Forgive me if this is a pretty stupid question, but do people who commit suicide go to heaven? I see how it can be wrong to kill your own self, a creation of God, but doesn't God want us all to be happy? I think .. I wanna know what you guys think.

(Btw, how do I make this into a poll ..)

Well, according to Christians, God gave you life and by destroying it, you're kind of spitting on his face. And if I were God and I made you and you killed yourself, I wouldn't let you set foot in heaven because clearly you haven't earned it!

But of course I'm not God, nor am I a Christian, so I really don't have a completely valid input on this.

Oh yeah and if God wanted you to be happy, why would he condemn homosexuality? Worshipping a different god? Having sex before marriage?

All of these things could bring you happiness, but they're sins. So does God really want you to be happy?

And being miserable enough to commit suicide doesn't seem to fit the definition of happiness. You're going from misery to nothingness. Where does happiness come into the equation?

^ agree with all 100%.
also, isnt suicide a bit selfish?
i'd have no idea if being selfish is a sin though..
think about it, uh hhuuuh.

I agree with you Mark, God does want us to be happy.

You can't make polls in debate. Sorry.

Not if you're mentally unstable. My grandfather was Bi-polar, he committed suicide when I was 6 years old. I don't think it was selfish... Yeah, in some cases it could be, but I guess you have to know the whole story before you decide if it is or not.

Me being a christian, I honestly don't know. I guess it depends on the situation, like.. being mentally unstable, and I guess it depends on if the person is a christian before they die and all that.
But honestly, its just one of those things that I'm just unsure about.

No one knows.

People have told me both. shrugs*

If you really want to know, read the Bible and find your own interpretation. That's the only way :T

I believe that's my fault.

anyways; simple answer is no. as to why, well, i'd think it's pretty obvious.

i agree with the christian theory. many say that you don't enter heaven if you commit suicide. now, i do believe God wants us to be happy but in a different way. Following the "correct" path can lead us to being happy for the rest of our lives. but in the end, who knows? if you commited suicide for a fair enough reason [any mental instability] then i don't think God would condemn you to hell but once again, who knows!

yeah i dont know. i always thought of asking him when i died. haha

Define heaven

Good question.

It all depends on what your beliefs are. I say, it doesn't matter that you've done harm to yourself. If you have done rightful deeds or have come a long way from the start of your life--then you should reach paradise.

what is mental instability anyways? Like depression and anxiety disorders or are you refering to the extreme end of bipolar, sysphrenia (sp?), and multiple personality disorders?

I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder and a social anxiety disorder and i contemplated suicide many many times. but i couldn't bare living in hell at least thats what i told myself.


- But now that im not suicidal anymore I believe in what Jane said above me.

I believe the people that go to hell don't stay forever, I think so because people say God is a forgiving God. Well xKatt you say chritians believe if you kill yourself you don't deserve to set foot in heaven when its not like that, yeah you'll go to hell but you don't stay forever, I think a good example is you can do something wrong, your parents find out, and they put you on punishment. You don't stay on punishment forever. God see us as his children.


Thats a point of view from a christain.

"You shall not kill." And by committing suicide, you're killing yourself. So the answer is no.

According to my faith, They don't go heaven. Murder is Murder and quote, thou shall not murder. I believe in what the Bible says.

That's is simply a point of view.

As far as I'm aware, most of christianity proclaims that whatever happens after death is for eternity, as in, forever.

It's perfectly fine to believe this; it's just not what most christians believe.

This is why I like Deism, you don't have to worry about any of this shit.

the only unforgivable(sp?) sin is blasphemy.
and to all the people who said it's murder, of course it is, but does that mean that all the saved murder-ers will go to hell? of course not. that's why jesus died, according to the christian beleifs. all sins are forgiven, exept for what was mentioned above.

Hopefully... for being cowards.

Well, I believe God told us humans if you go to hell its for eternity so we won't sin as much. They say God is a forgiving God, if so why would he make you go for eternity? How forgiving. Thats why I believe that.

It's because the "Christian" "Hell" and "Heaven" are inaccurate.


Someone's going to bite me for not backing that up, right? I've talked about it quite a bit before, but I'll wait anyway.

^^ well, you have people that don't believe in hell or heaven so who knows. I'm not going to call you stupid for your belief.

From my understanding. This is hell. Reincarnation is a form of infinity, am I wrong? Until our physical gets it right, then you can finally move onto heaven.
No more re-born into the physical realm where sin exists and physical/emotional pain exists.

But then I think about Islam's point of view, when you're judged you go to heaven or you go to hell, but hell isn't infinite, it's time based, and you get a proper punishment. Afterwards (how ever long you've been in hell) God the all merciful brings you back to heaven where you reside for ever.

For those who are sure about the answer to this question, how do you know?

^^ We don't know really

Alright. Think about it like this. Is killing yourself a murder? Do murderers go to Heaven?

To God, every sin is equal except for blasphemy and homosexuality(I think) I'm a little rusty on my theology. But I know for sure blasphemy is the number one sin. In order to go to Heaven in the Christian faith you have to believe that Jesus died on the cross for you and forgave you of your sins. According to the Bible, you can never lose your salvation.

So, knowing that... what do you think happens to people after they commited suicide? It really depends on their status as a Christian or unsaved person. If murderers are allowed into heaven, then why can't some one who murdered themselves?

Valhalla!

