We all know what happens when members break the rules, and whatnot. Warnings, Mutings, Suspensions, Bans...

What should happen to a moderator if they are out of line?

What's the case? What did they do wrong? It depends on the situation.

Lets say they warned you for no f**kin reason.

If they seriously just warned someone out of nowhere, they should probably do a little 3-day not-a-mod thing and take a breather.

I assume Micron would take care that.

Ok now lets say they have a reason for warning you but they're wrong.


HYPOTHETICALLY

"handle it"

See i dont see how their "Punishment" would just be to be demodded for 3 days or so.

Do moderators not get suspended and warned like the rest of us?

LMFAO! you're wrong.

we kind of asked the same thing, like why elba and i were warned for 2 weeks and demoted from our official member status, when robbi and diana did the same thing and only took a week off of their moderating duties.

People make mistakes. I've certainly made them during my "career" as a mod. You take note of the mistake, analyze what you did wrong, and work up from there.

people make mistakes, but somehow that doesn't seem to work as an excuse when you're a mere member.

Wouldn't hurt to have some actual guidelines for punishing mods though.

you know, set rules.

It's something the bylaws should have taken care of if people had actually finished it.

Um. We did finish the bylaws and had them officially written up a long time ago here. (Did you edit? You mentioned something about the bylaws not being finished). It's just that the topic of mod punishment (like, official guidelines) was never brought up for discussion, to my knowledge.

oh, you guys finally got it done?

Well, throw in some rules on how mods are to be punished, will you?

So how many times do the mods as a whole get to unfairly target a single member before they're punished?

you dont think they should also be suspended from the forum for a period of time AND demoted?

Mods can yell at members, express thier opinions, etc. What they can't do is use their power to do so.

Abusing moderator powers should result in permenant demotion. When they abuse the power, they should they can't handle it. Sure, 2 weeks might make them cool off over one situation, but next time something similar happens they'll abuse their power again.

no not two punishments for one offense.
so what, you demote them and they still get to post around the forum and do whatever? they didnt just abuse their powers, they attacked a member. thats TWO offenses.

brownsugar, you're full of shit and you know it.

The best thing is the mods can potentially abuse this. Don't want to commit abuse two times? That's ok! Have one of the new people do it for you! They'll gladly do it to prove their worth as a staff member and to compensate for their poor modding ability. Rinse, lather and repeat as many times as needed.

Oh wait, sorry I said that. Wouldn't want to give them any more ideas.

Mod punishment should be much more strict. They are given much more responsibility than a regular member and they should have more to lose as a result.

how do you not agree with that?

when you devise a plan to murder someone and succeed you dont just get charged with murder. you get charged with conspiring to murder them and then actually doing it.

why shouldnt the same logic be applied here? you attack a member personally and because you are a mod, you also abuse your warning powers while doing so. thats two offenses. sorry.

Nice. When it's something you guys want to do you claim to speak for ju-sun and be able to make decision for him. When it's something you guys don't want to do you claim to have to ask Ju-Sun.

nice. something dick would be proud of.

micron has been eschewing his responsibility on the site. I always argue him into a corner and his excuse is that it's not his responsibility. That's why he created that kryo thread, though none of the mods are willing to respond or answer questions, so it just goes to show you how ineffective the leadership is here.

why would you even say that? you asked me if the mod should be dealt two punishments for one offense.

i said no, its two offenses.

this is obviously a conversation between me and you at this point, not the members and the mods.

im talking to YOU now.

as a member of the site the mod should get one punishment. As a mod they should get another punishment.

dick cheney kills a person, they gets impeached AND charged with murder.

is that part of the "play nice and don't hurt feelings" part?

like are you completely dense?

if you are personally going after someone to warn them for no reason you are both personally attacking them and abusing your powers. what part of that is hard to understand? i didnt say anything about yelling.

YES THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL.

for christ's sake.

what sadolakced said and what i said are two completely different things all together.


if you are warning someone for no reason, you obviously have a personal grudge against them and you are attacking them. i didnt say you are yelling at them or member bashing them... you are personally attacking them. HOW are you attacking them? You are warning them for no f**king reason.

thats two offenses. the attack as a whole and the abuse of your powers. attacking another member is a universal rule for both members and mods. abusing your powers is a separate offense.

two offenses.

two punishments.

i can not make myself any clearer.


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so how does that contradict what sadolakced said? it's not even relevent to anything he said.

i didnt f**king SAY that you disagreed or agreed. i just had to clarify what i was asking 3452908482039 times because you're being retarded or something.

edit:// you ASKED me if they should be punished twice for one offense. i said no. its two offenses. i elaborated. you did not f**king underestand the elaboration because you were too caught up with what the other guy said, which had nothing to do with my post whatsoever.

why is it always suzzette that has to defend the staff team? it's apparent that she doesn't know everything and pulls stuff out of her ass half the time to make an excuse, but yet no one will come to her rescue.

