I agree with global warming, but I do not agree with the fact that HUMANS are to blame for it. We only produce a FRACTION of the carbon in the atmosphere, and by that I mean single digits of giga tons. Also, the scientists doing most of the studies who were with it in the begging are now against it, I wonder why?

Rotting leaves from trees create more carbon a year than the human factor to the world, that includes cars, and all of the things told to be causing global warming to SKYROCKET.

Professor Ian Clark says it the best, "You can't say CO2 will drive the climate, it certainly never did in the past."

Also I love Al Gores complete stance on it, that the melting ice caps will kill us all. He mentions Greenland's under continental currents, and well what he says is not true, he mis used the data given to him to further the scare factor of his movie.

"The Great Global Warming Swindle" worth every penny.

Also, I would like to point out the scientist who first STARTED studying Global Warming is against it, why? Because the media and the government agencies have turned it into a money game, thousands of jobs rely on funding to research something that is not happening.

All a "Inconvenient Truth" has going for it is a few maybe "What ifs."

^bing bing bing bing bing bing!

Scientists who are coming out and saying that Global Warming is happening are all being funded by the government and in order to get those funds they're telling the government that they're going to look into things that the government wants to hear. They're not going to say we need the money so we can prove that global warming isn't really happening as y'all say it is. The government refuses to admit wrong in many regards. That's why recently they've gone from calling it 'global warming' to 'climate change' haha.

Global Warming is one of many touchy subjects I speak on, and I am totally against Al Gores propaganda he spreads in his movies, he flat out LIES about a deciding factor of ice caps malting. Wanna know why? Because if he told the truth, you would realize it makes no sense, what he is promoting in his slide show would show the complete opposite if you knew the complications of the atmosphere, CO2, water warming and other factors. He doesn't tell you those factors, because if he did, his entire presentation would then be a public lie.

this is a very big deal. and its getting worse rom pollution.

Well... it's either global warming or evolutionary. Lets just hope it's global warming and we can fix it. Cuz if it's evolutionary, we're lookin at another age of the dinosaurs :x

lol

Accept the dinosaurs died from a meteor hitting the earth and blocking the sun out. This would actually be the complete opposite if what they are saying what we are doing to the earth is happening. We would die from it being too hot, not too cold. So the complete opposite yes.

Also, the sun will blow up in a few million years anyway, so the end of earth will happen, we just wont be around to see it.

Well there's two theories goin on. Global Warming and Global Cooling.

There's also another theory that the earth is gonna flip. North Pole will be south, and south pole will be north.

What I meant about the dinosaurs was, human life will expire once everything freezes over. Not because of comets :D

No such thing as Global Warming. At least not of the scale most politicians want us to believe.

My own view is that Global Warming is a convenient cover for just how low our natural finite resources are getting. It's also a fabulous method of social control.

But we wouldn't be bothered about that - as it won't happen in our lifetime; but Global Warming? That's a very 'now' thing. Quick! Terrify the populace!

There's not even any confirmed evidence that Global Warming exists. No two scientists or institutions are in agreement. Where's the evidence?

As Tamacracker has said, in the late 70's the concern was over Global Cooling. Ironic, huh?

There's some great resources for anyone interested at www.globalwarmingisafarce.com

^Yar.

I don't think it's so much a cover up for the dwindling down of finite natural resources though. I think it's something for Al Gore to do. If he really cared he'd tear down his house and move into something much smaller, instead of something that uses 20 times the national average.

Also there are so many factors that everyone leaves out. A recent one I found out about is with the increasing landfill technology, they're absorbing more and more carbon, which is going to omg stop global warming

Bleh.

then u clearly do not read science journals
not to mention the latest IPCC report, which was written and reviewed by thousands of scientist around the world, who are ironically in agreement.

everyone needs to go read the report Smoke Mirrors and Hot Air, besides being extremely interesting, u'll see who's really doing the "covering up".

people can argue all day over whether they think the increase in temperature ( which is proven, and supported by evidence) is because of humans or natural. i don't see why we wouldn't put effort into more environmentally safe practices, what is there to lose by playing the safe side?

so what if u dont KNOW FOR SURE that it's going to be a problem in ur lifetime, u dont KNOW FOR SURE that ur gonna need car or health insurance but u still buy it don't u.

