I have been a victim of moderator abuse TWICE (three times if you count the one I'm bringing up about the cosplay thread) now only recently.

I think there should be a mod warning system in place, where users can vote against a moderator's action and then once they abuse their powers to a certain point, they get kicked off the team.

Cause I'm sick of it.

I'm at 20% on my warning, bitches!


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Arjuna would be the first to go.

You know, as much as you guys dislike the current set of moderators, I'm surprised you guys haven't posted in Moderator Performance all that much.

I dunno, I think after the bajillionth time of saying the mods make the internet serious business, I gave up on being direct.

The picture in your signature is extremely annoyingly large.

Setting the shutter speed to low and then putting it in black and white with text all over the place does not make it artistic in anyway. Stop.

The Feedback forum is what protesting warnings are for, but we do ask the users to bring specific evidence that the warning was not warranted.

A voting system, though, would simply become a popularity vote in which the warned will gather up a bunch of friends to vote against the moderator. If the mod is clearly and continually abusing his or her powers, I'm sure one of the Head Staff or Admins would take notice.

20%, bitches!

OBVIOUSLY they're not taking notice. And wouldn't a popular vote make more sense, because the mods can just be friends with the admin and headstaff, so there's only a few votes, versus potentially hundreds of votes.

Here's evidence where I was abused, you guys acknowledged it.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173301
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=174209

The third abuse is being contested, and I will win again.

You know, as two ex-mods, I really would think that you guys would handle this better than you are now.

You two have first hand experience of what it's like to be a moderator "back then." You guys always talk about how horrible this generation of moderators are and how much better the moderators were back then.

So guys, how did you do it? And don't give me a garbage answer like "by not having our panties so twisted."


James, I'm going to have to say that you should be cleared in all the cases you've mentioned. (The second should matter much, though. That was a mere misunderstanding.)

I tend not to be so uptight with the rules on closing threads, because I try to understand the OP instead of closing it and acting hardcore demonstrating my awesome click powers.

That's one thing.

Ask me more, grasshopper; and I will teach thee the art of not having your panties in a bunch.

How many misunderstandings am I going to be involved in until you guys get it right?

How I'd do it? No, that's not what this topic is about, stop trying to derail the discussion. Otherwise I'd have to give you a spam warning.

omfg pwnt.

here's where arjuna posts a stupid forum picture, trying to be witty.

You know, James, at this point I suggest you do individual critiques of the current moderators rather than generalizing us. Maybe I'm speaking for myself, but I've honestly been trying to understand you guys. Why do you think I practically testified for you in the case of your warning?

If you genuinely cared about the leadership of createBlog, I would think you would have done more while you were a moderator the last time around and try to directly improve the staff rather than complaining about it all the time.

I led by example.

'Nuff said.

I would REALLY like to hear someone besides you two (kryogenix and Podomaht) provide some feedback.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it's as if it's becoming the kryogenix and Podomaht show.

Please, if other cB Members have issues, PLEASE give feedback.

We are imperfect human beings doing the best job we can. I honestly don't see anyone else giving us this much criticism other than you two. Mostly Kryo and Podomaht jumping in on his behalf (which isn't an insult, by the way, just an observation).

Criticism in bulk given by one person doesn't make the criticism more profound. We get that you don't like the staff. We get that you don't like how we handle things.

In addition to what Suzzette has said, I honestly don't know what else you want from us.

Then why isn't it being done now? I feel like I'm being unfairly targeted. Three times and there hasn't been anything done?



I dunno, THREE TIMES in a short time span from one mod is very suspicious to me.

I think there is favoritism and just trusting the staff to moderate themselves is not very fair.



I guess people understand that we are the spokespersons for this movement. Perhaps they aren't as outspoken as we are. Too many cooks spoils the broth.

Abuse? Abuse? I acknowledged that I had made a mistake in your examples. I was not abusing my power. I did not purposely say "Oh, look, Kryo has a topic, I think I'll close his topic." NO. I made mistakes, Kryo, not abuses.

I dunno. It doesn't seem like coincidence when it's three times in such a short period of time.

If you admit to your mistakes, I want to know why someone who is so error prone was named to staff.

Sorry for popping out of nowhere here, but I just personally think a lot of people find your posts just .. off and irrelevant. And that "nappy headed ho" stuff was just getting really irritating. K resume.

Unfortunately (well rather, fortunately), right isn't decided by the majority.

That never fails to be true.
I just felt like stating my personal opinion.

Hmm, have you been trying to test us with your stupid posts/topics?

