Go fuck yourself, we want to argue.

I think that it would be a choice or in some cases, a learned behavor.

But you aren't debating... why do you think that?

It's determined in the womb.

There are gay animals, and gay bugs.

If it happens naturally in mother nature, what is stopping it from happening naturally in humans?

It is DISGUSTING how some people can look at it like an illness, and that is the main problem with organized religion.
I hate close minded people.

Gay bugs?

I think it's a mental problem. My pastor told me it was a sin. He told me to open my mind to the idea of gay people not being born gay. He told me to let the idea of homosexuality being a choice enter into my open mind. He told me this while he was showing homosexual deeds to me so I could know which ones are sins.

He said that even Satan hates homosexuals. He said that Satan's number was 666 and not 44. He says that Satan turns the up the thermostat in hell when he sees a gay. This is why I burn gay bugs with a magnifying glass. I believe him. I think that he is a very nice man.

He said that my body is a temple unto the Lord. He said, "Would God want a Penis inside the back door of his temple?" This makes sense to me because I wouldn't want a giant penis in the back door of my house. Why would God want a giant penis in his back-door? I want to be more like God. I would probably beat it out that penis with a newspaper, just like a dirty stray dog. I would say, "No! Get out!"

I think that he has opened my mind, and you are a liar. You are feeding the world with lies. Bugs don't have penis. How can you tell a bug sexual orientation. If you open your mind you will know this.

You should be a gay for saying this. Jesus is in your heart. You just have to look around at nature. Just look at all the trees. You will believe.

I think it could be both.
At birth and by choice.

because someone could be born liking the same sex but later not really be into it i guess

I would like it to be known that he wrote me a message telling me he replied, because this was so important I had to read it.


How dare you call me a liar. Just because you're priest showed you some gay porn to "open your mind" to Jesus doesn't mean it's true!
Have you ever seen Jesus, or seen god, or seen someone be sent to hell for being gay. NO YOU HAVEN'T. I have seen gay dogs, and gay monkeys with my own f*cking eyes.

People like you that try to force your religion on people are sick. That is a learned behavior and it is disgusting. America is the land of the free, and just because Christians don't believe in gay marriage doesn't mean it's wrong. Not everyone in America is a Christian, so not everyone should have to follow Christian principals. That's why most people come to America, to free themselves from religious persecution, only to receive it here. It's sick and wrong, and we as Americans need to realize this.

Now, for the truth. Your priest is a sick, sick man. He showed you gay acts to show you what was wrong? That's wrong. That will mess up anyone if shoved down their throat long enough. (no pun intended )

I am not offended by anything you say to me. Saying I "should be a gay" is just dumb. You need to arm yourself with more than what your mighty priest tells you before you try to tell me how it is.

If you believe in God so much, and want to be like him QUIT BASHING PEOPLE FOR THE WAY THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES. If you are right, God will come and teach all us "sinners" a lesson himself. SO LET HIM DO IT! If he is as powerful as they teach you he doesn't need some young dumb-@ss sticking up for him.

Shazam!

Win.

ha yea, that's kinda lame
kinda like..
the rest of ur post



i mean this is just dandy and all but i don't see how u can read uronacid's post and think he's being completely serious and get so offended, and yea bla bla bla u said "i am not offended by anything you say to me". yea well the length of ur post makes it seem otherwise

DOES NOBODY KNOW BULLSHIT WHEN THEY READ IT?



this is SO right, he should have armed himself with a real defense on this matter, such as the sexuality of bugs


for the most part, i think it's a learned behavior.
and i don't understand a lot of people(not all) who "come out" and all the sudden act different, in a way that fits more into the gay stereotype of how gay people should act. that's extremely ridiculous to me, i don't see why a gay man would act all that much different than a straight man in normal day to day routines. i know gay guys who u wouldn't know they were gay...and that's how i think it should be. i'm not saying they should hide anything, i just don't think it needs to be thrown in everyones face that OMG THEY'RE GAY. if it's "not a big deal" then why the f**k act like it is. i think i'm off subject, but oh well, i think it's a learned behavior more than anything

being gay, not so much a choice.
acting out your gaydom... THATs the choice.

very true
but when people choose to act out their "gaydom" it makes me feel it's more a learned behavior than anything
makes it seem like it's for attention and that it needs to be evident they are aren't straight

so let me understand this...