I wrote a paper on this and did hours of research; INCLUDING scientific journals.

Please link me to relevant sources and back up your arguments.

http://www.john-daly.com/press/press-01b.htm#cru
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0118/p02s01-usgn.html
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/articl...?ContentID=5300

man this topic was closed last time i tried to reply
ANYWAY
ur first link is by john daly, the opinion of ONE man

ur second link
because the "christian science" monitor is what id really wanna quote for my scientific resources. sorry, if i had turned that into my college professor he would have laughed in my face, but i duno about urs

i was confused by the third link, it just telling how much pollution our cars put out. i dont get how thats relevant to ur argument that global warming doesn't exist and isn't a reason for concern. that whole website was in support of global warming existing and being a problem it seemed like. not skeptical so i dont know

http://www.ipcc.ch/index.html
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/scien...irrors-hot.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

id start out with those three links
we already know the IPCC's take on global warming, and since 1988 thats always been the leader we look to...
National Academy of Sciences
American Meteorological Society

i personally trust these GROUPS, that express an opinion reached by MANY scientists more than ONE scientists opinion, aka john daly who died in 2004

Ok look the Earth is heating up, no doubt about that. Is it natural? Yes. Medieval times were way hotter. It was cooler to an extent that they feared another ice age a few decades ago. We're actually emerging from a mini-ice age. I too wrote a 7 page paper on the topic of Global Warming, but I don't see that as a source as you probably picked the side you supported and found facts backing that up.

Yes we can clean up the environment. Yes we can do all sorts of stuff to make the air cleaner, but it's not going to stop whether or not the Earth gets hotter or colder.


edit:: and this smoke and mirrors books, who wrote it and from what perspective is it?

Union of Concerned Scientists



i still don't see why we wouldn't want clean air, regardless of if it effects the temperature of the earth.

Whether Global Warming exists or not, taking certain measures will be beneficial either way. Look at our gas prices, and where we have to get our oil from. By driving more fuel efficient vehicles and consuming less, thats less money we have to hand them.

And I dont see how anyone can state that pollution isnt bad for our planet and atmosphere. If its not contributing to Global Warming, its gotta be doing something. Just like when a person smokes or consumes something unnatural, it ends up hurting them in one way or another.

I still believe there's a fairly good chance that Global Warming IS real. But for me, there's still a small chance that we're wrong. But even if there was just a teeeny chance that we WERE causing it, why not take the proper precautions, just in case? The precautions people are wanting us to take are nothing major. It's not like they'd alter our way of life.

exactly
there's no harm in playing it safe, i think there's a ton of benefits like not depending so much on foreign countries. it seems pretty logical to me.

And as far as driving more effecient vehicles goes, the technology has been here. We already have decent effecient cars here in the US, but Europe has cars that get almost TWICE the fuel economy. I saw in a magazine awhile back about how Volkswagen has a car similar to the Rabbit / Golf over in Europe that gets like 60 or 70 mpg. But, the article added that VW will be unable to bring it overseas to the US. I dont think our government (current one at least) wants us to have more fuel efficient vehicles, because thats less money we'd spend on gas. Alot of our vehicles cant even pass the requirements to even be sold in Europe, because of their emissions and fuel economy.

Ahhh, now I'm rambling.

They also have way less people driving, more mass transportation, and weaker less-safe cars.

Btw, Global Warming is real. Is it the end of the world? no. Is it natural? yes. Was it going to happen regardless of what we did? yes. Will it eventually cool down? yes.

oh ok
i duno why i bother reading so much information from actual scientists when i could just asked u since u have all the answers. its much more simple this way. i wasted a ton of time
lets all go back to pumping a bunch of waste into our air and oceans and using ridiculously inefficient things. won't bother me if my children never seen blue sky

*sigh* I hate when people automatically assume that when I say what I just said that I'm also saying we should keep polluting.

Did I make up those answers? nah. I researched it all, so meh.

no ur right, u never said we should pollute, so i apologize for assuming that

i researched all my answers too
everyones researched all their answers
which i guess is why this topic will never go anywhere


i'm gonna stick with the IPCC and their thousands of scientist
and whoever wants can stick with their organizations, who's board members include staff members of exxon mobil

my final opinion is we should work on making things more efficient, more environmentally safe, regardless of what is causing global warming. it's not gonna hurt anything to be cleaner. i don't think people will ever agree if the rising temperature is human made or not, but there's no doubt pollution is a problem.

