Additional punishment from what? Being the winner? Or additional punishment decided upon by the staff.

I meant originally that there should be a decided punishment that only takes place if the staff majority votes upon it.


Also, if there isn't a punishment, then anyone could start the contest right now in the Lounge, hahaha. It would still be a real thread because everyone can give their input! And it isn't against the rules, because it would be like any other Q&A thread! :O


Oh, and, Kryo's quote on Brownsugar was funny :T I mean, I could not see that as a form of bashing, and he did claim that he edited it.

I didn't say you said I said that, merely that they were active in that thread likely responding to the OP and ignoring the bashing going on.

Do you see the problem?

Nor did I claim you said it. It clearly said FIXED. As in, I changed it. If you had to be uptight, you should have just edited out your name. What you did was unacceptable.

So, we can start the contest now? :K

It's all good

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I don't understand why we can't start it. I, personally, do not plan on it because I really haven't had any big issues with mods.

If it's not an official contest, it's still a thread. There would be no rules broken (I think). It would just be like another "What's your favorite perfume" but a "What's the worst staff member"?

As an admin I can't say I support this. If you think someone is being the worst staff member then do say so in the Mod Performance. Please use that thread how it is meant to be used. If there are serious and valid criticisms brought up please believe the admins will look into it. If a punished is deemed necessary, depending on this issue, it will be carried out.

"Whose the worst staff member?"
"What's your favorite perfume?"
"Which embassy do you plan on bombing in the near future?"
"What kind of socks to you prefer?"

It's all the same really.

If there were a regular ol' thread, then there would be no official punishment! ^_^

LOL INTERNET SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Newspapers paraphrase all the time. That's basically what I did.




You miss the point. The point is about mods having accountability.

I haven't missed any point. I do believe each mod should be accountable for their actions. It's of my opinion that we don't need a "contest" to do that.

it wouldn't be so much a contest as a better way to get people active in it.

So, if the thread was open, it would be closed. Even if it weren't breaking any rules?

Many things are controversial. Especially in the debate room. None of those are closed, even if they are controversial and can cause offensive things to be said.

EDIT

I do not plan on opening it.

Big brother doesn't like being spoken out against in popular areas.

^ Darn.

You missed the point.

At first this seemed like a potentially fun/funny idea. Now it appears that what this is turning into is a place that is basically the Moderator Feedback thread made in the Lounge and not a contest at all. I apologize for saying this, but it's like wanting a contest in order to give validity to complaints when having a complaint is simply valid enough. Criticize, give feedback, it's what the Feedback forum is all about. Kiera, Ju-Sun and I do talk to staff about things that are brought up unless it is specifically asked that we don't bring it up (which has happened).


XD It's funny that you say that ("internet serious business"). I have never known someone to be so focused on a forum that he admittedly has distaste for. You constantly gripe, and although you do so in an entertaining way at times, you still do nothing but complain. I get this sense of you being just as serious as anyone here. Just an opinion/observation, not at all an insult, I swear. Regarding accountability, please see what I replied with above under Kiera's quote.


You haven't missed the point, Kiera. We don't need a "contest" to prove how/if people are inadequate as staff members. My question really would be why people would need to go through the effort of having a contest just to convey their distaste or dislike for staff members and/or their actions.

As such, I'm in agreement and as a fellow Admin here, I no longer support what once seemed like a funny and entertaining idea.

Michelle and Steve, other than following in Kryo's footsteps here, do you have feedback? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I'm curious. You three are the ones most often posting in this thread and seem to be this "contest"'s (if you can even call it that) most vocal advocates. Yet, I rarely see either of you in the moderator feedback (Kryo does post there and he has PMd staff about his criticisms). Staff is far more lenient in The Lounge, they're being far more lenient when it comes to submissions. Steve, you have mentioned "power tripping." Examples? Because seriously, if people power trip over an internet site, they REALLY need to get out more.

