many thinks about it have I ? infinite fo sho

Right... let us know when you read, "Egyptian Book Of The Dead" and "Tibetan Book Of The Dead"

i'm speaking about machiavelli mista fake muscle but you don't know how to read right ? then go to school

dont wanna spam here

Mother fucker please. You can't even type in proper English. Talkin bout go back to school lol Go back to the hole you came from, your mother's pussy, you waste of space and oxygen

"Niccolo Machiavelli" roflmao "Art of War". You're such a poser.

okay

He threatened my "windows" lol I use Linux kid. And the machine I use is a corporate machine, good luck tryin to crack our network credentials.

Any mods would like to give me his IP address? I would like to take this threat on a serious level and bring it to the NOC department. Wouldn't mind having the FBI take this pathetic fool away from society.

i'd like everyone to shut up and get back on topic.


get out of debate bnox and take your little ngggdjgslgjsdlfdkjf buddy with you.

Because of the interruption...

Heaven is where all the interesting people are missing.

So even if it did exist, I'd rather be just chilling on the first level of Hell with Aristotle and Sophocles and Hunter Thompson for the rest of eternity.

lmao theists have such funny beliefs.

Life isn't a struggle meant to be overcome. That's like saying life's just a game that you need to win.

Life is an amazing wonderful thing and it should be cherished and thoroughly enjoyed, because it is the only thing that is guaranteed to us and it is so, so precious.

People believed in profits and selfishness faaaar before they believed in prophets. Do you have, like, no concept of history whatsoever?

Actually that's funny. Are you some rich kid of suburbia? Life's a struggle without hand outs. You're gonna tell me that without hand outs that life isn't a struggle? You aint bullshitting me, son. I struggled like a mother f**ker without hand outs; with jobs, finances, educations etc... you aint foolin anyone.



And I agree...


No. Wrong. You're already annoying me with your close minded ignorance. Don't mention history when you can't even accept historical events scripted into the Old Testament, Quran, Talmud, or Torah. My knowledge of the Kabbalah (no not that Modonna bullshit Americanized shit) alone will destroy anything you know. Shit's deeper than any thought you ever had =\

And I'm not assuming, I can just read you by reading your posts. Atheist or Satanist.. same shit, that's you; deal with it.

No, I'm actually pretty poor, not gonna lie. Sure, we struggle, some of us a hell of a lot more than others. But even though that I struggle, I refuse to view the concept of life as one giant struggle. I see life as the biggest and most important opportunity anyone will ever have.





Funny, you calling me close-minded, when you were ready to cut my head off because your religion tells you to.

And yes, you are assuming, lol. And where did I ever say I didn't accept the historical accuracy behind those religious texts? This would be another wrong assumption on your part, no matter what you think you can judge from my posts.

By the way, I thought that one of the greatest sins in Islam was judging someone? It doesn't matter how vast your knowledge is of Islamic texts if you're all talk and no walk, kid.

Judging by your low amount of posts and signup date, you came here just for this thread, didn't you?

But what's the point? Since we're just gonna die and become nothin more than a big ol' meal for insects at the end of it all, right atheist?

Yeah satanists aren't worthy, in my opinion.

You're atheist, no?... so basically those historical texts are nothin more but fairy tales and mythologies. Right?


I'm not judgin you to hell... I'm not judging you in any ultimate way, bud. lol I'm plenty talk and plenty walk, you just don't know me on a personal level, nor do you know anything of God's laws.


Yeah looks like it.

Nah, I made the account earlier today, and I sort of stumbled into the forums and went Oooo!



I am an atheist mostly for that reason - I want to find my own point, my own purpose. Death is what gives meaning to life. It's what makes life so precious. It's what makes what we do here so important - because this is the only thing guaranteed to us, and it's not going to last very long. And the only thing guaranteed is pretty f**king important.

Without death, there'd just be a hell of a lot of small talk and boring shit. Which is what I imagine eternity to be like. So right now I'm hoping that after death there is nothing. I can't imagine what a theist afterlife would be like. How can anyone in Heaven stand being where they are when there are so many more people burning and suffering for an eternity? How anyone can bare to think "oh, well that person's in hell" of a dead person is beyond me. I think my heart would implode or some shit lol. This is why I can understand why believers shove their religion down everyone's throat - I'd like to believe that it's out of fear for the other person spending an eternity in hell. but for the most part they're just doing it to be dicks and feel superior, and i hope you're not one of them.

Although I couldn't prove it either way, I know in my heart that this can't be true. I suppose that this is the only thing I have faith about - the nonexistance of any kind of Hell.




No, I never said that. Most of it can be equated with fairy tales, but some recount historical events which really might have happened.

Who's guaranteeing us this precious life?





But hell isn't eternal. Before you die, you must condition yourself to accept the possibility that there really is a God and there's really heaven and hell. You must prepare yourself for the worst and accept death as part of life. I think I'd fear nothingness more than hell itself. But then again... if there's nothingness then... well that's all that it is. We can't fathom nothingness, we don't know how to condition ourselves for nothingness.