I agree with you for the most part. Rising temperatures, some is human induced, but the majority is not. That was one of the things I looked into. Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines erupted in the 80's and that one eruption put out more emissions than humans have since the industrial revolution. The point I'm arguing is not that we should pollute, nor should we ignore the rising temperature all together, rather we shouldn't try to stop it.

I could make arguments about the scientists on the 'Global Warming is Happening' side, but I've made that argument earlier in this thread, as well as every argument that we've just discussed.

How can we be so sure of how much we have and have not induced? The earth is millions of years old, but we've only been polluting for the past 100 - 150 years or so.

What if we can help stop it? Better safe than sorry, right?


Less people driving is a good thing. Heck, the roads are overcrowded enough as it is. 50 years ago families didnt have 2 and 3 vehicles like they do today. Mass transportation is also a good thing. If I lived in a larger city like Chicago or something, I'd definitely use it. But weaker cars? Where do you get that from? I dont think car manufacturers are doing that to get better mileage - its out of cheapness. It's more profitable for them to make a car cheaper and sell it at a regular price. Compare cars today to ones from like 20 years ago. Today they're lighter, flimsier, and not as quality made.

And oh, a vehicles weight isnt the only thing that contributes to better fuel economy.

I know it's not the only thing that contributes to fuel economy. I'll find other info regarding cars later.

Regarding the first response, I'll go get an interview from my boss on monday. He's a geologist, maybe he knows a thing or two.

I personally think it's all a load of shit and I don't even pay attention to the people who like to do nothing but talk about it. It's just another scam that's going to make people paranoid and think that the end is near, or another way to get people to blow their money on things that are supposed to be "enviroment friendly".

Anyway, if you want real signs that the world is coming to an end, here's a few.
1. Spice Girls do a ruinion tour. That all on its own is frightening, but what makes it a total horror is all of the people who will probably go to see them.
2. People like Britney Spears and Nichole Richie are allowed to have kids. With mindless idiots such as those having kids, what good could possibly come of it?
3. Paris Hilton discovers God. People like that don't go seeking religion unless something horribly wrong is going to happen.

I'm sure there's plenty who will complain about this whole entire thing I am posting, but oh well. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Just out of curiousity, if someone says they believe that global warming is real or if someone says that it isn't real, won't either side believe that the other is being brain washed?

yes
because half think its a scam, and that politicians made it up (they made up all the scientific research to go with it, of course)
and the other half think its common sense that we should take care of the planet we live on, and take into consideration the possibility that our disgusting wasteful habits might actually be having an effect on it.


even though i don't agree with on u global warming
i agree with ur three signs the world is coming to an end
its ridiculous

But you have to take into account the scientists doing the research, and whose funding them. I know it can sound conspiracy-like, but in today's day and age money can do almost anything.

yea thats true
and goes both ways

hmmmm, well more like humans now
since the industrial revolution

But take into account that volcanoes exploding put out more emissions and stuff than we have SINCE the industrial revolution.

Also we sequester way more carbon nowadays nehow, what with lawn mowing, house building causing new trees to be planted, landfills, etc etc.

I've heard that in a sense we need the whole global warming thing. I can't remember why, but I know there was some thing about something bad happening if we didn't have it or whatever. Idk, the whole thing just annoys me.

^Huh?

Why would it be necessary?

First off, I know basically zilch about this topic, so please,, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong in anything I say.

So from what i understand, Global warming deals with how the ice caps are melting, correct?

personally i think it is just a cycle that the earth goes through regularly, I mean how could we know or not, its not like people 1,000 years ago could record stuff like that, though there is probably some scientific methods that can be applied to discovered if something like this has happened or not.

Yeah, regular cycle

it has to do with way more than this.
and yes there are methods to determine temperatures years and years back, longer than we have been accurately recording them

no offense, but if the only thing u know is that ice caps are melting u probably shouldn't debate on this subject =/


i understand that it could be a cycle, but i don't understand the reasoning of not doing anything and just waiting it out to see. because then what if we get screwed. like i said in a previous post, we don't buy car insurance because we are positive we're going to be in a wreck. that's just my opinion though.

