http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2539036

Evidence provided was:

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2538981
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...t&p=2539000

The first link, did not mention the other guy at all, it was stating a fact.

The second link is not bashing, nor did he seem offended at all.

The best part was I was trying to get it back on topic, and this is how you thank me? I'm better off not helping you guys.

James, of course the guy was feeling offended, or at the least, I'm sure he didn't appreciate your comments. Why else would he have replied so negatively?

The first post: It doesn't matter if you were telling him that fact, or he was the fact of the matter; you were ridiculing him.

The first link was not offensive at all. It was defensive.

The second one was introspective. I wanted him to stop and take a look at the situation again before he continued messing up the debate.

Actually, the first link's post is rather an opinion. However, through the fact that you seemed so compelled to further your little debacle with the other guy, just furthered the "Non-Topic"-ness, Jesus felt that you/y'all needed a push to get back on topic.

The warning was justified.

Fail. Read the topic again, I was trying to tell him he was misunderstanding my posts, and even after he warned us, I still tried to bring it back on topic, and I didn't bash at all.



Fail. Read my posts again after the initial warning. I spoke about the debate at hand, and I told him to bring it back on topic.

I was the good guy here, but if you don't want that, then I don't know what to do.

Explain the necessity for the insults then.

Show me what you call insults.

You're insulting his "intelligence".

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2539017
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2539000
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2538993
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2538975

All of those were insulting posts.

No, I'm questioning whether he realizes that I'm not serious.

Well, you could have simply added "Yes, i'm being serious" or something to that extent on ANY of those posts.

1) How so? I said his argument is invalid due to fallacy. If that's insulting, then I'll dig up a list of posts that say the same thing.
2) See above.
3) Defensive, not offensive.
4) Are we banning sarcasm now? I'll dig up a list of sarcastic posts now.



Except, I wasn't serious.

OH YOU GUYS... ALWAYS ASSUMING.

The thing that makes those posts so insulting is that he felt that you were mocking him (which you were), which is more or less why he replied to you with such hostility.

1) "Wow that's utter fail." Insulting his statements.
2) "Are you slow or something?" Although your intention was to tell him to "take a look at the situation again before he continued messing up the debate," you said it in an insulting way.
3) Regardless of whether or not it was defensive or not, it was insulting to him; "wow is this kid for real?"
4) You were insulting his logic. Sarcastic because you can't win a national debate with an argument like that. (However, it's not the national debate bit that makes the post offensive, it's that you were insulting his logic.)

That's not member bashing, that's statement bashing. That's what happens in debates, deal with it.



No I didn't. I didn't say, wow, are you a f**king retard. Slow is the more politically correct term.



I'm asking, are you serious. That way there is no confusion. It's an expression. Deal with it.



See #1.

Ok, so now we both agree that it was bashing. Because it was his statement, it would end up as insulting him. Just like if I said what Jimmy said was garbage, he would have every right to feel offended, as he was the one who produced whatever statement.The specific words you used doesn't matter here. You were conveying the same message, which was an offensive one.The way that you expressed the question was insulting.

Reading comprehension dude.

I attacked what he said, not the person. That's what a debate is. If I said Jimmy, that statement is garbage, I'm not calling Jimmy garbage.



You're changing your story now. First you said I was saying it in an insulting way, which was the reason why it was bashing. But now it doesn't even matter that it wasn't insulting, because it's insulting to ask someone if they don't understand?



Flip flopping. You just said it doesn't matter, now it does matter how I say it?

Pick one thing and stick with it.

Say you called Jimmy garbage. Now you may have offended Jimmy's mother.
In the case of calling him "slow," it doesn't matter what words you were using whether it be "slow" or "retarded" because you were trying to convey the message that he was "slow."

Now where you were asking him if he was for real: sure you may have been asking him if he was serious but it was your specific choice of words that made it offensive.

The two situations are not the same.

What are you talking about?



No, I was asking.



YOU FO REAL? How many times have you heard that? It means ARE YOU SERIOUS?

I'm sorry, I was born and lived in NYC, don't hate on me because of that.