The reason why religion is spread is not to force belief nor create an army. It's to keep the universal family together, because whether we accept it or not, we're all related. We have to be... this is what Islam teaches, that we're all brothers and sisters no matter what race you are... I'm related to you and I should look out for you. To be peaceful and loving to our brothers and sisters, across the world.

I'm probably rambling and not confronting your post very well... I'm still wakin up =\

Lordy I don't even know where to start with that first post. Church = brainwashing. I know nothing I say will cure you of all the hoohaw shoved down your throat. Show me one shred of proof that what the bible says is accurate and truthful and I might believe in your recipe for heaven.

First of all, that whole adam and eve thing is old. And it's one of the most illogical things. If they didn't eat the apple, none of us would be here. Ever think about that?

I would also like to point out that if the world started with only two people, all of us are products of incest. Science has already proven that incest is unnatural and results in deformities and retardation. For the human race that is, some species of animals, if not most of them, can engage in procreation that way with no repercussions. The bible never mentions where their son found his wife. If they were the only two people to begin with that would make them and their sons the only people on the planet. Where did this wife come from?

And lastly, you are wrong. If there is a heaven you most certainly will get in by being a good person. You don't need God or church or priest to tell you the difference between right and wrong. Everybody is born inherently knowing the difference between right and wrong. Unless you're one of those psychos who's born without a conscience. If it doesn't feel wrong, then it isn't wrong. Masturbation doesn't feel wrong. Premarital sex doesn't feel wrong. Gay sex doesn't feel wrong.

Obviously the existance of Jesus must be true. There's too much documentation throughout history to refute that fact. Is he the son of God? Doubtful.

F.U.C.K. The Bible. Understand?


I don't even know what you're talkin about. Do you even know how many women Adam had in the first place?...


Are you agreeing with Science or disagreeing? And if you're agreeing with science, can you source that information? Cuz from my understanding, it's practically wise-tales/myths.


Erm... there was humans before Adam and Eve. Just not humans of God, they were humans of Lucifer/Satan's breed.


Uh... what? No human is born knowing right from wrong, they're taught through family values and moral support. That's why society is so f**ked up, these young parents didn't get to fully learn the morals and what was right from wrong, only to an extent. That's why their children are all f**ked up. Emos, homosexuals, druggies, what have you. Society is molding itself into self destruction, sooner or later.




Well problem is, there's two different Jesus. The pagan, satanic, roman version is the Jesus of Nazareth. While the true Jesus was born of a Virgin woman and is the true son of God, who did not die on the cross, nor did he become God.

Remember we're all carbon based. When we get science involved we're nothing but molecules. So the fact being that God is energy/infinite molecules. It is obvious that God did in fact implant molecules, which we call "sperm" into the body of the virgin mother.

Thus legitametly giving birth to the son of God, the one and only 1st perfect human being, who passed the test of God in order to become the ultimate and only Messiah of the human race, those who accept God as the creator of everything of everything, will be saved by the Messiah. No matter what religion they are... as long as they believe in God and God only... not Jesus, or some object or some pagan god(s).

Oh, gee, lol, idk, how about NATURE.
We have one life that we know exists for certain.
And the only thing guaranteed after that is death.

I can fathom nothingness. I'm in no hurry to meet my death - I'm so in enamored with life it makes me sick - but I'm not afraid of it, or nothingness. Because an eternity of ANYTHING is going to be pretty f**king boring. Death - an end - is what makes life meaningful.




Buddhism holds the same exact belief, that we are all interconnected, but no wars have been fought in the name of Buddhism.

Islam is a religion that says it's OK to strike down your brother in the name of the lord - what happened to the universal family here? ehhhh?


ex|
2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."

4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."




BULLSHIT.

You're a f**kin devil.... those are fake quotes you sorry ass piece of shit.



004:101 And if you are on the offensive in the land, then there is no harm that you shorten the contact-method, if you fear that the disbelievers will try you. The disbelievers are to you a clear enemy.


002:190 And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors.
002:191 And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the reward of the disbelievers.
002:192 And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
002:193 And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God's. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

061:004 God loves those who fight in His cause as one column; they are like bricks in a wall.

009:001 This is a revocation from God and His messenger to those with whom you have made a treaty from among those who have set up partners.

009:002 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejectors

009:003 And a declaration from God and His messenger to the people, on this, the peak day of the Pilgrimage: "That God and His messenger are innocent from all those who set up partners." If you repent, then it is better for you, and if you turn away, then know that you will not escape God. And give news to those who have rejected of a painful retribution.

009:004 Except for those with whom you had a treaty from among those who have set up partners if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they plan to attack you; you shall continue the treaty with them until its expiry. God loves the righteous.

009:005 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold the contact-method, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

009:006 And if any of those who have set up partners seeks your protection, then you may protect him so that he may hear the words of God, then let him reach his sanctuary. This is because they are a people who do not know.



Again... atheist have derived from satan... this is there goal. I rest my case.

I wish they were.

You failed. I quoted those exact chapters and sections. f**kin devil.

