Is abortion right?

It depends on how you're brought up. Everyone's different. Obviously, if you've grown up in a family full of women who get abortions left and right, you're going to think it's normal. On the other hand, if you see it as downright murder, you're going to think it's appalling to society.

Please refer to this thread.

Actually, I think this should stay open because it's a differnt aspect of abortion. What I got from reading this is questionning its morality, whereas the other thread questions whether it should be outlawed or not...if it isn't then, sorry, and I'll close it again.

Hm, but the other thread also asks about what we think of abortion, so wouldn't it be considered the same thing? I don't know.

Hmm...I wish the person who started this thread would clarify.

Yeah; where are you GothpunkGClover!?

Classify abortion as a sufficient reason in accordance with Leibniz's Philosophical Optimism and moral discourse.

I don't think it is right for many reasons.

State them?
Heh...this one isnt as open and it was created after the topic on abortion below was...

lol sorry sorry, Yeah it is different. I am a unique guy. I usually post up unique things.

i dont think its right because why should someone who hasnt been able to live life yet die?? yeah i understand that there are certain situations where ppl think its a MUST..for instance maybe the girl is too young or maybe she got raped and doesnt want the baby..but why cant she put it up for adoption so a familee who wants a child who can no longer have children can have one ((sorrie if that was confusing)) i was a baby who was supposed to be aborted..but luckily my birth mother changed her mind last minute..i was then adopted by a familee who i love so very much and i wouldnt ask for any other..its possible that i wouldnt be herre this very day because of abortion..its not right and it never will be..

its murder, just like murder someone older. it's murder. you make the choice to have sex.

WELL HAVING AN AB0RTI0N IS LIKE KILLING UR 0WN CHILD... AND THAT`Z N0T G00D. I W0ULD PREFER THEM T0 JUS PUT THEM IN A F0STER H0USE F0R A BETTER PLACE. MAN KILLING A BABY IS SUCHA N0T A G00D THING. I REALLIE HATE WHEN TEENAGERS D0 AN AB0RTI0N. CUS THEY D0NT LIKE WHEN THEY G0T RAPED BY A STRANGER S0 THEY KILL A BABY BY D0ING AN AB0RTI0N? S0 I THINK THAT SH0ULD BE ILLEGAL!!! I MEAN I BET ALL BABIES WANTED T0 HAVE A LIFE LIKE US AND N0T DIE S0 FAST... I MEAN D0NT U FEEL S0RRY F0R THE BABY? G0SH IF U GUYS D0NT, THAT`Z JUS SAD... MEANS THAT U HAVE N0 FEELINGS L0LS IM JK NEWAIS S0 YEAH I THINK IT SH0ULD BE ILLEGAL. REAAALLIIEE ILLEGAL!!
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depends on the circumstances.

honestly i don't think its right either way.

if you could stand the pain getting pregnant, i don't think there is any reason why you shouldn't have the baby. in my opinion its like murder. i think adoption is okay, but i just find abortion very wrong.

now if you were a 11 year old who got raped and pregnant or something i could see hwere it was coming from.

but i just don't think abortion would be..right. its murder

i don't think it's wrong. before it even becomes a new life and one feels they aren't ready for the huge financial burden and responsibility of a possible new child they should be wise enough not to have it. it isn't fair for a child to be brought into the world if you can't give him/her the best possible chance at a good life. it's selfish to keep a child you're not ready for so that they may suffer. abortion is fair if you're not ready for a baby. i don't agree with the people that don't think of the consequences of having unprotected sex though. they run the risk of not only getting pregnant when they know they aren't ready but also a lot of std's. if you're going to have an abortion let it be for a plausible reason. not because you were not being careful but because it was an accident or you weren't ready for it.

not true..there are many circumstances where girls get raped and thats not their choice and apparently they couldnt prevent it..i still think abortion is wrong..but a lot of ppl dont choose to have sex. They could be raped by a complete stranger or somebody in their familee as well..