Actually, I was not following in Kryo's footsteps. I thought this was a fun idea until we decided to have a ruin-fest. I didn't care if there was a punishment or not, and FYI, I did give my feedback on how I thought the "contest" should run (since you failed to see the two paragraphs I wrote on my idea), because I, like you, thought this was a fun idea. But, no, people are power-tripping and, IMO, freaking out about what would happen if they actually won this contest. And, yes, people do power-trip in cB. I'm not going to go off and search for evidence because I do not have time right now, but I'm not surprised that people power-trip. I don't take it personally if people enjoy having power; it's human nature, right? (haha and I'm not trying to start another debate on whether it's human nature or not... just a figure of speech)

I am a vocal advocate for it because it would be a fun idea. There really isn't any harm in it as long as there is no "prize." I rarely post in the Moderator's forum, because as I have previously said, I really do not have big issues with any mods. This, in my opinion, was originally supposed to be a sort of funny/ humor type contest, but I guess most of the staff is taking an internet contest too much to heart.

Now, I'm not even sure why I waste my time on trying to make this contest real since we all ruined it because it was "too controversial" for the internet . Seriously, like you just said, it's just the internet. Why would it matter if you were the winner? ;]

I'm not really worried about being a winner. I actually take any criticism I get very much to heart, and if I were to win, then I'd really take a look at what I was doing, you know? But the the thing is, I do that with Feedback (it's actually the first place I go to when I log on, believe it or not).

I guess I'm just really failing to see the point of having a contest.

And yes, Michelle, I've seen you post far more than what I quoted. I was just pointing out that you were one of the few consistent advocates, I didn't just meant in regards to the negative, just that you were one of the more vocal ones. I should have clarified that.

Heck, maybe it's the generational gap or something but I don't see the power tripping. Perhaps I'm just taking it too literally. XD

I'm actually disappointed that this got too serious. If you go back and read some of my responses here, I was in favor of this. I think it's fun to poke fun and to be poked fun at. I just, well, it got so serious.

Contradiction much?

I make joke. Mod oversteps bounds because they can't take joke. What should I do, just laugh it off, especially when I'm called a racist? Obviously if you're not going to take a joke, I'm going to have to stop joking around with you. YET YOU STILL COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT.

I know what you're doing, you're trying to set up a smokescreen to paint me as some sort of hypocrite with some obscure hope that I'll suddenly quit, regardless of how much you deny it, as you are denying that you don't like me. And even, if for arguement's sake, I believed you that you aren't just trying to dodge the issue and draw fire for your fellow staffer, you have honestly been no help at all, and I'd prefer if you'd just shut up and let brownsugar talk, because right now you're only helping her hide from my questions.

What's going to happen now huh? You guys going to send disco infiltrator to contradict me when I say something about previous mods?



This post just goes to show how oblivious all of you guys are.

Either you guys are completely oblivious to what's going on and need to pull your heads out of your collective ass, or you're going to have to stop denying that you guys are making mistakes and should be held accountable.

Why have the contest in the first place if it doesn't matter? To answer your question: because the winner of the contest would have to take it seriously and wonder why he/she was voted the worst SMotM. If the contest and its purpose are ignored, there will be complaints that staff don't consider any criticism and shut others down.

If the staff should suck it up and let members have their fun, members should suck it up and use the Moderator Performance thread, as it is serves the purpose fully.

With that said, if members find having the contest would be more engaging and 'fun' to participate in, then I wouldn't mind. If there really is little to no valid feedback with the contest, close it.

ETA: Was Sammi ever 'sent' to intentionally oppose you? Nope.

Do you guys just not get it? I've BEEN using the performance thread.

It took like ten pages just to get you guys to recognize you were wrong that one time you gave me a warning. I've been consistently ignored recently.

Get it through your heads, no matter how much you guys claim otherwise, you simply don't hold each other accountable. brownsugar has changed her story many times already and it's very clear that she was wrong, YET there still hasn't been anything done about it.



How should I know, it's a pattern I've observed though.

It wasn't directed specifically at you. There have been many people who have stated the staff members are sucking the fun out the contest.

I don't even know what's going on anymore with that. I was away and when I came back, it seemed like things were just blown out of proportion so I won't comment on that.

Perhaps it's a pattern but no (staff) member is asked to intentionally oppose someone. I can't believe you made such a silly claim.

I'm not even going to respond.

I'm guess this contest is never going to run, and even if it did, it would be too depressing. I have no more to say but, I wish it had started before we got to discuss it.

Why even bother...