a straight person, acting straight, and kissing on a member of the opposite sex, and being girly when they're a girl, and masculine when they're a guy is NOT learned behaviour...
a girl who preferrs to play sports and be "one of the guys" is NOT showing off learned behaviour, she's just a "tomboy"...
they aren't doing anything for attention, they're just expressing themselves in the way THEY like to express themselves.

but if a guy is attracted to the same sex, and expresses himself in a femanine way, it's a learned behaviour, or a way to get attention, because it's not the social norm?
just because he acts different?


well i guess all those kids who express themselves by their clothing style, or through painting, singing, or creative writing, or other means of expression are all products of "learned behaviour" and not doing something that just might come naturally to them.

or are expressivly gay people exempt from this, because of their sexual orientation?

did u read my post?
i specifically said people who "come out" and all the sudden act a different way that fits into the gay stereotype

i don't know what to say because i don't think we're even talking about the same thing

when people come out, it's like a weight lifted off thier shoulders, and they feel that they can finally be who they are without feeling restricted.

-- yes i read your post, you just weren't specific to what you meant by . when they act out their gaydom, it makes you feel like it's a learned behaviour.
i took it as them being gay is a learned behaviour, and them acting who they are is a learned behaviour.--

i guess it's the feminine thing i don't get
i get that SOME guys are more feminine than others, but i don't get why so many gay guys are.
i don't get why the majority of gay guys wouldn't just act like the majority of straight guys in normal day to day conversations and what not

who knows
i don't get it
maybe someday ill understand

I would say it's half and half.
It might even be safe to say that MOST gay guys act like "normal" guys.

The ones you notice, are the ones that are flamboyant.
The ones that aren't flamboyant are overlooked, because they seem so "normal"

because that's who they are.

plain and simple.

there's nothing more TO understand.

Jesus said that you will reap what you sow. Have you hear this? No, I do not think you have. You see the farmer was a man, and he was not gay. If Jesus was not gay then how can't homosexuality be a choice? Amen brother. You need to open your eye to truth of the Book. People will see you and your point of view. They say you are a dumb gay. Now, I try to be serious about things.

I try to love you as a brother in Christ, and you are persecuting me. You are persecuting me for all that has been done at calvary. My pastor has said that this will happen. You should repent of your sin. You are helping others goto burn in fire of hell. Do you want to burn.

Also, you are the one who is ignorant. I said Pastor, and I did not say priest. Learn your school. I goto very good school in Hong Kong, and I am very proud to be in America now. One thing I do not like about America is gay. Homosexual is very wrong here. People are waving rainbow, and rainbow is a sign that God would never flood the earth, but now gay is flooding America. This you cannot deny.

You are a liar. I do not bash people for gay. They are putting penis in back door of God's temple. I would not want Penis in my back door. What do you you say to that?



You are evil. My pastor says you look like Satan, but not to fear. He says that you may have cancer from no eyebrow hair. Some say to pierce your skin is a sin. You're sinning. You are putting holes in the temple. What if someone put a hole in your house? You look like cow from Hong Kong. My mother is laughing. She says you are very Indian. This is a bad insult in my country. We say Indian are primitive. We do not value a primitive opinion.

and you need to learn that pushing religion on people, is not very religious.
Jesus also said "let he who is WITHOUT sin cast the first stone".

and since every human is born with "original sin", and in the eyes of the bible, everybody sins somehow, whether it be taking the lords name in vain, or getting a piercing, or whatever other random thing is condemned by the bible, you're with sin by persocuting somebody who is gay.

why? because you're judging them. you have no right to judge somebody on anything. only god does. so saying that gays are wrong because the bible says so, you're wrong because you're not God who can make the decision saying that they're wrong.

and.. as for this little gem..




