i already started. 2m. 2w. 6d.

Ugh. I was into Twilight for like... a few months. Since then, I've realized just how much I hate it. It's really nothing but really bad, vampire fanfiction and is shittier than shitty stories you can find on fictionpress.com.

The editors are terrible - how many freaking typos can there possibly be in a book?

And the characters! What the f**k is up with the characters?! Edward is way too cheesy and idealistic for his own good. He comes, goes, does this, does that, and in the end, is essentially what a woman thinks a man should be. If I ever met a guy like Edward, I probably wouldn't go out of my way to be his friend. And what the f**k at Bella. She's a spineless, stubborn, incredibly stupid character who really can't make good decisions. f**k Bella.

And vampires can't control somebody's minds and can only control bodies? That's bullshit, too. There's really no fine line between body and mind. Emotions are not just a bodily function, there very heavily set and controlled in different parts of the brain. And the mind? Everything you do to the body effects the mind. The mind, itself, is a result of biology, chemistry, psychology. Anything that happens mentally has to do with the body.

UGHafasd;fkj.

I hate this book and can't stand the hype about it.

GTFO!

lol I admit that the books aren't exactly literature... but neither are lots of books that people love like Harry Potter. What I think makes them amazing is how they tug at your heartstrings. Edward might be cheesy to some, but he's perfect to me And of course it's fantasy, so I give lots of leeway in terms of drama and such.

QUOTE(heartquasm @ May 15 2008, 04:03 AM)

And vampires can't control somebody's minds and can only control bodies? That's bullshit, too. There's really no fine line between body and mind. Emotions are not just a bodily function, there very heavily set and controlled in different parts of the brain. And the mind? Everything you do to the body effects the mind. The mind, itself, is a result of biology, chemistry, psychology. Anything that happens mentally has to do with the body.

You're right, vampires can't control someone's mind and control bodies. That's the difference between traditional vampires and vampires of this book. These vampires aren't suppose to be your back-in-the-day-let's-get-roasted-when-the-sun-comes-up. And I also agree with you on the body and mind.

Let's remember however that the Twilight series is more of a fiction novel then anything else. It may not be real literature, but it's something that we all can escape too.

This is kind of off topic but I was just wondering... Edward can read minds, and at the least Rosalie is supposed to just be extremely pretty. What exactly is Esme's special power?

the ability to love unconditionally... or something with love

The ability to love passionately... something like that.

Oh and my sister is reading the book, FINALLY. XD

^ YAY!!! more fanpiers

oh i really did not like the typos in this book = = sorta ruined it on some parts for me. i liked twilight the best out of all of them so far. eclipse got a bit boring for me XD edward cullen is lovely however <3

You completely misunderstood me. In an interview with Meyer, she wrote that her vampires can control and affect the body, but couldn't control the mind. I'm saying that to say something like that is contradictory in itself AND in her novels. I get that these vamps aren't your run-of-the-mill vampires, but I'm pretty much pissed that the creator of these vampires can't even get her facts and ideas straight.

what typos? everyone is talking about them but where are they at

There is a character that can create the illusion in one's mind that they are physically in pain. She does it to Edward in New Moon and to a rabid young vampire in Eclipse.

Stephanie can be a little cryptic in her interviews, especially since the series isn't quite finished (the last book will be out in August).

The only character that is entirely immune to anything dealing with the mind is Bella. Edward cannot read her mind, Aro cannot read the history in her mind and Jane is unable to affect her. I'm wondering if Bella was who she was referring to when she said that vampires only affect the body because in Bella's case, that is entirely true. No one knows why yet, although many characters are curious as to what her post vamp ability would be, since the superfluous abilities that vampires sometimes attain is directly linked to certain gifts they have as humans. Bella's mind is extraordinarily private which is why, some speculate, mind type abilities have no effect on her.

!!!!

There are a few, from what I've heard but I have yet to notice them. Then again, I'm typically so absorbed that I more than likely just pass over them.

true

so does anyone know someone who ... *sob* hates twilight?

i'm still the only guy in this club. yay!

Off site, nope. Everyone I know that has read it, loves it. Hell, my sister already finished Twilight and is borrowing New Moon when she comes to visit from CA next week. (I'll have to do my weekly re-read of the last few chapters before she gets here. XD)

Has anyone ever listened to any of the books on CD? I acquired Twilight on CD, put it in my iPod and YUCK. The reader is terrible. She pronounces "Volvo", "Valvo". She has this odd accent. It's terrible. She ruins the entire vibe. I'm going to record myself reading it instead.

edit: Fabulous touch with the bears. Should get some with fangs on it or something. Some Edward Cullen bears.

