I was just given another 10% warning level bringing my total to 20%. My crime was bashing IShotJFK. Yet I've been bashing other members for a while and it's only become a problem now. I guess the rule should be changed to "No Bashing CB Staff, Everyone else is fair game."
If it is okay to bash one member, why is it not okay to bash another? It's not like you don't see me bashing others, it's just a problem when it's you at the receiving end.

The staff does its best to be as fair as possible, and member bashing James warranted a raised warning level. It is never okay to member bash any sort of member; whether be staff or member, per Community Guidelines

Now, as far as your other member bashing goes, please PM me or another mod with specific examples of such behavior in which you feel that you uh, should've received punishment.

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I guess that's enough evidence. I'll have some more later on if you need it.

I dont know about the situation. How far did you pass the boundary? I'm not against you. There are reasons for moderator in actions.

Out of everything I've posted here, the offense they cite me for is this remark made after IShotJFK criticized someone for writing long sentences and not using paragraphs.

I called him a "Jagoff." That's it. Here's what he put.

Again, airing everybody's dirty laundery.

I don't know... I get the feeling that James monitors our posts a little bit closer than that of the average member, but lately he's been good to me... I wonder why the "jagoff" post bothered him so much... haha... *giggle*

Yeah either you're all victims of internet prosecution (yet this thread includes a claim for being babysitted), or else insulting a staff member right in the face and pretend to walk away unharmed is as retarded as it turned out to be.

I don't see any of you guys trying to make an effort to receive any positive feedback, nor do you seem to be interested in maintaining a moderately decent enviorment with other members at all, so all of this whining is lacking base if you think about it.

I think (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the issue that Jeremy is bringing up is that he should have had a raised warn level long ago instead of it just happening because a Staff member was insulted.

To the extent that he should have been warned a while ago, he's correct. I think that the fact that he was warned because of insulting/bashing a Staff member is coincidental.

And yes, we DO try to be objective when it comes to warning individuals. It isn't the most pleasant aspect of being a staff member.

PS - No, James doesn't monitor your posts more than anyone elses. You just happened to be in a thread he was active in.

He did insult a staff member right in the face, but he didn't pretend to walk away (he kept right on posting). Shouldn't that staff members maintain the same standard for all other members on the site including themselves? Of all the offensive things said on that thread, the only thing he disciplined Jeremy for was when he got called a "jagoff". Of all the things said in that thread that had to be one of the least offensive.

About the positive feedback:
I'm never sure if your serious or not, but have you even seen our club thread. The entire thing is about community participation and contribution. If anything, you're post is lacking a "base".



I'll agree with most of that, I think that Jeremy thought that it wouldn't be a problem if he called James a "jagoff" because: James is a staff member, if James wasn't disciplining anyone for anything else offensive in the thread why should James discipline him now?

I'm not so sure it was coincidental though, like you said, "You just happened to be in a thread he was active in." He was active in this thread, and he did give out a warning as soon as he was the one receiving the short end of the stick.

Well. to be honest i HAVE noticed along with numerous other people that its uaualy james thats the one to jump in on josh or jeremy.

I was beginning to notice this back from *sigh-i hate bringing this up again* the Unholy Trinty thread started. and when he was the one to move it.

or maybe it is what rebecca said and james happened to be active in those same threads :shrugs:

I see the complaining, although I don't see any constructive effort being done behind it. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think none of the people complaining about staff behaviour in this topic has used the report option to denounce any of the violations mentioned in here as well. As far as this discussion goes, the positive contribution to the site is null.

Furthermore, shall we recall past incidents were yourself have directed insults against a staff member out of the blue, only to go back and edit your posts when another CB staff member called you on it? We can even observe how the "no bashing rule" seems to disappear whenevr it is convenient. What with one of your guild members making jokes about "cry-o-genics" in a recent lounge topic, too .

Actions and preaching going together would really help your cause right now, otherwise you can quit trying to convince me about whatever purpose you claim your group has.

I kind of agree with Jeremy, I think when it comes to a staff member starting to get bashed then it starts with the warning levels. But until then you guys are pretty lenient on that rule. I mean for example, Seon Ho, I really like him and all but you guys let him get away with way to much and honestly I think he was pulling your legs and waiting for you to warn him already yet you let him roam around cB for a while before doing so. Even if you talked to him about it he had already had a verbal warning and it was ready for the warning.

I think that really sparked Jeremy was the fact that when he bashes other people nothing happens but of course when he says one bad thing about James, James can't take it and he warns him on the spot.

Well, it is a complaint... this is the feedback section and it's used for ideas, complaints, and praise. Nothing wrong with what he has said.

