Honestly, You people are really stubborn. You have nothing against religion, sexuality, race, but yet, you hate posers. Maybe being a poser is a new lifestyle. I hate people who hate bands just because they are posers. So what. They make music because they like to. Who gives a fudge if they are posers or not. You people are hypocrites. I expect a debate. Bring it you hypocritical bastards.

If expected a debate, why didn't you put this in the "debate" forum?
I also agree 25% of what you stated in there. Especially these sentences, "I hate people who hate bands just because they are posers. So what. They make music because they like to."

Then I would also expect a MOD to move this topic. Why make something more complicated than it already is?

If you just posted this at the debate forum, it would even be less complicated. It depends on which kind of posers you are talking about. The ones you referred to, I could care less. But the other ones...

I don't like people who aren't true to themselves. Maybe they're making music to be cool. Or doing stupid things, whatever the case, if you aren't being true to yourself you can't earn my respect. Posers aren't just musicians. Everyone has been/will be a poser at one point in time. I used to try so hard to fit in, then I realized I didn't know me. Now I do, and I love it. I'll admit that I was a poser for about a year and a half, then I said "Wtf am I doing? This isn't me!"

a poser, in my opinion, is somone who does somthing to fit in, especially if they don't like it. alot of people i call "posers" are people who dress ghetto fabalis one day and the next day they feel hardcore so they dress in all black and stuff. don't be everyone, be yourself.

and if i refer to a band as a poser or posers i'm refering to the sound of their music sounding like another older band. like hwo i say "evanescense is a ripoff of lacuna coil" i'm really saying they sound alike and it makes me mad that the second band to do it is getting all of the glory.

and everyone is a poser. every single one of us. i know i wasn't the first kid to wear knee high socks.

No see, that isn't neccissarily a poser. In fact it isn't. Liking more than one type of style doesn't make you a poser. On the contrary, it makes you an individual because you do what you what rather than POSING to be one particular stereotype.

it's hard to find somone who changes so radiclly in style without having the cool group at school influencing it. they changing to whatever steriotype is "in" that day/week/month.

and sicne when does dress make one an individual? i'm an individual because i'm f'n weird.

yes well everyone's weird in their own way, so you aren't an individual


also, those kids who change styles every month are following certain kids at school who do that. but some kids change their style every month because they're keeping up with the styles. if you're saying everyone who is trendy is a poser, you're entire arguement is invalid

*looks it up*

individual: n:A human regarded as a unique personality:always treated her clients as individuals.

if somone follows the trends they have similar personalities as the fellow followers. theirfore, not that individual. true, i'm not as unique as i might have said, but i know i don't do things cause it's "the cool thing to do". i actially tend to do the opposite.

who tells what the style is that month, anyway? MTV and the cool kids at school. that prooves that following trened is posing.

on top of that! it's erally hard to tell if people are doing it for their own personal choice of the group mentality. but it's exteiemly rare that one does it for him/herself.

ummm actually not, the style is what's IN, and whats IN is what designers from labels such a Louis Vuitton, Chanel, Dior, etc. design months before. Stores like Abercrombie and Fitch, and all that make cheaper renditions to match the styles introduced by the top designers. yeahhhhh just in case you didn't know smarty. and that's the style because they introduced something that is STYLISH. so people try to buy it. you can only be so different... this is so dumb i can't believe i'm even wasting my time arguing with someone like you

surprise surprise! you're the one telling me that! yea, i was kinda hoping that no one would try to personally knock me, but since when do people respect one another? go kill yourself.

the style that is IN is the one that everyone wants, no matter who designs it or how ugly it really is. who designs studded belts and neck ties? no one knows and no one cares! they just know it looks good to alot of people that they want to fit in with. looking good to them is looking good to everyone else, despite if they hate what they're wearng personally. that's a poser, those are people i look down on, and those are my reasons why.

that's weak.. that's like saying "but yet, you hate liars, hypocrites, and assholes"
p.s. a "poser", as you call it, would fall under liars, wouldn't you think? ;x

Weak? If its weak, show me something. Tell me why you hate posers, and why they should be hated, instead of saying "thats weak."

if you read my entry, i consider "posing" a form of "lying"

not true to yourself >> being not truthful >> lying >> being a LIAR.

and tell me, who likes liars? lol. do you like liars? do you like "hypocrites"? 'cause that's what you're complaining about.. haha. of course people will dislike people who have those 'qualities'. why would you NOT?

Posers conform to the beliefs of others rather then their own.

