No when there is a hiring session and when you get interviewed thats what they do.

Ah, okay.

I think they should do that now with the current staff. Obviously, the graphics aren't up to par..

Holly that's a really good idea, thought ten might be a better number. Have some that are good graphics, but break the rules.

edit: Wow this is the worst quality I've seen in awhile
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29993

Please please please view full size before accepting!

^Oh man, that is really bad!

I think that really needs to be pointed out that when accepting/rejecting graphics always view the full view.


Doing that with the staff now would be fine too.


Need to be resized and perhaps be resubmitted:
users:
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=413203 - both of their submissions
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=489763 - I think its possibly all their submissions
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=513729

Single submissions:
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30069
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=480407 - first three
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29898
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29770 - possibly rejected completely the quality is really bad.
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29752


Isn't the quality kind of low on this?
- http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29293 - or possibly on quite of few of her submissions?



Layout wise,

Is it just me or is the image quality on this layout horrible?
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/preview.php?id=17622

Not to mention that they didn't code it themselves.

Maybe we could have a graphics/layout staff that would be in charge of accepting/rejecting things? Not that any of the other staff members aren't capable of doing it, but that way they could stick to modding the forums.

QUOTE(Intercourse. @ May 12 2007, 2:05 PM)

^Oh man, that is really bad!

I think that really needs to be pointed out that when accepting/rejecting graphics always view the full view.
Doing that with the staff now would be fine too.
Need to be resized and perhaps be resubmitted:
users:
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=413203 - both of their submissions
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=489763 - I think its possibly all their submissions
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=513729

Single submissions:
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30069
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=480407 - first three
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29898
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29770 - possibly rejected completely the quality is really bad.
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29752
Isn't the quality kind of low on this?
- http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29293 - or possibly on quite of few of her submissions?
Layout wise,

Is it just me or is the image quality on this layout horrible?
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/preview.php?id=17622

Because they were already accepting I'm don't really think we should reject them for being too big. (Plus they are still usable) I know we have rules and obviously they were not followed, but since they are not actually horrible (not all) I don't think the size issue is a good enough reason for them to be removed. Even if the rule was violated. The images that are low quality though , I will go through as soon as I can.

The icon - Those cartoon type-images are usually kind of low but I think the texture helps give it that "misty" look but I'd say it looks fine.

QUOTE(kimmytree @ May 12 2007, 2:52 PM)

Maybe we could have a graphics/layout staff that would be in charge of accepting/rejecting things? Not that any of the other staff members aren't capable of doing it, but that way they could stick to modding the forums.

In my opinion thats a little too much. Just doing some type of punishment would work out better. Having a whole other group just to do the accepting/rejecting seems "out there" just a little bit. Plus part of being on the job anyway is accepting and rejecting graphics not just moderating the forums. So yea. Thats just my opinion I don't think a whole nother group of staff is needed.

But even then you'd still have the difference in standards.

^ That's true, but the group of staff could be picked by the talent they've showed in the graphics they've submitted. Ehhh idk.

That was brought up once. But as Toya said, its just going way to far with it all.

A committee would be pretty senseless. Sorry, I just got a chance to read the whole thread. There would be a longer wait to see if your graphic passed in the queue, and the longer wait means more build up. Plus, not everyone is on at the time, and its hard trying to get everyone together. Whoever is a part of this committee would have to be someone who isn't busy. And, well, chances of finding that is, well, slim.

We need to make a limit on who can submit graphics. Yes, the whole "You-need-X-posts-to-submit-graphics". I think by doing this you will knock out some of the stupid jockers who steal from DevArt and various other places, and sort of make people work for the right to submit their graphics. I seriously think this will eliminate A LOT of the, well, horrible graphics that are in plentiful in the queue.

Also, uh, I really feel weird stating this, but as I have realized from work, if you don't say anything at all, then nothing can be improved. Honestly, I think too many people have access to the queue with, like, minimal design experience and don't quite understand the ideas behind the standards. Now, I'm definately not going to name names because a) I dont want to sound like a bitch and b) my head would go rolling out the window. I think that ANYONE who has access to the queue should have a better understanding behind these rules/guidelines before they can accept/reject shtuff.