ARE YOU FOR REAL?

Even if we're talking about a debate situation, because you bashed on a statement that he produced, he might as well have every right to feel offended.
Either way. You just don't ask someone if they're "retarded" or "slow."
You were implying that he was a joke.

No. Attacking a statement does not necessarily mean the person has the same characteristic as the statement they mad. Know the difference, it could save your life.



Yes I do, his response wasn't negative, and in fact, he admitted that it was laziness on his part.



No I wasn't.

Ok James. This appears to be a matter of whether or not he really did get offended.

Your statements can be twisted for and against you. So I suppose the best way to come to a conclusion would be for him to testify.

If he happens to not want to testify, then sure, we can keep going.

Ok, lets get this straight. I was in fact offended, and I did feel that you were being offenseive, no matter how much you deny that you weren't.

No it doesn't, it is what I inteded, and I intended to learn him some lessons hurr.

Apparently you insulted him at the same time.

Apparently you're insulting me right now.

His point was awful and based on fallacy, I informed him, and he took it badly.

Anyway, if this stands, I'm going to find some more posts like mine that you can warn the people about ok?

What lesson was I supposed to learn from this? How to be insensitive?

Or was it some far fetched way of making me see your perspective on the topic? Because I really didnt learn anything from it.

I'm sorry if I come off as being offensive, but I don't understand your logic.

You're slow at learning.

Because you still haven't understood that ad hominem is a fallacy and that you were wrong.

I try not to read anything that has a " Staff " in their titles anymore.

Bashing and arguing cannot be as simply put, argued. There is a fine line between bashing and arguing.

Arjuna, you're a cock sucker.

That's bashing.

Well, I obvioulsy dont understand what ad hominem is nor a fallacy. So would you be so kind as to elaborate on this for a slow learner like me?

LOL.

So you don't understand stuff, but you go on trying to start an argument anyway?

Good job.

Ummm yeah...I start arguements for something I can't back up.
Would you please show me a specific quote that I stated where I started an arguement with you please?

You said I was prejudiced, and you're completely wrong.

Like I said before guys, if you're going to continue this, do it via PM.

There is no need for me to continue unless he attacks me.

1. I wasn't speaking to you directly
2. Therefore I wasn't deliberately instigating an arguement with you
2. Well, if your disagreement on interracial couples isn't based on predjudice, then why do you not agree with it.
4. I thought this was pming

It appears he wants to continue, James. I would prefer that you do it over PM, but you've really got to clear you inbox...

Otherwise, please find another method of contacting him.

His problem, not mine.

So back on topic. Are you reversing this or not? Because we can see clearly there was a misunderstanding.

I am leaving the verbal warning intact because he said it himself; he felt that you were offending him. You were complained about for member bashing.

In addition:

We have, indeed, had some sort of misunderstanding but I dont know where/when it started. Is it possible for agree on something or must we keep arguing?

Wow.

Just wow.

If that's warn worthy fine then. I'll keep an eye out. Any sarcasm or frustration will now be reported. And I expect you to personally verbally warn them all.

Very well sir.

Is there anything else you'd like to say about this topic? Closure is always nice.

ibtl

Yeah, it is still unfair, and you're going to have a whole lot of reports in your box.

And if you ignore them, expect another topic.

Reporting. I am feeling offended to that comment, Arjuna. Don't be so demeaning.

If you still have a conflict with your verbal warning, I insist that you express it.

Did this come to an end then?

I'm asking you: do you stand by your decision?

Yes, I do. I was in fact observing the incident while it happened, and I do believe that he had every right to be offended by your statements.

Alright then. Start writing those verbal warnings then to all those people I sent you.

I haven't received anything yet, but I'll take a look tomorrow. I am in fact still a middle school student and so I have to go to bed.

Just so you know, before you complain about me in your mod response topic.

Well you know, if I was James and someone said that crap (must refrain from cursing) to me, perhaps I would feel offended. Would that constitute for a verbal warning?

Just wondering.


Wow things have really changed.. =X