I didn't either.

I find it unlikely but you never know. That's why I'm Agnostic.

i don't see anything that leads me to believe there is a god though, so i don't think im ignoring anything. there isn't anything for me to ignore. other than claims that other people make, and they're just as human as me, so there's no reason for me to believe they would be any more right than i am.

god doesn't need to do anything for me, i don't ask anything of him or expect him to

i'm not sure why god would be sad i don't believe in him. he's all knowing, he knew before he made me i'd not accept it. so if he didn't wanna be sad he shouldn't have made me. wouldn't bother me, i wouldn't be able to be bothered by it.

When did you become a Christian?

Been a "Christian" all my life.

Became a follower of Christ about a little more than half a year now.

Than? :)

I don't know that I'm easy to evangelize to, I'm pretty faithless. I'll listen to all the moralities and learn from the Bible, but I still don't see how any of this is going to make me a believer or instill faith in "God/Jesus" in me. I'll always think that there's a higher being that brought everything into existence, but I don't know if I'll ever believe in the God of Abraham. My parents tried to fix this by sending me to church classes, confirmation etc, but I think that was a wrong approach to take. I was also once convinced of it by a youth minster who was training me at work (environmental job, not church lol). I realized that the only reason I was believing him is because I wanted to have a higher power to rely on and fall back on. At the time I wasn't the best student and was having issues with my parents (due to me being a little shit). Anyways, I took a look at life from a different perspective and realized that I was just vulnerable to his propaganda (propaganda is such a harsh word, I don't mean it harshly). Regardless, I'll stop ranting :) I'm enjoying this debate, kudos to you

I have been a "Christian" all my life too. What's the difference? I'm pretty religious, but I don't share with people unless they ask.

Also, what if someone were to accept god but say nothing about it, tell it to no one. It shouldn't matter, but does it? Does one have to openly pronounce his faith?

^ It matters. It would be considered as not being proud of God. I heard that in church.

God is very demanding.

Also, could this be supported with biblical evidence? Is it actually in the Bible or is that what the Pope/Vatican/Priests/Reverends/Ministers say?

Oh man I need to talk to my uncle about all this. Lutheran Minister. I'd be interested in what he has to say about the matter.

Edit:: I'm not trying to seem like an ass, just curious.

I think it's in the book of Jobs or Psalms when God said something about dancing for him in public, I'm not quite sure. But anyway, I DEFINITELY know that preachers say we have to be 'out there' for God or something along those lines.

Btw, you didn't come off as an ass.

I can though, and know I do quite often :)

Ah well if it's mentioned in the Bible I really have no basis for argument against it there lol. Unless of course, it's one of those things thats written very obscurely and is up to interpretation.

Well, it's forgotten =)

Anyway, maybe someone with good knowledge of the Bible should respond to this question. I think it's a sin from what I've heard so far. In the book of Psalms, it's all about shout for God, sing and dance and things like that.

God has high needs, what can we do?

Christians, what do you think about evolution? I'm a pretty firm believer as it's kinda hard to disprove, what with adaptation, darwanism, etc.

if they say that, i definitely think they need to stop. people running around being "out there for god" hasn't helped anything. there's a ton of idiots running around being "out there for god" and don't seem to have any clue what they're talking about. it goes back to what podo said about things going downhill once people started condemning others

I find it ridiculous to be the off spring of a chimp. Btw, HAHA @ Suzzette's picture.

^why?

Because, it's a chimp for the love of Satan. I am more for the big bang theory.

^why are u "more" for that?

it's not as if a chimp randomly one day gave birth to a human or something. i don't think u know anything about evolution, but im assuming.

Haha. I know about evolution. I've read the debate threads, I've informed myself online, I've watched the national geographic chanel. It seems probable but I can't get passed 'it's a chimp'.

I'd rather believe in the big bang theory because I personally find it more probable.

Although, I am not 100 % sure about anything. Who knows, maybe God created us?

i still don't think u have a clue what ur talking about, personally.

since we're talking about human evolution, not the origin of the universe then i don't really even know why u said that. but ok

maybe i'm thinking of something else and not getting ur post

More probable that all of a sudden there was a huge explosion then there was earth with humans here at the same time as the apes that have been carbon dated ages before humans who have very similar characteristics to apes who also have similar species that become more and more human like becoming younger and younger each time? Worst grammatical post, ever.

yeah, forget what i said. x2 to steven

I am not talking about the origin of the univers rather evolution. I don't want to believe that we evolued from chimps. It's a personal belief, simple. I am not saying that I am 100 % sure that I'm right, it doesn't rock my boat.

EDIT// There was a big bang, one thing led to another, humans were formed.
Again, I said I was more for this theory than the ape theory. I am as unsure as anything.

ya might be more christian than i thought

because you don't want to look like a chimp, because they're fans of poo flinging? Evolution is a very good explanation for a lot of things, and is scientifically proven.

... nah. Still can't get myself to agree. I find the big bang theory to be a little bit out of the ordinary.
I don't have a valid explanation as to why I don't fully believe in these theories. Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that God may exist?

i don't think a god existing conflicts with evolution, or doesn't have to.

the Christian god does, yes

so would u be fully up for believing god made u from dirt like the bible says?

i'll take the chimps

Obviously I'm talking about the Religious God. Be it Christian or something else.