According to Arjuna, that's member bashing. You have been reported.

Thanks.
Dude. You should try to apply for the CB moderator team.

This is not the place for arguing, everyone please remember:

There's a reason I quit. Now if you would stop posting off topic, that would be great.

ROFL

we wouldn't abuse it, if the members don't deserve it. But when a member crosses the line, then they will be warn. If continously, then we'll use more, for lacks of better words, punisment.

what about.. .just, getting better mods.

^ would you like to elaborate more?

who would you say to make a "Better" mod?

Elba!

According to common sense, it's stating the obvious ;)

Your tone is condescending. That's bashing.

Reporting.

XD feel free =D

Ooh, condescending. Reminds me of air condition.

Btw, you can report me, too, like your partner kyrogenix (sp?) did.

No, I don't want to. You're just a cock anyways.

Then .. you're a CHICKEN.

Btw mods, I'm not arguing. I'm just going way off-topic. x]

You have no idea how stupid you sounded typing that.

Anyways.

We need to have a warning system.

You must be a pussy cat then XD

sorry brownsugar kinda gotta to reply that one it's just too funnie to resist XD

We went over this issue about a year ago or two.

Member will take disadvantage of mod by voting them off by "disliking"

I agree. I feel that personal dislikes will weigh out what really should be done.

A "warning system" will only fuel certain people's vendetta's against the mods.

You're wanting to give a whole bunch of immature people the power to warn someone. You go ballistic with the reporting, one can only wonder what you'd do with a warning system.

Wow, as if the mods are any more mature than the rest of us.

You know, I'll jump in and say something here - I don't think you're entirely wrong in what you're aiming at. I also don't think it's as bad as what you're saying, but I can agree that a lot of mod actions that have been directed at you recently have been because of a lack of communication. People have been too quick to move, close, warn, without understanding the meaning behind your posts. Just because people don't "get it" doesn't necessarily mean it's spam.

Realizing that a lot of our staff members are young, they've been trusted with a responsibility that requires some of them to be more mature than their actual age. That being said, I think our staff members are mature enough to handle it. The problem is the misconception of the term "mature". Being mature doesn't mean performing as many mod actions as possible, it's knowing WHEN to perform these actions that counts, as well as being consistent in how they are carried out. I think we can work on this, and I think as they get settled into their roles (this WAS a very recent hiring session, after all, it was only about a month ago, if I remember correctly) we'll have a more pleasant interaction between mods/members.

Without dismissing your idea completely, James, I'm interested in hearing more about your idea as far as how the system works, and how, if it were implemented, we would prevent members voting mods down simply because they were angry about something. It's easy to feel like you're being treated unfairly when you're on the receiving end, is all I'm saying.

Then what about the mod vendettas against users?

Ballistic? I'm doing my part to help the community! Now that you guys have defined what is warn worthy, I've been vigilant in finding posts that go against these definitions.

Now there's a mod I can semi-agree with.

Honestly, it's just the choice of the mods. Most of them aren't 'mature' enough to handle the power of what to close, and what to warn about. Half the threads that are closed don't need to be and 90% of the actions most of the mods take on behalf of assuming things are in fact, wrong.

Oh gosh, no one (that I know of) has a vendetta against anyone.



Well you know, part of that might be because of the youth factor (both in age and in the amount of time on staff).

Something that has been definitely brought up Backstage (hope it's ok for me to say this) is the idea of communicating with someone prior to closing (unless it's something blatent, like advertisting). Typically what is desired is for the person that has made a thread that seems like it should be closed to get a PM, to ask them what's up. I think a lot of premature closing of threads could be solved that way. Now on the chance that someone's PM box is full (and to acknowledge something Kryo has said before, of course it's your choice rather or not to clean out your inbox), what would be great is if someone were to respond in that thread and just ask. It never hurts to ask.

Funny, because I don't know of any specific user-mod vendettas either. But we still seem to be having problems...

For some reason there's just this strange lack of communication lately. I think that we all want the same thing though, right? That is, we all want to have fun here, post around and be able to discuss things? There's this sense of you don't like me and I don't like you, which I don't think has any real basis. A lot of this is really poor communication. I've actually talked to people Backstage about what Dani just recently said here, a while ago.

Staff knows that now that they need to make an attempt to communicate, prior to closing threads if it is something of a gray area to them. Typically this should be done via PM. If that isn't possible, then in-thread and before it is closed. Now this hasn't been made into a rule, but I'm hoping it will be thought of as a standard. If someone doesn't respond back, then there isn't much they can do about that, but at least the door to communicating has been opened.