Anyone can be original and their own person. Drastic changes are fine by me, as long as their doing it for themselves and not to fit in with a target group.

tru dat!

you know what i mean, though, when i say that it's hard to find somone who changes drasticly for their own liking? it rarley ever happens.

it seems as if you would call a poser anyone who cares about what others think of them... that's not true.

a poser is one who POSES to be something they're not

if they aren't fashionable, they shouldn't try to be, and that's a poser.

there are posers when it comes to every label

but you aren't a poser if you are labelled a certain way, because you do it because you are true to yourself and the way you feel

a poser is one who does something they don't agree with just so they can be in a certain group.

NOT someone who wears the latest fashions

If you think that they ARE posers, that's cool and everything, but keep that dumbass opinion to yourself because i doubt anyone else shares it.

I don't use the word "poser". So I'm not a hypocrite? Actually, I don't even think there are posers...hmm...just my opinion. It's just another label, and I don't like labels, so yeah.

if wer're supposed to keep our dumbass opinions to ourselves then why is there even a debate forum?

i know their are people who like the latest fashons in their own minda, which is fine, but when they do it to fit in it's then think they're posers.

i also think one's a poser if you try to be labled a certain way. like wearing somthing so somone thinks you're a thug rather than that it's comfortable or looks good.

and, i dunno why i didn't say this before, but i never said i hate posers. everyone's a poser when it comes down to it. i'm not the one to point the poser-finder's finger and i never have. i just released my definition of it for others to possibly pick up and learn from.

then that's fine, as long as you don't try to start calling people who dress well posers we're good. if you try to dress well just to fit in, chances are you don't look good anyways so it's cool

I think EVERYONE should just drop the whole label bullshit and relate back to the one true fact - we are all humans and we are all the same.

that's cool but i'm a better human that you because i'm an INDIVIDUAL

everyone is posers

DUH

no you are. i'm way too cool to be a poser.

sarcasm, right?

i hope so.

oh wow. i didnt notice this one.

how bou you're a crappy human cause that's a really a$$hole thing to say. no one is better than another. i thought you would know that.

yes, it is a crappy thing to say so i was hoping you'd note the sarcasm

aright good.

i take it all back, since it's sarcasm.

well it depends on how far they go as a posers... but it's ok if there are posers. i wont call them bad ppls... it's ok..it's wat they want to be. i dont know y ppls think avril lavigne is a poser...shes reallie not. shes being herself. i know chingy is a poser...to eminem. i wanted to be like the jpop/kpop singer, boa...but yeah i went too far... i stopped. being urself is the best. being someone else is like it's not ur own body. it's theirs so yeah i didnt want to let that happen newais yeah...

i agree just be urself

why are you generalizing that everyone hates posers?

do u know that avril lavigne is one of the most successful examples of a manufactured artist? do u know she has like 10 movement choreographers telling her which arm to swing when she sings the chorus? she's got ppl telling her what to say, when to say it and how to say it. is that being herself?

and about this whole poser thing, what's the point in hating them? they're always gonna be there. maybe we should all just eliminate hate and set examples for these 'posers' by not hating them and judging them. may be then these 'posers' will realise that they might wanna find their own way too.

I hate the word poser.

If someone is trying to become someone they're not, how would you know? If I happen to enjoy wearing fob-ish clothes one day, and then decides to change my style to something more preppy-ish because I can afford it or I like the new style and how it looks on me, oh wow, I'm suddenly a poser!

I agree that you should always try to be true to yourself, trying to be someone you're not just means that you probably have lack confidence in your own style... it may even mean that you're weak minded.

But is being weak but happy because you enjoy your new style more, so bad of a thing?

I can't speak for everyone else on this thread, but to me a poser is one who conforms to the mainstream instead of being his/her true self... There's nothing wrong with doing what everyone else does as long as it's what YOU want to do; there's nothing wrong with dressing "preppy" one day and dressing a diff style the next - that's not even what I consider a "poser". As long as it's what YOU want to do, not because you feel the NEED to, it's all good.

I used to try real hard to fit in ... my definition of a poser is just that.

Somebody that tries to be something to fit in.

" And everyday when everyone wakes up in the morning and pulls their ass outta bed and they go into the bathroom, they look in the mirror and try to become something. They're like 'What do I wanna be?", you know? The f**kin' alternative kids, they wanna be alternative, so they put alternative clothes on. They become something they want to be percieved as. And the kids that wanna be gangsters or whatever, they put on their shit they wanna be percieved as.But some of us didn't know what the fudge we wanted to be percieved as.We didn't fit anywhere! We were the f**king clowns. It was like, no matter what happened, it was like "fudge them, you know? They don't count!" " - Violent J


It's all in the perception. I'm behind J 110% on that one, I mean, what the hell can you argue with in there?