^ i wasn't tyring to debate, i was just adding a personal opinion, but maybe i will now

if it is such a big thing to worry about, and the effects it might have on this earth, then why isn't anyone doing anything to prevent or slow it down,, like wouldn't you think there would be a world wide panic if we knew that this earth may not be functionable within an alotted amount of time?

"We've all heard the stories, reported as indisputable fact: The last century or decade is just about the hottest the world has ever been. Carbon dioxide from burning gasoline and coal is blamed. Unless their solution is enacted right now, temperatures will rise terribly in the next century. Icecaps will start to melt, coasts will flood, storms will get worse, diseases will spread, animals will die, and more. And it's all because of us Americans.

The best lies contain a measure of truth. Yes, carbon dioxide in the air has increased in the last century due to the use of fossil fuels. Yes, global average temperature has increased 0.8 degrees F in the same century. Unfortunately, the temperature increase came first: most of the temperature increase was before 1940, and most of the new carbon dioxide was added after 1960. Would you trust a "scientist" who said the result came before the cause?

There are other problems, as well. Solar activity may be the cause of the world temperature changes. The global warmers can't explain why satellites show no temperature change in the past 20 years. The computer models that predict disaster in a century have been completely wrong for the past 20 years. And no one can agree on the side effects.

Scientific facts actually helped unravel the treaty last year. Carbon dioxide is removed from the air by various natural and manmade processes, and world leaders couldn't agree on how to credit for this. No one wanted the U.S. to get credit for removals of carbon dioxide, so negotiations faltered.

Most scientists use facts and logic to reach conclusions. It's no surprise that over 17,000 scientists and engineers have signed a petition calling for rejection of the Kyoto treaty. This overshadows any collection of scientists that have endorsed the treaty.

The global warmers have failed to prove that man has caused a problem. This hasn't stopped them from demanding we act, and act now. "

anddd

"There is no global warming. Period.

You can't find a real scientist anywhere in the world who can look you in the eye and, without hesitation, without clarification, without saying, kinda, mighta, sorta, if, and or but...say "yes, global warming is with us."

There is no evidence whatsoever to support such claims. Anyone who tells you that scientific research shows warming trends - be they teachers, news casters, Congressmen, Senators, Vice Presidents or Presidents - is wrong. There is no global warming.

Scientific research through U.S. Government satellite and balloon measurements shows that the temperature is actually cooling - very slightly - .037 degrees Celsius.

A little research into modern-day temperature trends bears this out. For example, in 1936 the Midwest of the United States experienced 49 consecutive days of temperatures over 90 degrees. There were another 49 consecutive days in 1955. But in 1992 there was only one day over 90 degrees and in 1997 only 5 days.

Because of modern science and improved equipment, this "cooling" trend has been most accurately documented over the past 18 years. Ironically, that's the same period of time the hysteria has grown over dire warnings of "warming."

Changes in global temperatures are natural. There is no proof that temperature is affected by anything that man has done.

In fact, recent severe weather has been directly attributed to a natural phenomenon that occurs every so often called El Nino. It causes ocean temperatures to rise as tropical trade winds actually reverse for a time.

The resulting temperature changes cause severe storms, flooding and even draught on every continent on earth. "

there was more to the article that i personally don't agree with,
i checked on google, and not to be trusting of the internet, for yes, it does contain many lies, but all but one article on the front page it looked like said Global Warming was actually occuring.

that article is by William Robert Johnston right?
there are MANY articles claiming the exact opposite
what makes u believe this one over other ones?
why do u think his opinion is more qualified than others?

i don't understand the last sentence about google, when i go to google and type in global warming the first page has a ton of hits on articles that support that global warming is happening

also
160 countries endorse the kyoto protocol
so honestly 17,000 scientists and engineers signing a petition against it doesn't seem like that much to me considering how huge this thing is.

I disagree with the Kyoto Protocol. I don't disagree with the idea behind it. If the United States were to sign on to it, then so much of what our industry does would be crippled. If there were a more gradual way of cleaning things up that gave the industry time to make the changes without having to worry too much about going out of business, then that would be fine with me. Also, the Kyoto Protocol exempts "developing countries", such as China, India, and North Korea. I forget the exact number but somewhere around 11 of the world's top 25 (#2, 4, and a few other low ones too) or so industrial countries were deemed as "developing".

