so you go to heaven after that?


iono man, if someone told you eating shit would make you live longer would you do it

it's a case of mistaken identity, & false causality.
i mean, what do you think came first... the social contract not to kill, a conscience, a repulsion to violence... or the commandment, "thou shall not kill." british common law, which our law is primarily derived from, existed in england long before christianity came knocking @ their door. my point is as follows, religion is not at all, truly, related to our most fundamental moral character, all of that is accounted for in hobbes' theory of social contract. however, things like feeling guilty about masturbating, refusing to sell alcohol on a sunday, & "saving yourself until marriage," are, more or less, sustained in religion, designed around archaic society.

so, no. religion doesn't do good in terms of regulating people, it does a shit job. note also, of course, that religious people are more likely to commit crime, less likely to be educated, more likely to marry & have children, less likely to read a f*cking book.

correlation does not imply causation:
remember lisa simpson's anti-tiger rock? i do... i do.

edit: lol f*ck it, my final words: religions cost outweigh its benefits IMMMMMMENSELY

It doesn't matter, God is spirit. A rock is constrained by our own dimensions, so if God did create a rock that big, he'd still be able to lift it, should he wish to.

Comparing a rock to a Spiritual Entity is pretty funny.

p.p.s, I think we're having an honest discussion. Feel free to ask anything about my life or how I live my life as a Christian. You'll find me a huge hypocrite and a fake.

But I'm still trying my best.

And no, I think Christianity is not bound by geographical boundaries. It is universal.

1. Works fine in my opinion.
2. The politicians and the loud ones protesting stemcell research and homosexual rights are the ones who tend to blabber without thinking.
3. wat.
4. Not a danger, not a waste. However, the church can be quite a monster sometimes.

I heard this quote somewhere. I find it rings true too many times:

"Lord, deliver me not from your enemies, but from your followers, oh Lord."

Please be sure to note that we spread the Gospel not for the sake of the unbelievers, but for the Glory of God.

Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever and ever.

You got some sort of scat fetish, bro? Why you so into poop?

Would you eat shit if I told you it would make you live longer? Why do you keep equating shit with religion? If you don't have anything productive to say, then get out of my thread. This is the debate forum, not offtopic chat.

That's why it's religion, and that's why Karl Marx was wrong. Religion is not the opiate for the masses. If it were true, we wouldn't have martyrs.

He never came down to us. He sent his "son" down to us.
And the other gods came to them too.

The theological term is Hypostatic Union. To deny the diety of Christ is to deny the entire doctrine of Christianity.

Jesus was God. Jesus is God, merely in a human form.

Please list another religion where God reaches man.

there is no debate, you simply believe or not, i apologize if you arent smart enough to understand my analogy rimlicker

cool story bro.

whats wrong, cat got your tongue? no reply? answer the question would you eat shit if i told you it would let you live longer

No. I don't plan on living any longer than I'm already destined to be. Your logic is flawed, buddy.

really? what is my logic?

That you're trollin' hard, bro. Get out.

complete lack of logical sense, you serve your religion well

Cool! It's enjoyable to watch you go from trying to make a logical argument into insulting me. Keep it up, a Christianity thread can't be a Christianity without people angry at God because life doesn't go the way they want it to.

Tough luck, kiddo; the world isn't perfect, and neither are you.

the greek gods use to chill with man.
jesus stopped in, supposedly, for thirty-ish years and ducked out.
nothing special. what the f*ck does that mean for people two-thousand years later?
if god truly wanted to reach man... he would make a giant super magically billboard or something.

podo, do you believe in evolution? if so, to what extent? if not, why not?

Krishna and Chaitanya in Hinduism

whats the point of arguing with a person who refuses to address my argument? Here big boy, ill give you another shot, i asked you to eat shit, you said no, why believe god and not me?

I'd believe you, but it depends on your delivery. I'm not blindly following Christ. I like Christianity as a religion, and everything about it appeals to me.

However your shit, does not.

Pun intended.


-reserved for after dinner-

Then thats that. Nothing else to debate. You simply believe and I don't.

I will admit that I know almost nothing about Hinduism, so I won't say much, however I think I should have been more specific about things. I meant to say that God sacrifices himself so that He can be closer to us.



I think it's interesting, how Greek mythology had a certain aspect of hypostatic-union. However, like I stated in my previous post above, I meant it that certain way. BTW, Zeus was a pervert.

And yes, I believe in evolution. Whether the world is 2,000 years old or four billion years old, it doesn't take away from God's glory.

I see it like this, it doesn't make God appear any less amazing (because that's what most Christians are afraid of) than he is or was. To be able to divinely inspire the Earth to create mankind (eventually) is amazing for me.

But hey, if the world was created over two thousand years, then that's amazing too.

Either way, Glory to God.

i don't think you get the point of my question kid...
christians aren't afraid that the reality of evolution will make god look "less amazing," they're afraid that it will make him look less likely. consider it, what is the most common & lauded argument for the existence a creator but the cosmological argument? if purely natural phenomena can explain life on this planet, then the cosmological argument becomes useless. life can be explained in a purely scientific manner... in which case, what room is there for a god?

There are Christians who see beyond their Biblical text, believe in science, while maintaining their belief in God. Even when I did consider myself a Christian, before my distaste and confusion in religion began, I never understood how anyone believed that the Bible was anything more than passages, guidelines and folklore to aid a human being in living a good life.