Nice try, kid.
I am native indian. not eastern indian.
your christian beliefs killed my people, and yet i do not hold YOU accountable for that.
I am evil for sins far beyond shaving my eyebrows and piercing my face and tattooing my body.
my cancer will come from cigarette smoking, not from shaving my eyebrows.
if somebody put a hole in my house? they're called windows.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

hi mom!!

i r satan.
i will eat your babies and rub tartar sauce on them for flavor.
mmmmmm.

try again. keep the topic on homosexuality.
not me, and my beliefs, and my own sins.

you're still being unchristianlike.

cyberdick, I agrees with the dark homo man. He raises good point, my people are not smart. We chew tobacco of the blue fox guide and smoke the peace pipe till we eat many doritos and twinkies under the harvest moons night. Then we send our men out for a spirit journey, where they learn the ways of the wampum and the white woman. The white woman is a devil temptress with her pink vaginal ways, but she teaches man how to be man of the Iroche tribe. We then go to kill buffalo's in a street full of the white demon, and drink until we gamble. Once we gamble money away to casino, we drink. We then drink. After that we drink. Then we smoke more of peace pipe. Then we drink again and rape until we can no rape more. We then kill white men, and drink, and rape, and gamble.

We no gay.

uhhhhhh...
aside from that whole thing seeming to be making fun of me, but just not making any sense at all....

i never said you were gay.

You implied it. This is offensive to me. I cannot believe that you did this. It is because you are not Christian, or it is because you are just a gay? How do you like this? Do you like being called gay. You are gay, and you will burn.

You believe in gravity, but can you see this? You believe in wind, but can you see this. You believe in space, but can you see this? You need faith. You need to see this you gay.

You do not understand. I am not sin. I do not have sin because I am from China. In China we do not believe this is sin.

I went to church almost all of my life. I have read what the bible has to say, and I have heard priests use and abuse it to fit what they think is a Christian lifestyle. Homosexuality is not flooding America by any means. It's starting to become more socially acceptable to be gay and that, my friend, is a great thing.

As I said before, God is said to be a powerful man, so let him tell people how to live. If we are wrong he will exact his revenge on his own. I am sure he can do if he could make all of humanity.

I am left to wonder if you are kidding, or if their are really people in the world that are this ignorant.

OMFG your ignorant at the fact that you really think hes serious..
Did you happen to miss this post?



Its a choice.
I don't see how the hell it can be determined at birth o_O *baby comes out of vagina in doctors hands* Oh here you go you have a new gay baby boy, congratulations.

lmao

It can take years for things like food and drug allergies to manifest, so even though that's always been in your body it isn't always apparent. Same concept for gay people.

It's not a learned behavior. There are things that you might identify with, but it doesn't mean that they taught you to be gay.

u state it like it's a fact

yeah, it's definitely a choice.
whether conscious or subconscious, its a choice to live a lifestyle that pretty much goes against nature.

I believe this very strongly. I know it's not a learned behavior.



How does that go against nature if animals do it?

how do u know it's not?

Because it happens naturally in nature.

No matter how many gay people a dog is surrounded by, it will never learn to be gay. A dog, or a monkey, will be gay because they are wired that way. Some people are wired that same way.

we aren't dogs
we aren't talking about if homosexuality is a choice for dogs
we're talking about humans

what's normal for an animal isn't necessarily normal for a human, and they often do things for different reasons than humans. ever heard of male dogs mounting each other as a way of showing dominance? not necessarily for sexual pleasure. just because a dog performs a "homosexual act" doesn't mean that dog is gay, or that it prefers male dogs, because the same dog would probably do the same thing with a female. it's ridiculous to base ur opinion off what animals do, because sexual orientation in animals and sexual orientation in humans are completely different.

But, you are saying it is a learned behavior. That's not possible if animals don't learn it. Even some pigs are gay, and they are the closest thing to humans in the animal world. Something like 3 or 4 chromosomes off.

Anyhoo. Scientist are starting to find that they can detect hormonal imbalances in the womb (I believe it was stated previously in this post). They are actually trying to cure being gay. They wouldn't be able to do that if it were a learned behavior.

omfg, thank you!


Personally I think its by the experiences you go through in life that kind of affect what orientation you are. I mean think about it.

A woman is raped by a guy she may have been closed to and once straight but after so a traumatic trauma she just doesn't want to be with men or trust them because something like that happened so she turns over to women because it seems like she can trust them more.

I'm no ignorant, but I can't possibly understand how the hell theres a gay gene.