Whew. That was fun.

I don't think anyone has brought this up, but when is the design staff going to remove the bad graphics that were posted in here?

They have been removed. You can still view them though. They're just not viewable through the graphics tab thingie up top. The graphics stay in the system, for, like, ever.

Ohh, okay.

Exactly. Just because you are active and know what you're talking about with help and such doesn't mean you can judge a good graphic.

Or are you saying the staff isn't hiring qualified people in design positions?

i think its that =X

Not so much that, they might be qualified as far as giving help and such but with accepting graphics. I can think of a few people like that.

Oh by the way the bad graphics have NOT been removed

edit: and again
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30176
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30086
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30085
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30082
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30081
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29491
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29438
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29378
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29374
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29365
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29360
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29331
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=29328

I hate to say this and get in the middle of everything but I agree with this:


Its really true, there are just some people out there that are completely qualified to give out help and perhaps be on staff but to go in the queue and help accept or reject things just isn't for them. Of course they want to help but perhaps its better if they don't. =X

Sorry about being a pain in the ass

http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30265
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30254
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30240

Bright contrast does not make a good photo, in fact it takes away from the image

these aren't allowed:
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=6262
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=7184

http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=6331

Yeah, cB is really going down the drain.

^haha that was an expected comment.

Why is everything except the one graphic that was jocked from DA still there?

^I don't think their going to bother deleting stuff once its been accepted now.

I don't think they really want to go through a new house cleaning because it almost puts a bad name on the staff in that their incapable to accepted/rejecting the right graphics the first time around that they have to do a massive new house cleaning again.

I hate to say that.

Eh, whatever. It's just going to lead to a giant house cleaning anyway. Wouldn't it make sense to just do it in smaller sections?

QUOTE(Intercourse. @ May 15 2007, 5:17 PM)

^I don't think their going to bother deleting stuff once its been accepted now.

I don't think they really want to go through a new house cleaning because it almost puts a bad name on the staff in that their incapable to accepted/rejecting the right graphics the first time around that they have to do a massive new house cleaning again.

I hate to say that.

Actually we do. Its been spoken about but whether or not it will be done for sure hasn't been decided yet. Its pretty noticeable that it needs to be done, so personally I would say we leave the ones Jackie mentioned till we do it. (If its going to be a while , then I'll go through them now) At least that way its part of the process. I'm going to bring it up again to see if we can start the process soon.

I think as much as it would reflect poorly on the design staff, another house cleaning is needed. But after this, house cleaning should be banned, and bad graphics should be COMPLETELY removed from the database.

^yea although to sadly say it. Its never going to be that easy. Some of the people on positions in the design areas are still going to be on staff and their still going to keep accepting the bad graphics.

To keep the graphics completely up to the standards someones going to have to go back and check through the accepted to graphics.

^ Yes, its going to be the same staff. But after the house cleaning, hopefully all of the staff will keep their standards high when going through the queue.

I'm sooo excited for this house cleaning+raising the standards.

Holly, a few pages back you posted a link to a user whos pictures were too large; They've been removed.
I left everything else (low quality/poorly taken picture) for the house cleaning. Since we are having one, There is no need for me to go through and reject a ton of stuff just yet.

Wasn't that the point of the first house cleaning, to make sure it wouldn't been done again? The same people are just going to go on accepting poor graphics. It didn't stop them last time.

Alright well I agree with Jackie but its nice to hear you guys are agreeing to doing another house cleaning. I remember I brought it up a while ago and everyone was against it.


If you guys need any help feel free to ask

Sorry that last post wasn't supposed to come out as mean as it did

Same here^

QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ May 17 2007, 1:22 PM)

Wasn't that the point of the first house cleaning, to make sure it wouldn't been done again? The same people are just going to go on accepting poor graphics. It didn't stop them last time.

Yea , thats true but really it won't hurt. There are graphics that you and others are pointing out and if any of us go throw a few months back I'm sure we'd find more. So overall it wouldn't hurt. Personally I think some of the graphics are getting better (as I mentioned before but not here) there are still a few that just shouldn't be there, but a House cleaning is just going to help. I don't see a problem with the process.

