If I were of the age you were refering to I would be a tad insulted. Also, I'm aware you haven't been around much (as I haven't either) so you may be slightly misinformed about the whole scope of things(?) Humans make mistakes. We all do, and in this instance I don't think it has anything to do with someone's age or lack of maturity or whatever. Sorry, but I'm a bit thrown off by that.

I wasn't implying that some of our mods are too young to be able to handle it, I thought that was clear, actually. What I was trying to say was that while we have a lot of young people on staff, I think we've chosen a good group that is mature enough to handle the responsibility despite their age. I never said that our mods were too young or immature, I was actually saying quite the opposite. Perhaps my wording was off, but it was meant as a compliment. This topic was started (as well as others) because a lot of people have doubts about the competency of our staff members, and with that I was expressing my support for them.

Anyway, as far as importance goes, that was a small portion of my post. My big point was what I said about miscommunication. I hope nobody took what I said as an insult, because that's not at all how I meant it to come across. I think Rebecca and I are on the same page with regards to how mod actions should be carried out. Too many times have I seen someone mention "Hmm, maybe we should do ___" and then another mod coming across it and responding, "YES! You're absolutely right! As a matter of fact, I'll do that right now!" without giving it a second thought. I'm simply saying that some of these things aren't as simple as that, they need more thought and more discussion.

What hiring session?

Oh snap!

Yeah, you're wording seemed off because I was trying to think back to where age was a factor mentioned in this whole incident. I gotcha now, though.

Prime example of assuming things!

The recent one, where Kaycee, kryo, Michael, James, Anna, and crew (sorry, I can't remember you all) were hired, is the one I'm referring to.

edit; It was mid-January. It was recent, but apparently not as recent as I thought. Time flies when you're busy, I guess. :P

basically,

there shouldn't have to be a mod warning system.
pretty effin ridiculous, especially on a teen forum.
if people think there is a need for such a system,
then it might be better to just get better people
on the job.
however, i really don't think this is the case.
i mean, yeah, staff has gone downhill, a lot.
but i don't think there is really a need for a mod
warning system, that's pretty ridiculous.

more goes along the lines of mods aren't perfect.
and people shouldn't f**kin expect them to be perfect either.
cb doesn't need another system or set of rules,
i think it's gone downhill because it's become so uptight.

Stop writing your sentences like you're writing verses for a poem.

Yeah bitches, loosen up.

Man, sometimes this stuff comes out of left field without any clue as to what sparked that feeling. I mean, I can see where you would think that the staff can be too uptight, because I feel that way too sometimes, but to say that we've gone downhill.. I wish we could stop generalizing because I'd like to know if you mean the staff as a whole or a few specific members.

Back to the "uptight" statement, I'd take it a step further and say that I don't think it's so much that we're too uptight as we (the general we, yes, I'm generalizing) 1) take things personally way too easily, 2) are easily irritated, and 3) are often too insecure. These are normal human traits, but in a position of authority they are things that need to be overcome, meaning they're things we should all be aware of and working on. If we're not, things like "quick, thoughtless decision-making" and "he made me mad so I closed his thread" will happen. We just need to be aware of these things, like I said, and think them through before we do something.

What I've always said with regards to my method of moderating is that in most cases, it's best to do NOTHING. By nothing, I mean don't move/close/warn/suspend. Keeping an eye on a topic is okay, posting in it to settle things down if it gets out of hand is okay, but a topic should only be closed if it's for an obvious reason. Same thing with warnings. If we're taking some sort of mod action, we should be thinking, "wait a sec, is it really that bad that I need to be doing this?" In most cases, the answer is probably no, and nobody will be hurt if we let it slide unless you have a solid rule to back up whatever it is you're doing. Jeez, I know we've been around in circles on the leniency thing, and I know often people will not be satisfied, but why does it HAVE to be so damn strict?

With that in mind, some of the recent "controversial" topics have been closed for valid reasons, and while you may have been right in starting the argument to begin with, you did take it far enough to merit a warning. That's only fair. I know you're trying to make a point, and believe me, I can agree with a lot of the things you're saying, it's just the way you're making the point that's getting you "punished", or harrassed, as you tend to put it.

I dunno, though, I've been knocked on a couple of times recently for inactivity, so maybe I should start moving/closing/warning/danismashing (oh, a disclaimer, that was a joke, self-deprication, and all). :P

just to clear things up quickly,
yeah have no problems with the staff or whatever.
just meant staff going downhill as a whole.
but i think i just think that because i'm so used
to our old staff and stuff. forgive me, lol,
that's just me. i miss the old days, but
the staff is doing well now.
and the uptightness, yeah it's just kinda one of
those things you can't change at this point.
again, not necessarily all the mods faults either.
9/10 times mods were forced to take action
because members were gettting out of hand.
but yeah, good job ya'll. lol i don't know what else
to really say. just, that a mod warning system
is ridiculous, just yeah. . . just not needed.
but yeah, no problems with anyone just to point that out.

i'll write my responses in the form of stanzas if i want, podomaht.
i suggest you piss off and be overly critical somewhere else =)

Yea the staff as a whole has gone downhill and I agree with Katie.

It just seems that the more staff put on and stuff and the uptightness comes from all these teens that just take this being on staff thing way to seriously. Jusun doesn't even want you guys to fill as if this is a job but that you really want to do this and if your way to serious about this site your going to ruin it for yourself. The staff all need to loosen up and not care as much. Don't care less so much that it will make the site fall apart but enough that your not ruining it and making more and more people hate being here because of it.

