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GothpunkGClover
Why is it illigal, should it be legal? give me you're thoughts.
ComradeRed
angel-roh
WELL I THINK IT SH0ULD BE LEGAL? SIGH I D0NT KN0W...THATS A HARD THING T0 TALK AB0UT... I MEAN WAT WILL THE SINGERS WILL SAY? HMM I D0NT KN0W BUT IS THE SINGERS WANTED T0 BE A SINGER CUS THEY WANT T0 GET M0NEY 0R THEY JUST WANTED THEIR FANS T0 LISTEN T0 THE SINGER'S S0NGS? HMM I D0NT KN0W... IT DEPENDS 0N WAT THE SINGER'S SAYS... HEH. BUT IF I L0VE THAT SINGER S0 MUCH, I W0ULD BUY THE ALBUM LIKE B0A...HEH... I W0ULD BUY THEIR ALBUM, EVEN LEXY... AND BABY V0X! HEHE EVEN AYUMI HAMASAKI AND UTADA HIKARU...BUT IF I WANT THE JAPANESE CDS... THEN I HAVE T0 PAY $30 PLUS TAX CUS I HAVE T0 0RDER IT FR0M JAPAN... S0 I JUS BURNED THE S0NGS...HEH CUS IT`Z L0T EASIER F0R ME HEH INSTEAD 0F SPENDING A $30 JUS CUS 0F A CD L0LS... NEWAIS I D0NT BUY AMERICAN CDS EXCEPT I B0UGHT JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE AND NIVEA... AND N0W 15... HEH... BUT STILL... I D0NT LIKE T0 BUY AMERICAN ALBUMS N0 M0RE... WAIT LET ME CLEAR THAT.. I W0NT BUY AMERICAN ALBUMS MEANING AMERICAN SINGERS LIKE JA RULE, NELLY, BRITNEY SPEARS, 0R HILARY DUFF... I W0ULD BUY K0REAN ALBUMS TH0 L0LS. ^^;; I D0NT KN0W Y IM LIKE THAT BUT I L0VE IT LIKE THAT L0LS.
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S0 I D0NT KN0W IF IT SH0ULD BE LEGAL 0R ILLEGAL... HEH...
iheartsimba
it shouldn't be legal. Becuase people have jobs making cds and if they don't seel em, theres problems.

Although...what am I to say, I download music anyway =D

and nomatter what we do, there are gonna be ways to steel it so we might as well compromise
Retrogressive
i have seen a banner similiar to that stating "if you ride alone, you ride with hitler." hahaha! well, it should be the bands desicion on wether they should hand out their music. (i mean do they hand out free cds at concerts?) it's stealing music someone worked hard for. just like stealing a book or someones blog.
LiNHy POO
well... the artists are not gonna get any money back... but yehh i wish i could download free!!! i hate buying they albulms if i only like 4 songs on it? wuts the point of my 13$ anyways? huh.gif
tkproduce
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 8 2004, 3:51 PM)

what's wrong with communism?
Blueiyzboy
There is nothing wrong with downloading music... I mean if it is such a problum noone should have invented it in the 1st place. Also Its not like the people that make the music don't get paid enough already.
ryfitaDF
heres an idea.

a band usually lets out three singles off of a newly released CD over the span of a year, right?

so what i do is download 3 songs from the band per CD.

"it's a necescesary evil" ~howard jones of killswitch engage.

the first few slipknot songs i've heard were downloaded for me. i went and bought all of their CDs.so, in my case, it helps the record industry.
iheartsimba
^yah you might be right...but can't other songs from the c.d.s be uploaded to? my firends make ful soundtracks of cds...which makes them lose money

but your right...it could be though of as advertising..
DisneyPrincessKate
There's a difference between downloading a few songs to see if you like a band and downloading all of their albums and burning them for everyone you know.
LatinaLady
i say it should be illegal,buttheni dont cuz then i wont have music... ugh. i should beillegal cuz the artist need money and also the people who helped make it. the cd-case, studio, the image, photograpgher
ryfitaDF
example #2:

matt says the band odd project is good. i don't want to buy their CD thinking i might not like it. i download appx. 3 songs. if i like it, i but the CD. if i don't, i move on.
kryogenix
downloading free music isn't a problem. it's when you pirate otherwise copyrighted music. i don't see how you can say you support your favorite band when you don't buy their cd because you "d0wNl0aD Fr0m KaZaA Y0!"
easilyxamusedx
people will just find people who have the cd and burn the whole thing.
so i think it should be legal.
MrMonkeyTaco
if its already out there..y not take advantage of it... pinch.gif
juliar
I'll take the "legal" side.
Well, someone has to buy their CD, because how did it get into P2P in the first place? And people are still buying CDs. Just in case you didn't notice, theres still a good few million dollars in album sales-per album. I'm sure the singers can do with that much.
NatiMarie
Make it legal...even without downloading, you can still get music off the radio or from a friend. It happens...so yeah. =)
kryogenix
QUOTE(easilyxamusedx @ Jun 14 2004, 8:09 AM)
people will just find people who have the cd and burn the whole thing.
so i think it should be legal.

that's like saying even though we have police, people will still murder so we should make murder legal.