I mentioned this to Holly earlier, and you both have been pointing out graphics which I agree should not be there as well, which is why I mentioned to her that this time around , if possible, it be good to allow members to point out some of the bad graphics. This is a really unorganized idea but I was thinking about us having a thread that people could post the links to bad graphics. (Personally I think it'd be better if it was posted toward the end of the process so if things were missed , they can be removed, if its thought they should be since we can't delete everything someone says should be deleted, if it isn't that good of a reason for it to be.) There could be other ways to do it . That was just my idea.

Personally I think it would be great if both of you helped out especially. The thread was more for "overall" anyone else that wanted to post their opinions on some.


Dang I hope that made some sense.

What I don't understand is if you are not rejecting the graphics that are obviously below the standard why did I just get 6 pms saying layouts have been rejected when I know quite well they are better than a lot of the stuff still there? It would be no problem if stuff like this and this were being rejected too.

Why not PM and ask the person that rejected it ? I mean this time around we are having it so (well in most sections and blogger is one of them) that the Blogger staff reject the blogger layouts. Myspace -> Myspace. So yea. The process also isn't over and to my knowledge I don't think blogger is done, at least it wasn't reported to be so if you really want to know I'd say just ask. Or wait to the end then make your statements about those.

This graphic should be rejected:

http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=30253

Why?

So on a whim, I clicked on avatars/icons and I have to say that these two accepted graphics confuse the shit out of me (as to why they were accepted?):

http://www.createblog.com/graphics/graphic.php?id=30618
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/graphic.php?id=30624

Kristina: Well... I just don't think that photo was taken well. There's a garbage bag in the background. :|

No offense, but thats not a real good reason. It's a beautiful photo. It shows the relationship between the dog & cat really well. Just because there is a trashbag in the background doesn't really mean much.

Once again, no offense.

^ it's okay. Just my opinion.

i think its okay too.

Yeah um what?

http://www.createblog.com/layouts/code.php?id=18111
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/code.php?id=17777

HORRIBLE image quality.

Thing is, Jackie, that although the first one looks like it's been through a gaussian blur blizzard, some people might like that. I think that's why it was accepted.

I don't personally think that the second one's image is all that lacking in quality. I wouldn't particularly go for all the textures/brushes/patterns or what not that was used, but again, that doesn't mean that someone might not really appreciate that layout and use it.

It's important to remember that when the reviewers look through layouts (especially in light of this), they weigh in both a sense of quality and a sense of what a general audience might like and use, not just what highly skilled designers would use.

Just trying to bring in some perspective is all, I totally respect your opinion(s). Perhaps you should/could voice some of your concerns there as well? I know that Jusun looks at that thread (or at least he was, since he created it).

Yep, that's why I accepted it. My first gut reaction was "what?" when I saw it, but when I clicked on the preview, I saw it was meant to be blurred and that it looked good with the rest of the design. I think the designer was after a "dream-like" sense.

The second one... I had rejected previously... and someone else went back and approved it.

^it's not even the gaussian blur. It's the actual image quality. It's blurred grain, which looks a million times worse than regular blur.

^ But if you look at the text quality of the banner, it isn't blurred. So the blur that they applied on the image was meant to happen. I thought this was a cool take on a "dreamy" layout ... like a "school girl crush" one.

Well, in this layout

http://www.createblog.com/layouts/preview.php?id=18373

everything looks really sloppy,
the headers are hard to read
and the images are really low quality
why was that layout accepted?

agreed. =/
it reminds me of geocities.

maybe because we need more masculine layouts? idk

^ Well as far as needing more of a certain type of layout, there really isn't much we can do about that, because we can only accept what people submit.

Wait, so you're saying that layout was accepted onlybecause we need more of those types of layouts?

Although, it doesn't suit my taste, the layout is not that bad. While it may not suit your taste or standards, that doesn't mean it won't appeal to someone else. And lastly, I would like to refer to you to this topic. I'm thinking all of the above was going through the mind of whomever accepted it.