"Valvo" that would ruin it for me!

haha, they should make edward cullen figurines

check out this video by the vlogbrothers, it has a blurb about edward cullen in it. it's pretty much true and funny.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E6yBzErQZYo

Ah, here we go:


I cut off his hair. :[

LOL even better.

haha i love the bears!!!

heh heh, sorry to say, but I'm a guy too...

i hope the first chapter and the cover art is posted online somwhere.
HINTHINT. anybody who's planning to go get it... :]]

^ where would it be at?

i have noooo clue, if it's even going to be posted online...

*sob* i need that to tide me over to the 2nd

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGMOMGOGMOMGOGMOGMOG
MOGMOGMOMGOMGOGMOMGOGMOGMOGOMGGMOMGOGOGMOGMOGMGOMG
OMGOMGOMGMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGMOGMGOMGGGGGGGGGGGG
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

i can't breathe.
COVERRRRRRR


so, erm, who's gonna be a darling and share maybe a little bit of the first chapter? :]

[edit]

EHMYGAWD. WAITWAITWAIT.
IT'S A CHESS BOARD. AND PIECES.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A BATTTTTLLLLLEEEEE. i just know it.

A special edition is coming out now? I already have my hardcover copy and don't want to buy the SE. Maybe an e-book will be put up online and you can download it.

RockItStudios, can you edit your post so that it doesn't stretch the board?

Ahh! So that's what it looks like. It's different than the theme than the others have had, but there's still the red bit.

EEEEEE! LOOKEH WHAT I JUST FOUND. it's only part. BUT STILL.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20203238,00.html

EVEN BETTER.
http://saint-ann.livejournal.com/21072.html

oh, yeah, post edited, sorry.

OMG!!!! first chapter!!!!!

is is bad to say that im not so happy about the cover art? dont get me wrong, its good, but not at all what i thought it would be.

oh well, maybe its like robert, it will grow on me

i was like... "huh, interesting" at first. then i was lyke ZOMG, CHESS BOARD. i think there's going to be some sort of battle, whether it's Bella for her life, or maybe the pieces represent the strength/power of the people or groups that are going to fight.


i was up until like three, reading the chapter over and over. i think mom's gonna take me to B&N today so I can preorder it!

i just finished! that is so not how i pictured them telling charlie! i already preordered mine

"Didn't break the skin – trust me"

*goes off to read first ch again*

first chapter! http://saint-ann.livejournal.com/21072.html

I guess what I meant to say was that Stephanie's reasoning as to why Jasper could still affect Bella's emotions is faulty. Bella is supposedly supposed to have an extremely private mind, which is why the vampire who could create illusions of pain couldn't affect her, Edward can't read her mind, etc... but Jasper can affect her emotions because it has to do with her body.

I think that that's complete bs, personally. Anybody who's studied psychology would know that everything in the brain is a bodily function, therefore, the mind is so interlinked with the body that to say "this is the mind" and "this is the body" is ridiculous. So, if some vampire had the ability to change her memory, would they be messing with her mind or her body? Because memory is a result of the body, various neurotransmitters in all areas of the brain, etc...

Emotions has ties in bodily functions but is also very much linked to the brain, but ... would that be the mind or the body?

I really don't think it's wise for her to make such a differentiation and feel that she's just pulling at strings when she reasons this out.

That and I feel that her writing really isn't particularly good and her characters are very flat. Edward seems like such an interesting character, but his intrigue really only lasts through 3/4 of Twilight. And I can't stand Bella.

Thanks for the LJ link, Becka. :D Thanks for editing your post, too.

Bianca, I didn't think the cover would look like that either, but I think the chess image is really important in hinting to what the book will be about. Since there's a queen and a pawn, someone looking at the cover would probably assume that the white side wins the battle (because a pawn is the weakest piece in chess), but the red pawn might also win against the queen/white side. Because even though the queen is the most powerful piece in chess, a pawn can be used to win since there are eight of those but only one queen. If pawns are manipulated correctly, one of them can get rid of the queen and king.

I hope that explanation makes sense, but it might not if you don't know how to play chess, lol.

I have a few theories about the cover...

The pawn is red. Pawns are weak in general, so maybe it's Bella? What if she gets hurt? Or maybe the red means she's deadly, and an unexpected threat.

Or Bella could be the white queen, after she gets turned?

edit: haha yes it is pawn. fixed it.

Breaking Dawn-related posts from the Twilight movie club have been moved here.

edward cullen is so sexy ;x

^ f**k yes!

You've read the books, Moni?

i think its pawn, but good ideas

haha not all of them. i'm just about halfway done with twilight &woooo, that edwared cullen is a beast ;D

you'll be sooo mad in New Moon! :[

^ and you'll be really sad but dont worry it gets happy!

New Moon was my favorite actually, despite the sadness. It's the book with the most "true" emotion, IMO. Plus the cool European and Volturi stuff.

^ eh, it was my least fav. but the ending was really good