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Well, someone has to buy their CD, because how did it get into P2P in the first place? And people are still buying CDs. Just in case you didn't notice, theres still a good few million dollars in album sales-per album. I'm sure the singers can do with that much.


What if it gets to the point that only one person buys the cd, then uploads it onto a P2P network?
NatiMarie
Oh well...it happens. I mean, come on...people can still get music on the radio or borrow it from somebody else.
sheddingtears
Man I used to download songs like hella, but once I learned that it was illegal, I stopped, but some people say that it is legal. Now I'm not sure whether I can or cannot. Free music downloading is beneficial in many ways. I used to download a whole CD of a band even, just because I heard one song that I really thought was good. However, not all of the songs were as good as the one I listened to. Heck, there were only 2 songs I liked! I could've wasted my money buying a crappy CD with only 2 songs I liked in it, whereas I could just download songs and delete any if they sound bad. Downloading music is beneficial, but it can offend the ones who made the music possible and want money.
JlIaTMK
It shouldnt be illegal

but on the other hand

artists take so much time to work for what they have so _unsure.gif _unsure.gif _unsure.gif _unsure.gif
shawty_redd
QUOTE(JlIaTMK @ Jun 16 2004, 8:13 PM)
It shouldnt be illegal

but on the other hand

artists take so much time to work for what they have so _unsure.gif _unsure.gif _unsure.gif _unsure.gif

i agree.. im kinda in the middle _unsure.gif
xoirene
sharing music through kazaa or morpheus isn't piracy because 1.) it's like sharing CDs with ur friends, which is not illegal, and 2.) No one is making money out of it.

If the recording companies want people to buy their cds then they should lower their prices. 15 bucks for a CD with just a few likable songs is ridiculous.
juliar
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What if it gets to the point that only one person buys the cd, then uploads it onto a P2P network?

Not everyone has access to a P2P network.
ryfitaDF
the artists get most of their money from touring. you're really hurting the record labels when you "pirate" mp3s.

do you know how much money van gough got for his art? i'm pretty sure he got none. if you're in it for the money you're not really an "artist" in my opinion.
kryogenix
QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 19 2004, 1:08 PM)
the artists get most of their money from touring. you're really hurting the record labels when you "pirate" mp3s.

do you know how much money van gough got for his art? i'm pretty sure he got none. if you're in it for the money you're not really an "artist" in my opinion.

ok, it doesn't matter if the money is going to the artist or the label, someone is still losing money.

even if the artists aren't doing it for the money, that money could go to charity.


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Not everyone has access to a P2P network.


yeah, and those people will be force to buy cd's or listen to the radio.
poisonedxivy
hmm i don't think it should be legal but i don't think that the issue should have as much importance as it does now. laws have bigger fish to fry and better things to protect. i guess downloading music can be interpreted as wrong ... sure. but that doesn't really stop me. whether or not someone downloads music off the internet the people that are really making the money get it through different means. this is just a small chunk of the revenue for them. most people go out and buy it anyway. the fact of the matter is, i don't think a lot of artists really mine. the assumption that people will go out and buy the cd just because they can't download it is wrong. i for one would just stick w. the radio and hope the song i want to hear comes on. *shrugs*. sure they may publicaly announce that they think its wrong ... i mean what artist is gonna say that they endorse people getting music through illegal downloading? get real! so i don't really think that it should be a problem. fine keep the law if you really must. but just let it slide. happy.gif
Lena
QUOTE(xoirene @ Jun 18 2004, 5:33 PM)
If the recording companies want people to buy their cds then they should lower their prices. 15 bucks for a CD with just a few likable songs is ridiculous.

No one asked you to buy the cd. rolleyes.gif You could like just buy an mp3 on itunes or something like that.

why should you get to download free music? It leads to piracy...the quality sucks...and the fact of the matter is that the songs are copywrited. I for one am happy that they cracked down the the napster case. They should freaking shut down kaaza while they are at it. Well this is totally off...but a similar jist from the AA shopping forum..."Ralph Lauren need to feed his family tooo!" happy.gif basically by downloading...you're stealing. personally i agree that cd prices are a bit outrageous from time to time...but deal with it...just be happy that its not like gasoline!

ryfitaDF...van gogh is a pretty bad example...since he didn't sell anyway art when he was alive. it was not until he kicked the bucket that his art actually became famous.
juliar
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yeah, and those people will be force to buy cd's or listen to the radio.

If they like the band/artist or whatever, theyll probably buy the CD or the people at the radio stattion [i think] will buy the record to play. I'm not sure about the latter, but they still get their money.
ryfitaDF
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If the recording companies want people to buy their cds then they should lower their prices. 15 bucks for a CD with just a few likable songs is ridiculous.


tru dat. people wouldn't want to steal so much if they didn't feel like they were getting ripped off.