EDIT// I didn't say that. I am a doubter, I doubt everything. God might exist, he might not. The ape or big bang theory may be right, it may not. I doubt everything.

Although, I must admit that the evolution theories seem much more convincing than God's.

Saying I'm a Christian brings along a lot of unwanted baggage. Besides, I find Christians way too off course from Jesus' legacy for me to follow it. I am just a sinner begging for mercy. A follower of Christ. Nothing more, and a lot less.

The Bible says to spread the word, the Good word, AKA the Gospels. That doesn't mean you should strive to be a televangelist and work in the ministry all your life.

Let me explain to you with the parable of the talents. The master goes away on a holiday for a while, and gives his servants each a certain amount of coins. One recieved five, one recieved three, one recieved one. ( I'm not sure of exactly how many talents/coins he gave, but this is the basic idea ) and he expected them to use the coins well. The first servant and second servant invest well and bring more out of the coins that the master had brought. But interestingly, the last servant did nothing with it. He buried the coin deep in the ground and did nothing.

Now, for some people, spreading the word could be standing in front of millions preaching the Gospel. But for some, it could be talking to one friend about it. For some, it could be a simple signature of some sort.

We all have different size cups. Jesus will fill all of our cups to the brim, but the only difference is how much we can take.

So yes, it's necessary to spread the word, but it doesn't mean you have to evangelize to millions like Reverend Billy Graham did.

I'm a sinning, fucking, swearing Christian. I love God.

I'm a non-denominational Christian meaning:
I realize that there are many different ways you can interpret specific parts in the Bible, but the core message is always the same. You believe in Christ, try your best to love him, and you goto Heaven.

I believe evolutionism and creationism can blend in well together.

But to say that evolution was the start of everything is a complete hole.

Evolution teaches us why we are, not how we are. Also, when evolution comes and tries to speak for the human mind, there's little it can say.

To a certain extent, I agree with you.

I'll answer more questions later. Got classes tonight.

Mmmm ic ic. Out of curiosity, do you have a take on how evolution/creation blend together? I'm not asking for fact or sources, just curious as to your opinion on the matter.

I think he's referring to when you believe that God guided evolution.

Ah

I don't think it would matter. I mean, unless you deny it. You're life as a Christian should be enough to spread the word. If you find yourself being a televangelist, so be it. If you find yourself talking to a bunch of people on an internet forum, so be it. What is the meaning of life:

Love, to be where you are, wherever you are, loving those around you.

That's your calling as a Christian. Where ever love calls you to be, that's where you're supposed to be. I'm actually mad at God right now. I have been for a while. Believe it or not, I think that I talk to God. I fight with him. God is the most sarcastic, loving, honest thing that ever existed. He's shown me everything I have ever wanted to see. Everything I have ever wanted to know. There is only one thing that I don't understand that I want to understand, and that is...

Why the hell did You fucking create us?!

Sounds odd, but there have been times when I have literally yelled that question at the top of my lungs. It feels so good to tell people that. Anyway, I know it has some connection to love (every answer in the bible does), but I haven't been satisfied with anything anyone has ever written or told me. How could He have loved us before Adam was created. The most honest answer I have ever received is, "There are some things we will just never know until we get into heaven."

Creation fills in the blanks where evolution is void.

I've been in similar situations where I have also literally yelled at God, " WHY? WHY ME? " but I realize being mature means that just because bad things happen doesn't mean I should quit.

God has healed me in so many ways, I cannot begin. There has been so many times where the heart has called " Abba, Father, I pray to you with sincerity in my heart...I'm in pain, I need you, these tears don't stop, " and he's answered those calls so many times to me, and to others.

Being human means that we won't always know why. Being human means we're going to be hurt so many times. Being human means we're going to lose loved ones one way or another. Being human means being frustrated with life. Being human means sometimes life is going to appear very dim.

But rest assured, you can find comfort in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Answer his call.

You keep talking about Christ. While I agree that Christ dieing upon the cross is the center of the Christian religion. Where does God fall into play for you?

Because it is THROUGH Jesus Christ that we can submit in humility before God.

Question:

If you blend Christianity and Evolution, doesn't that conflict with itself? Then you have to fully disregard Genesis 1;2, and even when Jesus mentions the creation.

I am just wondering. It is amazing to me to see people mix the two together.

God created the world. Animals can evolve. I see nothing wrong with that. Evolution cannot give an answer as to where/how/when we came. There is a gap. I find creationism can fill that void.

but the time scale is drastically different. evolution needs millions of years

and how does evolution not tell us how, when or where?

Likewise, I think the original theory of Darwin had many valid points scientifically. But of course, there's lots of crap that needs to be taken out.

Ever notice how the numbers seem to get bigger? 1970's said "many a thousand years ago," 1980's said "many a hundred thousand years ago," and 1990's-2000's now say millions, and some even say billions.

The missing gap between humans and animals.

Question 2:

Exactly how do you think God did it?
For example, gaps between each day of creation, etc.

u should read the article i just posted in the news section today. i don't think there's a gap though. there's a lot of things that shows common ancestry between us, and i don't know why god would just slip them in for fun.