These posts aren't "out-of-the-blue" believe me. This is your perception and not fact. I can see were you would get that idea, but it is far from the truth.

The "no bashing rule" never disappears, we know full well what we are doing and are prepared to accept the consequences each and every time as long as proper procedures are executed in giving us those punishments.

*sigh* What our guild members do outside of the missions is their business. We cannot control the members any more than staff can control members who post on different websites. We only encourage our members to contribute to the community. You should go look at our thread and read it.

I don't need to convince you, and this has nothing to do with our group.

ex-friggin-actly. I can think of all the people I've made fun of yet it's when I mock the people who are supposed to stop this that it becomes a problem. As far as saying that we don't suppport the site, me, josh, and Jake collectively have made little scores of people join the site who had never even heard of CB before. In the big picture that doesn't really matter, yet when you think of the people they tell and the people those people tell, it supports the site in a huge way. Just because we don't kiss the asses of the mods doesn't mean we don't support the site. We Pay it Forward. So go screw yourself dickweed.

^Eh, I know what you mean completely Jeremy but the whole name calling thing probably would look better if it stopped. I think your smart enough to write the truth without rude comments to others.


Also, everyone. I really don't think you should bring in the Unholy Trinity into this, because this has nothing to do with it. Yes he may be a member of the club but it doesn't mean that every topic he posts has to be for the club. He's simply stating his own opinion. So bringing up the club, is getting a little off topic from what I can tell.

haha. I know what you mean. I'll try to cut down but it is honestly fun.

As I said earlier, it's a complaint without a basis.

I like how a topic that apparently doesn't affect the UT was swarmed with said group members before I posted, and keeps being the same way after my post. If you guys don't want to be grouped as a single entity don't act as one, and of course, don't complain about it later nor get your shit flipped so easily .



You don't support the site in a constructive manner, and as much as you like to say otherwise having you continuously acting like a jerk to people whom have done nothing to deserve such treatment, "so go screw yourself dickweed" comments included, defeats the purpose of your preaching.

We can go into specific details if needed; however it's pretty much clear that you are the last person on this site to complain about being treated unjustly when you have yet to apply the same rule to others. But rather, you keep adding one angsty rant after another to the list of motives against your original claim.

I'll repeat it. There's no reason behind your complaining, so you could honestly drop it instead of acting all brat-like when being called on it. Up to you to prove my point right or else to do something constructive once for all.

As I've stated many times, I did not join the site to be "constructive." I joined for the single purpose of being a dick. That may not sit well with you and you might not understand what the point is. Well, let me just give you a quick history in terms of my involvement on this site.

Josh comes in to work one day saying how he was given a three day mod-preview for something I look back on as ridiculously miniscule(I believe it was for being sarcastic). He continues to talk about it a few more times as the day progresses. He has no life(j/k).

We hang out afterwards with our friend Jake. They both think it would be a good, funny idea for me to join the site because they know the way I write, they know the way I talk, and they know my thinking process. I join and within the first two days am put on mod preview for two weeks.

Since then I've been posting in various threads, co-created the Unholy Trinity, and have put my voice out there with welcome criticism. "Criticism" being the main word. Not bitching and complaining. Criticism helps me grow as a writer. It is not criticism when people decide to throw in the power card over something that only affects them and fail to lift a finger when others fall under the same treatment.

As far as the Unholy Trinity uniting here, so what? We actually made it a point to elect the people we saw agreed with our logic and posted in the same threads we did. If they decide to post elsewhere without us knowing about it, that's their buisness.

Well, I think that's all I have to say(no name calling occured Holly).

Oh honestly, DO try not to be silly about this. Had I seen any of the posts you pointed out, I would have acted on them, had they been from you, or any other member. However, the post that I warned you for was the third time i had had cause to speak to you about breaking rules in two or three days. A warning was perfecty appropriate.

That was the first time I have warned any member that I can think of, so I'm not entirely sure why it is that you feel victimized by me. Although I would point out that if you don't want me or any other mod coming down on you, STOP BREAKING THE RULES. Simple. As. That.

Oh, and given that you complained about me airing your dirty laundry, I would like to observe that making a thread essentially to complain about the situation for all to see wa sperhaps not the best way to rectify that issue.

Oh, and on a side note, Holly, I actually agree with you about Seon Ho, but the situation with him is actually being discussed at the moment as to what is the best way to deal with that particular issue. He hasn't been tackled just yet, but action is pending, so don't worry about that.