I think you and I have come to a point where the best thing we can do is agree to disagree. Everything I can say about scientists who support the fact that global warming is happening, you could say about the ones that I use in arguments who say it's a hoax.

Also, I don't believe that we should do nothing about the environment etc, I just believe that we shouldn't halt production on everything so we can "stop global warming". I believe and will always stand by the point that the earth may be warming up, but it isn't humans who are causing it. We're just contributing on a very small scale.

i agree

global warming is a myth . i attend suffolk university in boston and we actually had a whole semester on global warming . its a myth believe me .

Okay, care to fill us in on what you've learned? You must have a lot to say if you spent an entire semester on it.

wow where do i even begin.....
the myth starts with a veryyyy accurate observation..... The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is rising. My teacher was awesome she was aslo wicked convincing and really knew her stuff . But yeah so at this point the cabon dioxide is now like 360 parts per million, versus 290 at the beginning of the 20th century, estimates show that it may eventually rise as high as 600 parts per million. this rise probably results from human burning of stuff like coal, oil and natural gas. the earths oceans and land holds liek 50 times as much carbon dioxide then in the atmosphere, and movement between these reservoirs of carbon dioxide is misunderstood.Especially by the media all these stupid companies want to do is make money by scaring all of us and saying blahhh this world will end when there is scientific evidence that its mearly impossible at this point in time. We have a better chanceof an astroid demolishing the planet then global warming occuring.
And for those of you who never payed attention in school and dont alr eady nkow carbon dioxide and water are greenhouse gases.they tend to admit more solar energy into the atmosphere than they allow to escape. actually, things arnt as simple as this, since these substances interact among themselves and with other aspects of the atmosphere in complex ways that are not well understood. still, it was reasonable to hypothesize that rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels might cause atmospheric temperatures to rise. Some people predicted "global warming," which has come to mean extreme greenhouse warming of the atmosphere leading to catastrophic environmental consequences.
The global-warming hypothesis, is no longer even tenable. Scientists have been able to test it veryy carefully, and it doesn't hold up. During the past 50 years, as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have risen, scientists have made exact measurements of atmospheric temperature. These measurements have definitively shown that major atmospheric greenhouse warming of the atmosphere is not occurring and it never will.

so yeah dont you tell me about global warming
i could write on forever about it.
its not going to happen its just the companies
making money off stupid people who dont
know what their talking about because
their too lazy to open a few books and learn the facts.

we could all write about it forever
steven and myself have both written papers on the subject (i think u said u wrote on this steven, maybe im confusing it with hybrid cars)
i mean nothing u just said hasn't already been said in this thread
we can go to a million websites and read what u just told us, and like steven said a few posts ago, we can also go to a million and read that what u just told is a lie.
shrugs
i thought if u spent a whole semester on it u were going to tell something we haven't already said

who knows, i think i might be done with this thread, because i'm not going to change my stand on it just because someones teacher convinced them it wasn't happening. i've opened books and learned facts and that's whats brought me to my conclusion. the same goes with the people who have come to the opposite conclusion as me.
i don't think either side is necessarily right.

well that my love is why we live in america and you have a right to your own opinion and i dont pay 30,000 dollars a year to learn lies so my OPINION stands tall because i know what i've learned and i believe in it 100%.

congrats
everyone feels that way
of course u don't pay 30,000 a year to learn lies, that would be ridiculous. if they believed they were lies, they wouldn't be telling it to u. if i thought my beliefs were a lie, i wouldn't be behind them either.

ur opinion stands tall, just like mine
we both have a lot of people who think the same as us

agreed.

you know for a kid from brooklyn you seem pretty intelligent . are you still in school?

i don't really consider myself a kid, i'm older than u are
yeah i'm still in school, in college
what's me being from brooklyn have to do with anything?


we should discuss this somewhere else, it's getting off the global warming topic

oh man i meant kid as in your young && being from brooklyn theres nothing wrong with that at all actually i just meant it as new york is sorta bostons rival city so thats just how i meant it.

but yeah global warming everyone cmon!
show some opinions!

oh yea
i wasn't thinking about that rivalry
in that case
u suck cause ur from boston little girl!!!!!!!

alrighty, i'm going to go eat lunch now