How would you determine that, though? Furthermore, there is always adoption. From what the media makes it to be, it seems horrible, but look at how many adopted people turned out great. Just look to Hollywood, and you'll see so many that came from adoption agencies and whatnot. I mean, if anything, they'd be better off in an orphanage if you think about it. They need to learn how to survive on their own long before many of us. They're better prepared for when they turn eighteen opposed to many of us.

i think its wrong... you're killing sumthing becuz of your mistakes.. the baby shouldnt suffer cuz of wut you did..

Morally speaking, abortion is wrong. But when you take into consideration of other contexts such as rape or sickness, abortion sometimes is the only way out.

if the girl gets raped and she doesnt want the baby she could easily put the child up for adoption..abortion is never the "only way out"..there is ALWAYS an alternative..

There's not always an alternative, but there's ALWAYS an exception.

Say, the woman was happily married with two children (girls). And one day an evil man busted into her home, slaughering her huband, raped her two girls and the proceeded to chop them up while making her watch. The bastard then rapes her and flee as he heard incoming sirens.

Now she's pregnant with his kid.

Say that woman's you.

Are you telling me that you'll keep the child inside you for 9 or so months?

If you are, more power to you, because remember that I, too, believe that abortion is immoral. However, step in the woman's shoes for a moment and live in her mentality. Do you think she would be able to keep the child? Even if it's innocent?

Now to make it a little more complicated, she also contracted AIDS from the man, and that means that the growing fetus is also infected.

It's SOOO easy for everyone of us here to say "oh, it's wrong no matter what", but you're not the one having to make this hard decision. The woman knows that it's wrong, too, but she can't deal with it. Can you blame her?

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww sick story

c if u get raped thou ur supposed to go immediatly to get cleaned out, n when they clean u out...hopefully, if ur egg was fertalized its out now...so u dunno that u wuld have been pregnant and its 2 save ur life b/c who knows what the raper has

Say then, that he was so sadistic that he raped her several times (and it's several days now). It's too late to get any sort of day-after pill/'cleaned out".

Anyway, what if you have aids and this child will have aids for sure?

There's no way to tell what the woman will do, but I, sure as hell, am not going to point fingers at her saying "YOU MURDERER!". None of us has a right to choose for other people, no matter how irresponsible they may seem.

Why didn't she go to the police? She can stop that if she does.

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It might be too late by the time he's through with her.

my opinion on this is:
you knew what you were getting into when you are having sex. You knew the consequences and if you weren't ready for that then don't do it.

i think it is wrong. once you found out you were pregnant, the baby is already growing inside. which means it's already living. just not the way you are. it's killing a human baby. it's wrong.

the only exception is if you get raped. that's the only reason for having an abortion.

Thank you for saying that. There is the exception of rape.

i sort of swing both ways.
but if i had to chose one,i'm for abortion.
it's your life, your choice, your baby.
and.
-There are rapists out there and there are good reasons why people have abortions, not like the infamous reason because you made a mistake.
-Everyone deserves to make their own decisions.
-Some fetuses aren't conscious yet.
-Perhaps you saving it from having a bad life? (if you couldn't support it, feed it, etc.)
-Yes, there's always adoption.
-It's not really right for somebody else to dictate what we want to do with our lives.
A-nd, there's always those people who are so desperate to not have a baby that they'll have an illegal abortion and might die anyways.

just random thoughts.

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it depends on the person. it's that women's choice to weather they want an abortion or they don’t. I don’t think their right should be taken away. well this is just my opinon.

I believe abortion is wrong, because it comes back to what did the child do wrong that you would have to abort them. In cases of rape, I still don't believe the child should suffer for a STUPID/POWER HUNGRY(sorry hate rapist) man.

I am soo adament about not having abortion but there is only one case that i would even think about it. If my child was under12 and was molested and became pregnant, i don't want my child to suffer the pregnancy but i also wouldn't want the baby to suffere either.

A cause, by definition, is something that leads invariably to an effect. Since rapes do not invariably lead to pregnancy (in fact, it is very rare for them to do so), it is accurate to say that the baby, not the man, is the CAUSE of the woman's burden.