The copy which I have in my hands was issued by ze local mosque and it says otherwise.~*~*~*

Who's the author? Which Ze Mosque is it?... Where's it located? I'm hoping you're not in America, cuz there's no Ze Mosques in U.S. soil.

I just realized you're a lil 16 year old. Which possibly means, you went to some random site one day, pulled up those quotes, got scared because you never ever in your life read a Quran, bookmarked it. Then you posted these fake ass quotes, when I called you on it and posted the true quotes, you quickly did a lil local search on a mosque via google and just named any random mosque not realizing that you named a "type" of Mosque that's not even located in America.

You're a fake... a child with no respect, you deserve a good ol' fashion spankin for your lack of respect, and your lies, kid.

EDIT: Oh look you're from Pennsylvania, North America.

jesus f**k.
Do you want me to take a picture of me taking a shit on it?
Fine.







1) I don't even know what a "Ze mosque" is lol, you misundestood what I was saying, and I didn't even SAY "ze mosque".

2) ze = lazy way of saying "the" and sounding pseudo-French. I'm watching Pepé Le Pew here. Ahhh, Loony Tunes.

HENCE "ze local mosque," not "ze mosque," whatever the f**k that is.

3) I only offer my respect to those who have earned it.

4) fuuuck you're an idiot.

Just to get things cleared here...

"A Muslim is expected to recognize the brotherhood of man and should treat a non-Muslim as a brother. Showing compassion and charity, Muslims believe, is doing service to God. Therefore, it is written in the Quran "No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. God will not be affectionate to that man who is not affectionate to God's creatures. Assist any person oppressed whether he is Muslim or non-Muslim."



Even animals are to be treated with care and love:
Mohammed repeatedly forbade cruelty to animals, saying in the Hadith popular tradition, "Whoever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself."

Similarly, Mohammed taught "A good deed done to a beast is as good as doing good to a human being; while an act of cruelty to a beast is as bad as an act of cruelty to a human being."

The Quran (6:38) explains that such benevolence flows directly from God: "There is not an animal on Earth, nor a bird that flies on it's wings, but they are communities like you."

The Quran does permit meat-eating, but its also encourages healthful foods (which, many Muslims conclude, does not include animal products). Given these traditions, many Shi'ite Muslims and the Islamic mystics, such as the Sufis, see vegetarianism as the Islamic ideal and choose this diet.

And just so that you get a better understanding instead of readin partial scripts and makin shit up in your head about how negative Islam is go here:
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So you simply took them out of context by not adding the rest of the section, right?... All you did was highlight what you want to show, instead of highlighting everything to show the full chapter/sections.


As for Ze Mosques... there's such thing but they're located all over Africa, Eastern Europe, Middle East, and parts of Asia.


So what was your point in just posting up partial scripts?
And just a heads up, I don't want your respect... nor do I respect you. That's only because of your partial and misleading quotes.

hehe... tama vs badcraziness.. fun fun..

keepp goin 2 bietchez..

Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.

Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.

plzz stopp spaminn.. BIETCH...

1. Everything you've just posted only shows how the Qur'an contradicts itself. A peaceful quote does not erase all of the violent war-mongering ones.

2. I only took pictures of the individual passages because posting the whole goddamn page would take up too much space on the forum, and you wouldn't be able to see the words because it would be too unfocused. It was more for proof that yes I have read it and the quotes aren't fake like you kept saying.

3. Whether you read the whole chapter or not it still means the same thing. If the meaning would change based on context, I would have included it, or would have left it out of the original list of quotes. "Fight and slay Pagans wherever you find them" unless they start to believe in whatever you believe in is pretty f**king straightforward.

4. I'm not going to waste more time splitting hairs with you, goodbye.

Right because the KKK is truly what Christianity stands for, right? Good generalization



Yeah yeah... I ain't hearin non of your ish, child.

Ha... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. There's always a reason why to fight and always a reason when and why to not fight.


Promise? In fact I don't want you to even quote me nor question me when it comes to religion. Be assured that I'll just scroll past your posts.

You can't interpret the Quran through the English. It may be inaccurate as it must be read and understood in Arabic.

The Quran, Gospel, Torah always contradicts itself if read thoroughly. Why in my opinion? Because passage could be meant to be interpreted in a different way than we read it.

I believe God gave us these books so we can find it in our hearts to interpret it for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. I don't see the laws passed down to be taken fully literally, as God's punishments may not happen after death unless you've done something severely wrong. (i.e. eating pork is very unhealthy and the chances of getting sick arise, thus may be God's punishment for disobeying)

But this is the way I see things and I don' care what everyone else says....

Mind Closed

That's why it's good to get Hadiths as well, because of it's championship to the Quran. It's for better understanding.

Fortunately I've been studying Arabic and Hebrew. Hebrew because I need to read the Talmud in Hebrew as well as the Kabbalah. Not the English madonna version of the Kabbalah.

Question about that.

How far have you advanced in studying Arabic? Reading the Quran in Arabic which is something I haven't done myself, but how much different is it than reading it translated?



BTW. Writing on a Holy Book is a very disrespectful thing to do, Atheist or not, you should treat with respect.