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ryfitaDF...van gogh is a pretty bad example...since he didn't sell anyway art when he was alive. it was not until he kicked the bucket that his art actually became famous.


yea i guess you're right. but what i meant is why does money have to be such a big deal? if people are downloading your music they must like you. they're going against the law to hear you! and, also, free music gets it out to more people. at every show i've gone to they've passes out sampler CDs, and now there are even sampler mp3s to download. i like this concept. i know stealing is bad, but downloading mp3s is not all bad.
pimpin231
i do
bigpoppaproppy
i always have, and always will download movies and music
Mourn4u
i think it should be illegal b/c we are stealing the artust music but the cost of cds need to lowered
rnrn897
ok its wrong -- and it should be enforced more strongly..
yea like som1 already sed.. there needs to be a compromise
maaybe the price of cds will be lowered to real cheap :] then this downloading music thing wouldnt be alive - no nvm, it would stillk be.. :L:SIGH:: i dunno ><;
sweetxsimplicity
It's illegal because the music people download are copyrighted songs.

I don't think it should be legal, and its not, because then CD stores wouldn't make any money..

Umm...thoughts? I don't really have any thoughts. lol xD
EmeraldKnight
For the most part, yes..

But if its a realli old song that you can't find for sale anymore, then what other way can you get it?
megumint
i think it should be legall.. just because i'm afriad of being arrested and sued.

yup..

i think that money shouldn't matter, and everything should just be free. then people wouldn't want to steal stuff because they have access to it anyway. but some people would take advantage of it..

eh... that's my dream. then i can go to a store and grab all these cds bwahhahaha

and an ipod mini in pink... *drool* dribble.gif

yup.
EmeraldKnight
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i think it should be legall.. just because i'm afriad of being arrested and sued.

yup..

i think that money shouldn't matter, and everything should just be free. then people wouldn't want to steal stuff because they have access to it anyway. but some people would take advantage of it..

eh... that's my dream. then i can go to a store and grab all these cds bwahhahaha

and an ipod mini in pink... *drool* 

Erm... its not a very realistic society.. wouldnt work well either.. if everything was free..
Dopo
I have the right to share my own files.
ryan_73
kinda like robin hood. steal from the rich and give to the poor.
Sumiaki
QUOTE(Dopo @ Jul 9 2004, 11:29 PM)
I have the right to share my own files.

I agree!
Caustic
QUOTE(xoirene @ Jun 18 2004, 5:33 PM)
sharing music through kazaa or morpheus isn't piracy because 1.) it's like sharing CDs with ur friends, which is not illegal, and 2.) No one is making money out of it.

If the recording companies want people to buy their cds then they should lower their prices. 15 bucks for a CD with just a few likable songs is ridiculous.

Yeah no ones making money out of it, INCLUDING the artist. Filesharing/Free music downloading is illegal and should stay illegal. If you want free music go to Norway. And if you dont want to pay $15 a cd, dowload iTunes and get the whole album for 99 cents a song, thats what I do. And technically sharing cd's with you friends is illegal if you copy the cd or put it on their computer.

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And for the people of you who think the artists make millions of dollars on albums, the truth is they only make 10-20 thousand dollars after all the expenses (studio time, cd production, etc.)
kryogenix
QUOTE(Dopo @ Jul 9 2004, 11:29 PM)
I have the right to share my own files.

Not when you don't have the license to do so. The songs are intellectual property. You're giving away someone else's property. How is that not wrong?
CrackedRearView
I don't download any music I don't have the CD of the artist for.

But see I have over 500 CD's I can download quite a bit of my favorite music.

But DVD's is another story...
islandkiss
if it was legal, well, for the society.. hell yeah! that would be great..

but then again.. the artists wouldn't be getting money..for their copyrighted work.
visualfusion
QUOTE(xoirene @ Jun 18 2004, 2:33 PM)
sharing music through kazaa or morpheus isn't piracy because 1.) it's like sharing CDs with ur friends, which is not illegal, and 2.) No one is making money out of it.

1.) Not all people on P2P networks are friends, and if you are allowing people to download your files, you are allowing everyone to download it, and unless you know a 600,000+ users on the network, they're not all friends.
2.) Some people WILL download the files and sell it. Not saying all, but some will.


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If the recording companies want people to buy their cds then they should lower their prices. 15 bucks for a CD with just a few likable songs is ridiculous.

Yes, I totally agree. I mean... CD-R cd's now are about $.90 [+-] and it only takes about 1 minute to make each CD, and even if you do add the "labor" needed to make it, it still can NOT be $15 in any way!
tootsie_kiddo
QUOTE(iheartsimba @ Jun 9 2004, 2:35 AM)
it shouldn't be legal. Becuase people have jobs making cds and if they don't seel em, theres problems.

Although...what am I to say, I download music anyway =D

and nomatter what we do, there are gonna be ways to steel it so we might as well compromise

yea, i feel da same
HiddenFaerie
I guess the artists are upset for the loss of profits. But I can't really talk since I'll download anyways. It'll all started with a little program called Napster blink.gif and I was hooked.

Besides most albums only have like three songs that are worth listening to.
redsoxbaby87
i think pepole should pay $.99 per song that way they pay and they dont have to buy to the whole cd.
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