AGAIN. when did i ask about the rest of the moderating staff or the other members? I was addressing YOU. YOU asked me a question. I answered YOUR question.

So what do you all propose if that were to happen? What other rules would you suggest? Let's take it to the big picture guys, instead of discussing scenario after scenario.

Stricter punishments are a great idea, btw.

no, you're not. half-assed answers is not "handling" at all.

ok, here's a big picture story...elba, spencer, robbi, and diana.

^x2 That's specific. If the whole point of this thread was to talk about that, I think you guys have lost a really good idea.

ok, elba, spencer, robbi, and diana spammed, member-bashed, and whatever else one night. spencer and elba got taken down from official members and still have a warning from it while robbi and diana were put back on staff after a week. how is "not having moderating powers" a harsher punishment? because they're not in charge for once? or because they're superior to members and don't have the superiority while not on staff?

I know about that. That is in the past - let's be progressive and talk about the future to make it better.

HOW THE FUCK IS IT THE PAST? we still have warning levels from it, so it can't be the past. stop overlooking things.

are you serious right now suzette or are you just f**king with me? Because seriously, your idiocy in this thread is FREAKING me out. I know you arent this dumb. Do I have to spell this one out too?

YOU ASKED if the mod should be dealt two punishments for one crime.
i said no. its two crimes.

you said "thats something the mods and members dont agree upon"

THIS is where things went astray. I didnt ask about them. I was answering a question you asked me. I dont understand why you brought them up. This is a conversation between me and you.

Then you said that sado and i were contradicting each other. We were not. His post had nothing to do with mine. I didnt say anything about member bashing.

At this point I dont know what the f**k you are getting this shit from.

I simply answered a question that YOU ASKED ME.
I simply answered a question that YOU ASKED ME.
I simply answered a question that YOU ASKED ME.

And then you f**king changed the subject without even addressing the answer, and then said "i didnt say it was one offense."

What the f**k are you talking about? I didnt say you did. You ASKED ME.

It was done in the past. Your warning levels will go down. Lets talk about what you guys want to see from us NOW as a whole.

And can we all stop splitting hairs and talk about what you guys ideas are? I think this could be a great thing for cB.

don't ask us to bring in the whole picture if you're going to overlook it.

Alright! Your on the same page I am.
Level one offense... member bashing? I'm gathering that from you guys posts.

maybe if someone gave us an answers we could. all suzzette can say is that their punishment was a lot harsher because they couldn't mod for a week. ok? and?

i have read the thread.

are you seriously going to try and tell me you were on track the entire time when you ask me questions like:

"wait is this still a hypothetical question or did it actually happen?"

and "what do you mean attack? like member bashing? but sado said..."


like wtf is wrong with you right now? pass the bong along already and let someone else hit that shit

Member Bashing: We need to be held to a high standard... so once, yes.

About Spamming: I think that's up to other moderators to keep themselves accountable.

I totally agree with that proposal. However, a member can't just accuse of member bashing. Imagine how many people would jump at the opportunity to demod someone right now. A PM must be sent to both Admins, and possibly head staff, and they can decide it is member basing or not.

It should be pretty obvious, anyway.

how the f**k did i not clarify what i meant by attacking? i said 4 times that if you are warning someone for no reason, that is an attack in and of itself.

i dont even know who diana is...

So, trish, what do you propose as guidelines? I've heard Thomas, but what about you?

Whoops - when I editted I erased more than I meant to. Yes, that's what I meant. I mean that the decision just can't be made by one member. A decision that would disrobe a moderator of his powers needs to be decided by both the Admins. But reporting wouldn't work - it doesn't always go to the Admins... I've gotten reported posts before.

SO yes, we need to be organized about our ways of dealing out punishment.

And about disregarding important situations, that can be VERY subjective. What kind of situations are you talking about?

people on the mod staff are both moderators and members and therefore should have to face consequences for both sides. A simple demodding is not enough.

Right now, to my understanding, a member can be suspended or muted while a moderator is demoted for the same offense. However, they are still allowed to post around the forums. It takes them one more offense to actually be suspended at that point, because now that they are demodded, if they get caught doing the same shit, your only choice is to suspend them.

That just isnt fair. You should be punished, A: for breaking a rule as a moderator, and B: for breaking a rule as a member.

thats not what i said. not more seriously. they need to be punished through two different channels because they are members too, as well as moderators. if you violate the rules, you disqualify yourself from being a part of the moderating staff. its not really a punishment, so much as moderators are required to keep certain qualifications. if they dont have them, then they are not qualified to be mods.

it's like what someone said earlier. if a president murders someone, they are impeached and then they are tried for murder.

exactly, but suzzette thinks that the mod having a week without moderating powers is harsh enough, imagine how that would boil over.

we've definately been trying to say this all along.