Suggestion not taken.

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I don't think you caught that. The reason I said that was because it wasn't a proper hiring session and not every member was given the chance to apply.

Reviewing the conflictive rules and modifying them if needed seems a far more easy, fast and realistic solution than creating and implementing a new warning system.

For example, the Controversy Rule. It could be transformed into a rule against Trolling and abuse; two concepts that are less vague and easier to identify.

I could go with something like that.

Gee, I wonder why.

You know why

That's fine, but it doesn't matter, because that's not what I was talking about. You apparently missed that I was referring to an actual hiring session. That's okay.

But fine, though, we'll go off on another subject. True, this recent hiring was not a proper hiring session.. okay. That's not an argument, though, because there has always been the accomodation that people can be randomly appointed if needed. I hate to compare this to real life, but if a workplace has a couple positions open, they don't have to put up a now hiring sign or hold a job fair. It's perfectly acceptable to just hire someone else and fill the spot. If you want to argue about the random hirings, argue the rule, not the action.

On another subject, I've never been to another forum that holds "hiring sessions" like this. Many forums will just let their mods pick a new staff member whenever the wills strikes them, and MOST forums don't even allow the staff members input, it's just a random appointment by an admin. The fact that so member input is so appreciated here was a pretty big shock to me. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, why is it such a big deal?

That's a good point. If everyone can agree that old cB was fun cB, I remember that fun cB involved Jusun appointing people and after that mods were voting on mods... and what's going on now? Is cB still fun?

idk.

Well, I think it's pretty clear that many people do not find cB fun at all anymore. That's really unfortunate, I think we all can agree on that.

How that affects a Mod Warning System? If people feel like they don't have any freedom here, or feel uncomfortable here then that does affect the fun quota. It's about balance and for one reason another, there is relatively little balance here.

Does that mean we should create a Mod Warning System? Well, it may be early and I may not have had enough coffee yet, but don't we have one? I know that there have been a few mistakes lately, mistakes I think people have learned from. Besides that though. Oh wait a minute, I reread the first post:



I have to ask, to you honestly think it's abuse, or mistakes?

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I remember when I PMed Jusun asking if I could be a mod and BAM it happened!
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Forgive me if I start going off tangent:

Dani - Your activity was questioned? If anything, you seem more active than I ever was when I was an admin while I was still active (Now I feel guilty =X). And this is coming from me, who doesn't really log on as much, but I LURK a lot of the times.

Since I was a former admin (I feel special when I say that... :P), for what you said, Dani, about doing "nothing" in most cases in regards to actual modding (moving/closing/etc.), I did the same. In the past, I would used the search feature a lot. Since I was active, I knew which topics were duplicates or were semi-relevant, and I would merge them together. Instead of having a thread closed, perhaps it could be merged. And it wouldn't change the other topic, since newer posts are at the end. It's also a great way to bump up old topics, especially those that were (maybe still are?) worthy topics that sparked great discussion. I say this because it doesn't seem like some threads were being merged, in the past (like a month ago). Maybe I'll go look some up as I come across any.

I mean, some of the topics now do spark discussion and all, but not to the extent where people actually READ all the posts. As people have mentioned before (was it Michael--mipadi-- who mentioned it quite a while ago?), there's members who just post ONCE in the thread and don't even look back, nor do they realizie that plenty of their posts are duplicates of others, saying the exact same without realizing it.

As for the warning system... I guess I don't have much to say about that part, since I never actually warned anyone in the past.

It's because everyone is too serious with CB. CB is not a job, don't put it on your resume, nerds.


Less moderating and more fun. It's simple.

Breakthrough of the century!



I dunno, based on the talk backstage it seems like you guys all had your eyes on me. And then when three "mistakes" are made targeting me, it kinda says something...

And of course, being deliberately obnoxious is the best way to get people to have fun...

Hippy.

Still partial to trim the fat from the present rules; make them simpler and clearer, and get rid of those that are unnecessary or already covered by another rule.

I would prefer to have rules that are easier to follow and to act upon than to have to babysit the babysitters that babysit the babysitters that are babysitting the babysitters in the first place.

It would be less stressful for everybody.

Indeed it would be and is something that believe me, is getting reviewed.

By the way, thanks for giving constructive criticism and suggestions. It's very appreciated.

Actually it's a little more fun now, so I guess it is.

I don't think a mod warning system is going to be useful. Things shouldn't be made any more complicated than they have to be.

I agree that modifying rules (such as controversy, spamming, pointless topics, trolling...) to make them clearer would be better. It isn't a problem of anyone having a 'vendetta' against others; it's just different views on how to carry out/enforce rules.

Even when they're consistently wrong on how they enforce the rules?

There always will be human errors, although with better tools and practical experience the number and significance of said mistakes can be lessened.

And by the way, the "errors" we're talking about here are pretty tame keeping the whole lot of possibilities in mind. Which doesn't mean they shouldn't be dealt with, though. Was just stating the obvious, kinda.

We have a wrongdoing (three actually). We have a motive. I dunno, it just adds up to me. What's the coincidence that someone makes three mistakes in such a short period time involving the same person?

And if this person is so error prone, why are they on staff?

Depends on what the person found on the receiving end is doing, also mostly. Also on how it's being done, when and why.

As far as mod statistics go, I haven't really been enough to notice consistent misdoing on the staff's side. Then again, I am not around too much.

I think we should be able to impeach the useless ones.