That's exactly why I posted this in the FEEDBACK forum. Honestly I didn't really care that you aired my buisness but you did the same to Josh and I didn't think it appropriate or necessary for others to know his buisness.
If you try to quote the whole thing about Josh airing the warning levels, that's his decision and in no way did he post the part where he's had conversations with other mods and administrators.
But none of this actually has anything to do with the Club we created, which you currently are not a part of. If you would like to join, please PM Josh, Jake, or Myself(I believe there are a few others you can PM, I'm not sure).

I'm not worried about it, but I think if someone offends you James I think you should let someone else deal with it.


When ever any of the staff has been bashed someone else usually deals with it because this exact thing ends up happening.

Like in that Tell The Truth topic, maybe you should just start ignoring then and let them say what they want, because it really does look like you go out and read their posts when ever you find them just so maybe, just maybe you can get them in more trouble. The whole topic more than likely should have been closed from what I can see, you guys know for a fact that it would have ended up with someone saying something wrong about something, and then they get all offended.


Come on guys just follow the rules if someone does something wrong once, you verbally warn them. They do it again you go ahead and warn them because apparently they know what their doing. Then after they've been warned and they do the same thing again that they got warned for in the first place, my god go ahead and put them on mod preview.

It solves a lot more drama by just following the rules instead of letting them roam about on createblog and continue doing all those things again and not get punished for them at all.

That's all hes trying to really point out, and its true that a lot of you guys do exactly what is in bold.

I don't actually know what you're talking about, but that's fine.

Holly, if someone member bashes, and see it, i will warn them. If they are bashing me, or whoever. I've been warned in the past by Rebecca, for bashing Rebecca. That was her job, and is my job. I got over it. If people don't want to be warned by me, then they shouldn't break the rules. End. Of.

And frankly, I could care less what people think regarding my atitude to Jeremy, Josh, or whoever, because any sort of personal attitude towards them on my part went away a long time ago. Because it wasn't entertaining or productive to any party. If they still think it exists, then I suggest that you advise them to move on, because any perpetuation is entirely one-sided. I will also point out that I didn't seek out the post that Jeremy made for which he was put on mod preview, it was brought to my attention by a third party. Not that it is relevant.

The fact is, yes, I've warned them more than I have anyone else. Because (other than Seon Ho, which is something I've addressed already) they have broken the rules more than anyone else I have seen. If people think that warning the people who break the rules equates to some sort of bias, then whatever. That, frankly, is self-pitying delusion, and is no basis for complaint.

fuck you.
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I can't stop you but please refrain from saying such things.

You said in this topic:

As far as saying that we don't suppport the site, me, josh, and Jake collectively have made little scores of people join the site who had never even heard of CB before. In the big picture that doesn't really matter, yet when you think of the people they tell and the people those people tell, it supports the site in a huge way.

Either you contribute to the site or are another run of the mill internet jerk. You can't do both things since they quite mutually exclusive (unless you join SA or 4chan ), so as far as this thread goes it's still totally pointless in its very escence.

You pick.

^why not the truth?

Truth is relative.

I've always thought it was some biased thing just because Seon Ho knows the creator. I know quite a few people that have thought this too.


Supposedly their in the middle of making a "decision" on Seon Ho stuff from what James said, or atleast what I got from his post in here.



I think the whole "action" thats supposed to happen is taking a while.

For the record, Seon Ho's warning was raised and he was on mod preview after I saw that.

Of course mod preview only is so long and once hes off hes right back at his sly comments again..

As Seon Ho has stated, he was been punished in every way in the staff's power. That hasn't stopped him. Thus, the discussion.

Honestly? We're doing all we can to deal with the issue promptly every time, and if I see it happening I don't let it pass by unnoticed. When I saw his post tonight (one of the ones quoted by Suzzette, I was directed to the page by another member) I immediately put him on mod preview. It's not that nothing IS being done, but if he's getting away with it between punishments, he shouldn't be. If he continues the negative posting during mod preview, his punishment will be extended.

You really don't understand what this topic is about... you should just leave. In my opinion or personality is ridiculously dry, and everything you have said hasn't contributed to the post.

The only thing you keep bringing up is the "opinion" that this has to do with the UT. Which it obviously does not. Yes, Jake, Jeremy, and I do post in this topic. Yes, we are in the same team, but everything done in this thread and all other threads (outside our team thread and missions posted by me alone) have nothing to do with the UT.

We aren't the only ones posting in here. What about members like "brownsugar"? I think she brings up a great point. It's also very similar to the situation Jeremy faces. Please Kurd Jam, take your "know-it-all" comments and observations and flush em' down un bañó.



I completely agree with this.



