QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jun 6 2007, 03:01 PM)

Haha. Very entertaining and intelligible, but still misguided. Hmm, I wonder had I worded the title of the topic differently if you still would have disagree so feverishly. I should have posted it as The Most Entertaining Movies Ever Made: In My Opinion at Least. That might clear up a few things for you. Now, onto my rebuttal:
Yeah,
I'm misguided because you're a master of misnomers.

Oh, and, no. Changing the title wouldn't have helped so much. Certainly your post would have been less offensive given the omission of that "best movie ever made" business, but it's still rather sorry to call
Gladiator enjoyable, nonetheless one of the most enjoyable films ever made. I hate your list either way.
QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jun 6 2007, 03:01 PM)

To disagree that The Godfather is a great movie simply because everyone else thinks so is pure ignorance. There is a reason why so many people like this movie(and most of the other movies I've listed that you so eloquently described "Monkeys and morons" choose on a daily basis)
I don't wholly disagree that The Godfather might indeed be a great movie. I openly confessed such a position. But, great or not, this is not to say that I would not disagree in its inclusion in a "Greatest Movies Ever Made" list. Because, I would disagree with such an inclusion - there are much greater films. The reason that I feel you put the film in your list in the first place is because of its immense popularity. I was not arguing that its popularity causes it some sort of defect, not in the least. I was merely pointing out that its position as "The Greatest Movie Ever Made" (or at least one of them) is shortsighted and ignorant - a position only so repeated due to its popularity and the persistent ignorance of those "monkeys and morons."
QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jun 6 2007, 03:01 PM)

, and seeing how at the time it was a low-budget movie I am quite suprised at your contempt when lined up against your choice of favorites.
What an arbitrary point. I contrasted your taste in smart horror and now, somehow (since I like the Blair Witch Project?) you're going to somehow assume I prefer (for some inane reason) that my movies be made on a minimalist budget? I like movies because of content - a budget is merely a budget. Further, your premise does not even stand up; The Godfather wasn't a low-budget production. "Low-budget" for an enormous studio like Paramount Pictures, maybe. But, The Godfather had a production budget that was well enough above the average 1970's film; definitely not low budget.
QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jun 6 2007, 03:01 PM)

The fact that you chose The Blair Witch project as your favorite movie(I'm guessing from your sig) is quite laughable. True, it was highly successful to the elitist crowd and sort of thought-provoking the first time you watch it. After a second viewing you realize it's just three dumb people in the woods with their parent's video camera. Since when did theatres begin showing excerpts from America's Funniest Home Videos? "I'm so scared right now..." Yeah, so was the studio.
(1) I chose no film whatsoever, let alone as my favorite. [But, your skills of extrapolation are impeccable. I promise.]
(2) Thought-provoking? Maybe. Successful to elitist crowds? Eh? The movie was an immense box office success for a good number of reasons [one of which happened to be its near zero-budget], but the film does not happen to have any particular critical success - neither in the cases of "elitist crowds" or the general public.
(3) You're suppose to realize that after the second viewing? Given the dozens and dozens of times I've seen The Blair Witch Project - something must be wrong with me?
(4) America's Funniest Home Videos? Since it was infinitely entertaining [I thought that's what this was about?] and enlightening.
(5) The studio was scared? What studio? The hell are you talking about?
QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jun 6 2007, 03:01 PM)

The fact that I have to explain my goddamn Gladiator choice yet again makes it painfully obvious that you failed to actually read what I put, merely glanced at the names and immediately disagreed. In my opinion Ridley Scott's Gladiator is one of the most entertaining historical movies. I say historical(and pay attention now) not because it was historically accurate, but because it was set in historical times. I couldn't give a damn if Derek Jacobi took up a sword and started hacking people up at the end, if it was entertaining I'd enjoy it. Screw historical significance, who gives a shit. And for your information, if you cared to do your research, there are records that indicate there once was a Gladiator who killed a Caesar(possibly a Caesar, they are not specific on that, it may have been a Senator). Obviously not for the reasons given in the movie, you'd have to be an idiot to believe a single word of that.
You really don't understand. The historical significance argument is generally quite arbitrary. And, since you haven't noticed, I'll spell it out for you: I'm not making that argument. I don't care if Gladiator is historically accurate or not (obviously it's not, but how cares?). What I care about is the actual on-screen drama and the content of the film - the artistry. I dislike the film because it has an uninteresting story, with flat characters, and ridiculous plot lines. Technically, the film looks like vomit: it's so full of slow motion and hyper cuts that I'm not sure that the movie isn't a giant commercial or possibly an MTV styled music video. It's just a terrible movie. Has nothing to do with historical accuracy - so there really is no need for research in this matter.
QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jun 6 2007, 03:01 PM)

As for not putting anything before 1970 on my list, no shit. Those movies are boring as hell. Sure they were awe-inspiring 60 years ago, but now they are out-dated.
You're an idiot. Storytelling is timeless. The living vibrant cinematography of today was establish in America in the early 1940's. Literature breathes centuries and centuries past. Paintings still haunt and affect peoples generations and generations apart. Film is a medium of art which has evolved, just as any art, but those earlier pieces of art are in no way dispensable - many are greater than a grand majority of today's world cinema. Granted the evolution of film has been rather unique, but you are doing a great disservice to yourself in ignoring film that is merely 30 or 40 years old.