The parts in red .. that's a juggalo. Or a juggalette. It's by no means a fan of Psycopathic. It's a person who's just themselves. They wear what they find in the morning, they don't work hard or go out of their way to paint an image because they don't know what they could possibly be besides who they are already.

And after years of trying to figure it out, I gave up. And I'm one hell of a lot happier now.

Hell, if you fit that category, you're a 'lo or 'lette, too.

MMFCL

i hate people who TELL people who they are.

i honestly dont understand what the commotion is all about. who gives if somebody is a "poser" and who isnt. i couldnt care less if somebody is not being true to themselves. it does not make them less of a good person as the next guy..let them go through it, 99% of the times its just a phase anyway, theyll grow out of it

How are we hypocrites? I have nothing against people who are considered "posers" so how does that make me or the others that don't have anything against them a hypocrite?

why does other people have to connect how a person dresses to the word "poseur"??

i remember the thread "asians wearing ambercrombie" that somebody posted "wear want you want" i concur to that statement because this is a free world indeed

i know some people who labels me as a "posuer" until now but i didn't care at all. take note, i never did bother them because they cannot tell who i am and i know myself better than them. and i dont consider myself as a "posuer" because i know that i have my own "individuality"

these people [i actually met them in another forum like createblog], however, who labels me who i think are amatuers. [they are in 11th-12th graders and college students here in philippines] they intend to hate other people who they think haven't got any individuality. well how about other people who have got no clue at all? totally stubborn indeed.

to be honest i was a poseur before. before i knew the word "poseur". i cannot exactly tell who the hell am i though i have said before i know myself better than the others because i am at the middle of knowing who really am i. after all i'm only 13 years old

what i dont get is, why does other people have to label other people instead of accepting them as who they are??

yeah yeah i know they are very irritating .. but they [the one who you are referring as "posuer"] wants to be in the crowd.. wait a minute.. well how about some people who are in the crowd?? aren't they the ones who ain't have any inividuality??? the people who'd do anything to impress their crowd, follow the trend and everything??

hell i dont care anymore [probably because of the word "posuer" and "label"] what i am into now is how to make myself and my friends happy and of course eating philippine bananas before i'd leave philippines

Honestly. Who says who's a poser and who's not? Really.

but i still don't see why people hate her for that. the label owns her and she can't do anything about it. i mean if that the only way to keep your fame and fortune.. then why not? who cares how you look like in other people's eyes.

i didn't read every single post because some were just too long. lol, but i think everyone's opinion is right.

but personally i dislike calling people posers unless its someone i know really well and is trying to change to fit in. because if you call other people, that you don't know, posers then you have no evidence to support it. because who knows? maybe they're changing to be themselves. maybe what's in and what's mainstream is them.

if you're trying not to be a "poser", and rebel against everything and try to be different then everyone else, then you're just becoming a bigger poser. being different isn't original or unique. think about it.

like few have said b4: be true to yourself.

def....don't be someone cuz you think that is cool and you are not yourself..that's when you can be called a poser...........be who you wanna be no matter how many other people are like that and what they think about it......


but you are right it's not fair when people call someone a poser just because of the music they like or the music they listen too....... maybe if you let it get to y ou..you are a poser, because you don't have the confidence to stick up for what you are and maybe it really isn't who you are

Ditto. It's just another term to label/discriminate/segregate a person from their peers.

WOULD YA'LL STOP MAKING FUN OF ME

get over it.
we are all posers.
it doesnt matter if you notice it or not or if you deny it.

get used to it.

What is a "poser"? Is it something I'm supposed to know?

nope just be yourself and everything will be alright

What's so wrong with wanting to look good? I mean if I tried to dress like you don't care what people thought then I would go naked. And just because someone has their own personal style that you don't agree with doesn't make them "fake" I like wearing stuff that I find attractive to ME. I happen to like the styles that are out right now. Sorry I wanna impress people and not have them take one look and walk away. I don't care what people say. Apperance does cout.

brit*

labeling people suck. and if you call someone a "poser" when you really havent met the dude/dudett thats just wrong. but why are people stressing about posers? just forget them and worry about yourself. but just keep this in mind: your having more fun than the people who are pretending to be someone else, which is very annoying.