God is loving, but just. His ultimate goal is not happiness, but salvation. If you read in the Bible, the most faithful followers weren't exactly happy. They were tortured for their faith. It's not really about this life, but what comes afterwards. And if you give yourself to Him, then He will reward you for your dedication and hard work.

And I'm sorry to say that this point your making about happiness is ridiculous. According to Christianity, homosexuality is a sin, so is worshipping a different god, as well as fornication. But, sin only lasts for a season. Happiness is different for everyone. I find happiness in not thinking about myself all the time, because if you think about yourself all the time, you manage to pick out all your flaws, have a lack of respect for people, and so on.



Yeah, I've heard that. If you look back at the original translations, it's something different right?

I know what you're talking about, but lets stay on the subject or else this will go on for ever.

Ok, I'm calling all of you out now; I think we all need another reminder:
Please don't double post, and edit when you have something to add.

(However, one exception to this would be if you posted again hours after your original post, which I've seen happen only once here.)



By the way, you're right Jake. It's been brought up several times back here too, but it never goes all the way through.

I apologize for the double post. I was hoping it would go to the same post, but too much time had past. Again, I apologize.

Does that make it wrong to pick flowers / cut down trees?
I don't believe in heaven or hell - but honestly, if killing yourself is a sin because you're a creation of God, then so should picking flowers. It just doesn't make sense.

I do think that suicide is selfish. That isn't really the topic though.

it really depends on your religion

There is no heaven.

Haha. Why do people post topics that can never truely be answered unless you go to the source? I don't get it. Look it up for yourself. It's there.

The point of the thread is to post your opinion about something.

I dont believe in a Heaven or a Hell... I dont think God would punish someone in an eternal Hell for not believing in him, or for committing suicide. Or for any other sin. I think it's extremely selfish to kill yourself... it almost kills the people you leave behind.

I think everyone is entitled to Heaven... whether they're a murderer, committed suicide, or whatever. But I think they'll still have to answer to God for what they did.

I'm Agnostic, btw.

I think they go to hell.
It is spitting in the face of god
and very selfish and cowardly.

... but killing yourself is happiness, isnt?
You're erasing your existence, pain, emotions, and set yourself free, not dealing anymore reality.

Then why the hell is it in the debate section? Opinion is not enough for debate.

Yes, but it's selfishness at it's greatest. I think people get depression mixed up with sadness alot.

You're basically playing the role of God when you kill yourself. He's the only one with the key to life and you're stealing that from Him when you do such a thing.

If you want to believe in that. If you don't...go kill yourself.

Yeah, but typically in a debate you back up your opinion with facts, and know what the other side would say in response and have a counterargument to their counter.

Well God created the garden of Eden and told Adam and Eve that they could eat the fruits of every tree (except one), so I guess He didn't mind that they were tearing His creations off their limbs and devouring them.

It's an interesting point though. You're right... wouldn't destroying the world's air, water and land be considered in the same ballpark as destroying one of God's creations (namely yourself)? Would that mean that all the people responsible for the Danube cyanide spill are going to hell? The people involved in the nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll? The people involved in the shrinking of the Aral Sea? Something to think about.

No one can decide. Only god.
But if I was to think then i think they will not go to heaven. One of the ten commandment is to repsect other and yourself.

First off, I am not Catholic, I am a Christian so here I go;

In believing in God and trully commiting yourself to him, His Holy Spirit is suppose to enter you. You are suppose to be inhabited by the Holy Spirit, and naturally our life should start to change because we will WANT it to. I am not saying that it won't be hard like giving up maybe drugs, or whatever other thing that you may be obsessing over (maybe even a television show) but we are suppose to feel convicted about doing things wrongs.

WE DONT HAVE TO GET RID OFF THEM

but when the Holy Spirit comes, we want to!

In commiting suicide, there are some points to consider in why that person did.
Obviously it is making a mockery out of God and abusing his creation, OURSELVES



Yes, they go to Hell.

Question to ponder then:
what if they had confessed that Jesus is Lord and recieved Him and all that stuff. I believe that salvation is a eternal thing and you can never lose it. If you do, you were never trully a believer, so if you commited suicide, then you never really accepted and believed in God.

It's not fair some may say,

well it's not fair how we all spit in God's face everyday and abuse all of the glorious gifts He has given us.




No, it's not a view from a christian, that is more like a view point of a Mormon, they believe that Hell is not eternal damnation.



I think you're taking this totally out of context.
God NEVER said don't kill plants and trees, if we look in the Bible it says:
"Do not murder" And it is easy enough to say that it is in context with harming another HUMAN BEING ON PURPOSE.

Though I do believe war is excluded from what murder is, because you are either protecting your country, someone elses, or you are trying to conquer land. Though I do have to say it does deal with the motive of the heart, so that could be a whole different discussion.

ALSO::
YES- that means that if you hate someone in your heart, even NOT to lengths of MURDER you are guilty of actually MURDERING someone.

It's been bla bla all along. How can you know if it's a sin or not? You have to commit suicide first; if you see a red man, that means it's a sin, if you seen the light that means it isn't a sin.

Stupidity apart, you can never know.


God told you so?

Here's the answer to your question. It's from www.christianforums.com




http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=32230173

Speculations. Did God actually tell them so?

*laughs and points at all the Christians who fight over this*

Well they either get cremated or burried 6 feet under the ground.

As for their souls. No one REALLY knows because no one has DIED and came back to life after a couple weeks ("jesus") yes ok fine but what if you dont believe in the bible?

in THAT case, who knows where you go.