I have met someone who believed that the big bang/evolution = creation. Her justification was that her belief in science was not greater than her belief in God, therefore, science is the simply the will of God. The belief in evolution does not take away from God's power, I would presume, but those who can open their should be able to see that it would make him more amazing.

Did that make any sense?

Genesis says that birds came before reptiles. Evolution contradicts that.

A ha! One cannot use the Biblical text as a source document if one does not believe the words of the Bible to be anything more than a guideline. A Christian can still believe in God, whole-heartedly, as well as science, without believing in the Bible's explanation on how we came into this world.

So this Christian believes in God, just not God's words? Sounds like a pretty sour relationship.

Not exactly. If a Christian has indeed accepted Jesus Christ as his/her savior, and they followed the core principles of Christianity, why should it matter if they take the Bible so literally? This is a question I've posed before, however, Christians and Atheists alike are unable to answer this.

Because it's the tome of said deity that they are "following the core principles of". What do you mean, nobody has been able to answer that? Christians are chill with God, just not his book?

probably 'cause they keep changin' the dang Bible around so much

Allow me to clarify; 'members of cB' have been unable to give me a straight answer.

Yup. For lack of a better response. At least, that's what I've noticed since joining the military.

Maybe they accept (or want to) a concept of "God" but not the Christian God per se

Christian God ain't the only God

I'm not saying that makes them Jewish or Muslim or anything though

CHRISTIAN JEWISH ISLAM ALL SAME GOD

aight supposedly but they all got different scriptures


which makes the scriptures sound less important

If the god you believe in is so amazing, why doesn't everyone believe in him?

There are still many things I don't know. However, the scripture that defines the core doctrines of Christianity are things that I will take literally.

I don't know how exactly the world was created. I probably will never know more than 1% of the knowledge of God's word found in the Bible.

But it still doesn't change the fact that I have accepted Christ as my savior and my lord. Just because I don't believe the world was created this way or another way doesn't mean I will not have a place in the Kingdom of God.

We're all pilgrims simply passing through this world.

I answered your question, didn't I?

Just because you think you don't need something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

Everything is here for a reason, including God.

I follow the core doctrines of Christianity. The Bible is meant for you to research, learn, and study. It was meant so that we could discuss it with others in a logical viewpoint. There are many things to be taken literally, and many things that aren't. Christians must use common sense and the wisdom given to them by Christ. Just because the Bible says that it's "better to lose an arm than to lose your entire self to Hell" doesn't mean that we should cut off our arms to prevent going to Hell. It's to illustrate how serious sin is and how seriously it could affect our lives.

My God is the Christian God. He is the one and only. (Unless you want to talk about the Holy Trinity.)

There is no debate about this.

orly?

I believe cheesecake is amazing. Some people not so much. Why doesn't everyone believe cheesecake is amazing? :(

I guess it's personal choice and preference.

(I think cheesecake was a bad example.)

heres a question i still haven't had answered.
if god created man
who the hell created dinosaurs
and
if there is one god why is it that there are so many of them?
if the isrealites are the chosen people then why are we wasting time with their god?

thought god was indiscriminate...

Also, there's a lot of work to be done as a Christian. I think spreading the Gospel is much more important than trying to protest gay marriage.

Church and religion should be separate. I feel that if we spread the Gospel, we don't really have to worry about abortions/homosexuality/etc.etc. It all comes with spreading the Gospel.

But we're getting very, very lazy. Christianity in America is horrible. Every other nations in the world are criticizing America and saying, "Why do you not believe in the Sovereignty of God?"

Sucks.

If you're a good Christian and all, how come I've seen you member bash a lot?

God created dinosaurs. (Again, this is my opinion. You'll find a range of different ideas from Christians.) Right now, I'm leaning more towards the idea that the world is billions of years old and dinosaurs came and went. God divinely inspired the world to go from here to there.

Christians believe that there is one God. We believe that is the only way towards salvation. Religion has been around since the dawn of man. Men have always created their own god, whether it be a rock or a golden statue.

The people of Israel were the chosen ones to spread the Gospel and Doctrines of Christ to all men and women regardless of race.

Just because they're chosen doesn't mean they're better than everyone else.

God is indiscriminate, that's why the Gospel was spread internationally.

There is no such thing as a "good" Christian. Either you are a Christian or you are not.

I am a Christian, however I am also human. I realize that I tend to say things I don't mean and say things I regret. I realize that I have made enough mistakes to last me a life time, and yet I still make mistakes. I realize that I have done enough things that would justify my death. I realize that I am literally, nothing.

If I were to die now, no one would care. If I were to die now, some people would even find joy in that.

I am nothing.

Yet because of Christ's unending mercy, his unending grace, and his everlasting Glory, I am able to get back on my feet and say that I will try once more. And once more again. Until the day I die, I will make myself a better person because I will follow Christ's example. I am still learning. I realize that I am, in Apostle Paul's words, "no better than a bug."

Christianity is an instant conversion and a lifelong change. Everyday I will be inspired by Christ to live my life as a better person.

Your answer, Arjuna, is because I am a shitty person. Thank God for his unending mercy that he showers upon me.

Thanks for your honest answer.

Im still in awe that podo wants to be a pastor.

I wouldnt have expected it comming from him but good for him dude!

*leaves debate since im not allowed to be here*