Hahaha, I'm not sent to oppose you. Sometimes I just do, because I'm an individual with my own mind. You'll never know when I agree because I never post when I agree because that's stupid. "Yeah, that's right"; well that's a wonderful post. I oppose the people on staff plenty too, trust me; some of them really don't like me because of it.

^ You're wrong about one element of that, Sammi, but OK.

Anyway, sorry, but this idea is not a good one. Yes, do let's sanction a thread for people to bully anystaff member they don't like. Honestly, other than wanting to be difficult, why would you support this? I mean yes, I can see how it would be fun for those involved in the voting/discussing/whatever, but not so much for those being discussed. If you guys are really so selfish that you can't understand that, so be it, but don't expect people to go out of their way to provide a venue for you. If you really want to do this, go ahead and create your own forum, or do it through a facebook group, or whatever you want; that's not our problem. However, cB is NOT going to condone the bullying and harassment of its staff solely for the purpose of entertainment.

It's not really bullying, seeing as well, we don't exactly have power/privelages that would permit that. I guess you could consider yourself bullied by words? I kinda imagine a lot of people oppose it on the grounds that they don't want to be nominated or win for that matter. When that point is brought up, however, they deny that being the reason and try to present another point that they want to be considered as valid.

To be fair, anyone who sees picking a 'Worst Staff Member of the Month' as a constructive way to critique the staff is not someone whose opinions I'm likely to value, so really, there isn't a lot of worry attached to winning for me personally, which I imagine is how a lot of the staff feel.

Yeah, yeah, I suppose you'll decide I'm just 'denying that as a reason,' or whatever, but there it is.

Point is, there is a line between offering criticism and advice in the Mod Performance thread, and deliberately and with intent singling out someone to basically be labelled 'crap.' Yes, within the constraints of cB, I think that constitutes bullying, or certainly opens the opportunity for bullying, if a certain member of staff was nominated over and over, or the reasons were personal.

Basically, I think this is a really, really stupid idea.

Of course no one would want to win. If there was a Worst Member of the Month too, I don't think you would want to win that either. That kind of sucks. It's not some revelation to realize that. But that's not the sole reason any of the staff members oppose it, or a reason at all. I'm pretty sure they've all explained themselves; have you read it?

He seems to have read it, but decided that the explanations given were invalid and meaningless. So I suppose we'll have to struggle on.

:O

That would be an awesome contest!

Yes I have read it. I see where they come from, but I also stand by my opinions.



I gave the explanations that were on my mind at the moment. Also condescending talk isn't very becoming, as it makes you look as if you think you're superior.

Y'all don't have to worry about continuation of this post from me, as I've stated everything I wished to. I understand y'alls' points of view (so I think) and though I'm pretty stuck to mine I would change my mind should a highly valid point be brought up other than the fact that it could hurt someones feelings or be bullying/embarrassing.

*shrug*

You speak your mind, I speak mine.

Fair enough.

I haven't read through every single reply, so excuse me if I repeat something already said.
I think there's a huge gap between the communication of the mods and members, and I think this is going to do nothing but cause trouble and create an even bigger gap. If this does happen, it will be moderated, so if someone starts bashing the staff and making it personal something's going to to be done about it and I have the feeling that the person making the comments wouldn't like the fact that they got in trouble for it.
If this was going to happen the mods and members would have to be on the same page, and I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.

Yeah, you missed he point.

No, she didn't. She may not have taken your point, but oddly enough, what you consider to be 'the point' might not be the only thing that can ever be relevant to a thread.

You know what's funny?

I saw the topic title and I said to myself, "It's kryogenix. I know it."

That's all.

How many times have I told you that you being here was useless already? Go play in your garden or something.

Oh come now, darling. If we want this marriage to work, you'll have to stop being so disagreeable all the time. For the kids, if not for me.

Every topic ends up in argument

Don't talk to your father that way.

Ah, but James.... I AM YOUR FATHER.

*repetitive and ominous breathing*

Are you guys ok?

Relationship issues can go to Relationships, ya know.

What the hell? My father isn't a loser with asthma.

Keep out of it, Dr. Phil!

Ah, but you're wrong, grasshopper. Witness the power of my lightsabre. It doubles as a handy inhaler!