^ so ur saying being gay is something that needs to be cured? it's a disease?


once again, just because an animal engages in a homosexual act doesn't mean that animal is gay. it doesn't go around looking for only same sex partners. i don't care what pigs do, WE AREN'T PIGS. pigs have completely different lifestyles than humans. don't u see a difference between homosexuality in animals and humans? are our chromosomes similar? yeah. is anything else in our lifestyle similar? no not really


me eitherrrrrrrrr

I am not saying that, scientist are saying that.

Don't kill the messenger, but being gay is not really accepted in America, so of course they want to "fix" all gay people.

LMAO




Alright, I'll stop acting Chinese, and tell you off. You are an ignorant bitch. Stop it already. Gay people should stop trying to press this "I'm born gay" issue, and just accept that they want to be gay. I personally could care less if you or anyone you know is a homosexual. In fact, I don't mind homosexuals at all. At the same time, when in Rome. You don't goto the crypts and tell them your a blood. You play along, and try your best to fit in so you don't get your ass kicked. The only point I'm trying to make in saying this is:

If your going to be some flamboyant homosexual with tight pants and a pink shirt then you should just accept the fact that society doesn't take well to people who are clearly standing out. Why do you think people hang together in groups? Because they have similar ideas, they compliment each other. A flamboyant homosexual with a bunch of jocks would just seem out of place because it is out of place. They aren't going to accept this queer kid with a lisp. It's not because he's gay, it's just because he's a fucking alien to them.

Jeez, if you gay people want to fit in and hang out and be accepted by everyone then don't act like women because you're not going to fit in. I say this is because it is the reason people are bring up this whole "determined at birth issue". They don't want to accept that they made the choice to be different. They just want to prove they were born this way so they blame it on something that's not their fault. If they do this, people will have to "accept" them or become "racist". Just fucking admit to wanting the dick whether it's subconscious or not.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

1.

My first point, The articles you're talking about clearly state that their research into homosexuality being a "birth defect" are no-where near complete or close to proving any theory anyone might have about sexual orientation being determined in the womb. The very last paragraph in the article even states this:

"There are plenty of gay men who are first-borns, many straight men with older brothers and many women whose fingers give no clue to their sexual orientation."

In this Breedlove (the doctor who did this research) practically says, "My research doesn't mean shit at this point so don't take it to seriously right now." He has no proof that sexual orientation is determined by the hormones.

Androgen (The hormone that he believes may be the cause of homosexuality.) causes abnormalities in finger growth among men and is exposed more and more to fetuses as the number of child births in a single womb increase. There is no accurate way to measure exactly how much of this hormone a fetus is exposed to. Therefore he uses there finger size and number of siblings from a womb to determine an estimate.

Essentially, The final paragraph says that he is no where near proving this theory even though he would like to think it's true and finds it very fascinating that it could be.

In conclusion to this point, just because research is being done doesn't mean that it's complete. Just because someone is testing a theory doesn't mean that that theory is true. Stop throwing it in our faces that research is being done. We know it's being done, and we're fairly certain that it's going to be a waste of time. Don't base your argument on this vague bit of research. Fuck your research you ignorant little girl.

2.

My second point, just because a few animals fuck doesn't mean that homosexuality is determined at birth. Have you seen a dog that only fucks male dogs? I highly doubt it. What makes you think it's not just a stupid horny animal that wants to have sex with another animal regardless of it's sex. Men do that in prison all the time. They just want to use their fuck sticks.

Also, I have yet to see a "gay" bug... Hold up... Wait, thank you google...

3.

Thirdly, I would like to know:
If you think homosexuality is determined in genes. How would this gene pass itself on if caused an individual to have no desire to reproduce?

Actually, it has been observed in the laboratory and in nature that hundreds and hundreds of different animal species exhibit exclusive homosexual preference. This is to say that animals do not merely exhibit homosexual behavior. Rather, there are animals who are exclusively attracted to the same sex, despite all other variables being reasonably considered. Homosexuality is a natural phenomena. Given our observations and our knowledge of neurological functions, animals do not have a choice in regards to their sexual orientation.

We are more like animals than not. f**k, we are animals. Insofar as all the science suggests, sexual orientation is not a choice.