Yes but the baby in question wouldn't be if the man did not rape him. If you were to take out him raping her you would also cancel the baby. So i say that the man si the cause of the hurt/burden

That's a misuse of language. The man is a force acting on a particular cause in one situation, but the ultimate cause is the baby itself.

No, the baby is not the cause, the baby is factor in the cause but not it. Like i said before there wouldn't have been a baby if the man did not rape her

I feel you, because the child is innocent.

But in the raped woman's case (with aids), I wouldn't call her names or point an accusing finger at her should she decides to abort the baby. Even though it's wrong, she still has her rights as a woman because it's true that it's her body that the child's using to grow.

Yeah I wouldn't either because in rape cases it is so hard, I mean everything about rape cases especially the unseen immediate consequences like having a child.

If i was in the situation of the women with AIDs, abortion wouldn't even be a choice because i odn't think that if i survived the incident that i would even still be a live. I hate suicide(to me it is selfish) but in a case like that i would have to be selfish.

The man might have caused teh baby, but the baby itself caused the problems. The proximate cause of the woman's problems is the baby.

It is not lingustically correct to say that someone was killed with a gun. That person was killed with a bullet from the gun.

Having the baby then ridding it in an orphan home is also selfish, or at least the child will grow up to think so. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation; either way the woman will be selfish. So why not give her the choice to choose her poison?

agree, agree, agree.
Why would you want to kill someone who has not yet lived? Why not give him/her a second chance as a loved, adopted child? It could happen!

Why is it bad to be selfish?

Democracy, at least the way we know it in America, is based on selfishness. Our Constitution assumes people will be selfish... that's why the checks and balances system works. Because the Courts will be selfish enough to check the powers of the President and Congress, and ditto for the President and Congress.

Our capitalist economy is also based on selfishness. Businesses produce and sell NOT to serve the common good, but to make money. Simple as that. This way, they all DO promote the common good through selfish competition that forces them to undercut prices and raise new innovations to help everyone. In Soviet Russia, they taught people it was wrong to be selfish and that they should always serve the greater good, and look where the Commies ended up.

Being selfish is a perfectly good thing. It's actually hurting other people (i.e. unreasonable selfishness: stealing, killing, etc) that makes it bad.

not all babies put up for adoption go to an orphanage...and if they do...they dunt know ne differantly

What make you say that? I'm sure there are orphans who resent their parents for leaving them. They may not know much when they're young, but they'll wonder why they're different from other kids, plus they'll know sooner or later.

It's a sad world out there, we must take into consideration of the human conditon.

no..rape is not an acception..i've been in that exact spot before..i was raped and got pregnant and yess i carried that child for 9 months and put it up for adoption..so you cant tell me that rape is an exception for abortion and you cant tell me to "put myself in her shoes" I WAS IN HER SHOES!! no..i didnt get aids..and no my baby didnt get aids..but other than that..i was there..in the flesh! and even if myself and the child got aids i would STILL carry that baby for 9 months and either keep it or put it up for adoption..

So you did that. Why should you force others to do that too?

Haven't you read a thing I said?

I clearly said that it would be a hard decision for the woman as well, and that I would not blame her if she does abort the baby.

Each and every woman is different, you must at least grasp that truth before I go on.

You may deal with trauma one way, another woman will deal with it another way. If everyone was as "strong" as you were going through that horror, then there would be no suicides, and I wouldn't even bother to have this arguement with anyone.

I only approve of abortions when people are in desperate need of it, not because it is a convenience.

I meant as in after the first day, why didn't she go to the police?

i never said that i was going to force anyone to do that..it is their choice..everyone has their own opinion..my opinion is that abortion is wrong and under no circumstances should it happen..thats all im trying to say..but it is my opinion so if anyone thinks differently..then they have the right to think it and say what they feel..but i have the right to think and say what i feel as well..

It's bad to be too selfish. When I say this, I mean dealing with human life. Being too selfish will slow down progress.

No, progress is the result of people being selfish. People invent stuff to satisfy their own natural curiosity OR to make a profit. Both selfish motives.