Many of the animals they talk about are animals that choose a mate, stick with it, and move on after their homosexual relationships. They are only exclusive for periods of time. Either way, these animals aren't able to be watched and are also suspected to have intercourse with the opposite sex too. For you to say that animals partake in exclusive homosexual relationships as if they do it over the course of their entire life is withholding the actual truth.

http://books.google.com/books?id=w76at4mOW...igEZNg#PPA50,M1

Okay, so you're just closed-minded, then.

Josh, I am revolted that you are still spewing your shit in this topic after all these months. I should report you for what you said to that girl a couple of posts ago, too. Not to mention your racist comments. Holy shit, now I'm actually going to report you because you never cease to be a nasty little bugger.


Please, make a less rational point next time. In what universe does it make sense to say that being gay is a choice because flamboyant gays don't fit in with jocks? First off, not every football player in existence is a narrow minded jackass; some actually have gay friends. Secondly, are you trying to suggest that they're trying to get mainstream society to reject them? Because that's just silly. As far as I can tell from your indecipherable bullshit about the blood and crypts, you're disproving your own 'point.' People don't try not to fit in, so it must be natural for them not to. By saying, "you play along, and try your best to fit in so you don't get your ass kicked," you're suggesting that homosexuals would actually have to play along to seem straight, which would make it a natural thing and not a choice, because in what way does it make sense to suggest that someone should try really hard not to fit in as they simultaneously pretend they do? I cannot believe how dense you are.

aug 27th through sept 23rd = "all these months"

geez josh, so many months u've been spewing ur shit in this topic


i'm so f**king tired
ill be back in the morning with a good post on this topic perhaps
i still don't think it's "determined at birth"

Who are you?

And by 'all these months,' I obviously don't mean this literal thread. There used to be a similar one or something. One way or another, we've been down this road before. But yeah, same shit spewed.

oh i get what u mean now
i only thought that since u said "in this topic"

and im jc, why?
who are u

Can we all try to be civil and stop resorting to insults? It's called DEBATE. We're bound to have different opinions. With this said, Josh, you've been verbally warned.

So, you reported me for my opinion in a debate. Wow, you're 18 years old. Are you still in the "I'm gonna' tell the teacher on you!" phase? When are you going to learn that I don't give a fuck. Hey, while you're out there telling on me for my "ignorant" opinion why don't you go fuck yourself with a tampon. Tell them I said you're a cunt too. Oh, and would you like some cheese with that whine? xD

Also, I'm sorry it was so confusing for you. I was merely saying that if you're going to be a flamboyant gay then the chances of not being accepted are likely to be very high because barely anyone relate to your lifestyle.

I guess I feel like a large percentage of these flamboyant gays who aren't "accepted" want to blame it on genes or birth so they can place the fault of not being accepted on something other than themselves. I think that these "extreme" homosexuals should just accept the fact that many people aren't going to accept them because they are so blatantly different. I'll admit, the bloods and the crypts were extreme, but meh... I like extreme.

I'll try to be less extreme for your sake, sense you don't seem to understand. I'm sure the people who weren't going out of their way to tear my post to shreds would have understood it.

I'm sorry, a flamboyant gay probably wouldn't get accepted by Jocks. Not all Jocks are the same. I agree, but in general you aren't accepted by groups you cannot relate to (this includes myself).

I apologize for being such a narrow minded idiot. I'll tip toe around every bush I see from now on. Try not to put words in my mouth next time. You should probably stop shoving that stick up your ass. I've heard that if you shove it up to far, internal bleeding may occur. That may not be your period blood when your taking a shit. On the other hand and based upon the majority of your posts, you may just be on an eternal menstrual phase. Either way, you should definitely consult a doctor. ;]

I am revolted... no I'm not. I'm just laughing at you for being so upset. Oh, before you tell me you aren't upset and that you don't care, I guess I assumed you were upset because you took the time to sit there and tell me how insanely revolted you were.

Your favorite black homosexual,

Josh ????



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^Click the tiny purple arrow to see where she wrote it.

I was only playin... xD

Cower if you're going to report a post for being misguided and using mean words, you should probably make sure that you take out all your cussing and insults as well, because that just makes you look foolish.

Steven, I fail to see where Cower used insults.

My bad, but if you're that offended by what he's saying, yet you still mention that he's "spewing shit" multiple times, w/e imo.

I verbally warned him for the bitch comment not his opinion. I can warn someone for their opinions ...

I'm not talking about you sandra.