He shouldn't be, but he does... Hahahahahhaha, it's so pathetic. I had a conversation with Mona a while back. She pretty much told me that there was nothing they could do about Krnxswat, and that they just kept disciplining him. He pretends to be a good boy while on mod preview, and as soon as the punishments up he goes back to doing what he does best. She said that staff didn't know what to do about it, and that were having discussions on how to discipline his behavior.

I also brought up the fact that he has been ip banned. She said that she didn't know how he got off of the IP ban. You know what's really funny is that he flaunts the IP ban like its a medal. Look at this post:



Haha, I think it's funny that staff really can't do anything about anyone who wants to blatantly disobey them. I don't think that they realize this.

How to get away with being disobedient 101:

• Stage 1: Get to know the staff. Pretend like you respect them, and make them like you. Bash people until you cross the line and when they give you a verbal warning be nice and say you'll stop. If you want to make this last a long time, bash people a little bit and once every two weeks do something worthy of a verbal warning. Keep doing this until it gets old and they raise your warning level.
• Stage 2: Congrats, you have reached stage two. Staff still likes you. Don't worry, you can keep repeating the steps found in Stage 1 until you receive a mod preview. Just make sure you stay "buddy-buddy" with staff.
• Stage 3: Congrats, you have reached stage 2, and you are on mod preview. Remember, while on mod preview you have to be good. For some reason, staff still likes you. They are sad that you are bad, and treat you like a teacher treats that smart kid in highschool that doesn't do his homework but gets high 90's on all their exams (You know what I'm talking about). They like you, but they only wish that you could be good. *sigh* You just aren't motivated. Keep repeating the steps found in stages one through three until staff hates you and give you an IP ban.
• Stage 4: Wow, it should take you about a year to reach this point. That's some real effort, and upon being banned. I'm sure you made lots of friends with your colorful personality. People have probably made threads supporting your return because the site has become "boring". It's ok, you haven't run out of guns yet. All you have to do is call up your local ISP (Internet Service Provider) and request a scope change on your DHCP. DHCP scopes are the range of IP address's that your ISP gives you for use when you pay their monthly dues. Generally your ISP will give you a range of about three address's. Wait a week before you make any posts, and when you do start making posts just act like nothing happened. When staff inquires about your return just tell them you are sorry and that you will be good. Act good and play them for fools for about a week, and then just go right back to stages 1-4 until they unregister your user name, and ban anyone from using it.
• Stage 5: Wow, you are amazing, but to get your user name back you are going to have to use some skills in a programming language I would like to call "java-tastic". Now, I'm not to good at this, but a friend of mine is plenty good. Alright, with any site that uses login user names and passwords there is a split second where access to the websites user database is totally open. The hard part is finding that exact moment.
  
  All you have to do is find the IP address of the server. Then create a java-tastic program that consistently probes that server as the administrator until someone logs on. At the split second a person is logging on, a port is open and server is searching for that users account so that they can have access to features on the website. The program forces you in through that open port giving you access to the server... do whatever you want from there... xD
  
  Anyways, if you don't have all the java-tastic skills you can always call your ISP and change your IP scope and create a new username. Knowing Ju-sun also works.

I'm going to post this in the lounge... xD Does reading that make you angry?

I'm not exactly sure why Seon Ho is getting away with what he's doing by people treating him like a little kid saying, "Oh, be nice Seon Ho!". It's not cute. I agree that these situations are not being handled correctly.

As for the original topic at hand, James probably just reacted to his because, well, it's him. Any person would do the same. Bashing is a lot more noticeable when it's against you. But, the better idea, instead of trying as hard as you can to prove that mods are biased, how about we just not bash?

Seon Ho is on Mod Preview.

At the end of the day, if you don't break the rules, you don't get punished, so, as Sammi suggested, why don't we work on that for a little while, instead of worrying about othe rmembers?

It's funny that you are talking about Seon Ho bragging about his IP ban. I do believe you "brag" about all the punishments and havoc you've caused on this site, you think it's funny, as do many of your friends. (And I don't want to seem like I have a bias against you OR the UT, it just works out in this example. ) There are a few more similarities between you and him, but that is not the issue here. Also, we as staff do realize that we can't really do a lot about Seon Ho and we are discussing this backstage, so don't think that we are oblivious to his posts. Honestly, once he gets bored and people stop reacting to his posts so much, I think he will leave again. That being said, as staff, we aren't going to ignore him and are trying to find ways to get him to stay in line, we aren't just sitting there blindly ignoring his posts and looking for others to warn.


As for your list, reading it does not make me angry. It actually makes me laugh. Seon Ho has been a member for FAR longer than you and, from what I remember, has always had a sarcastic semi-bashing personality. You learn to just ignore him or laugh at the fact that people actually offended over something that a person they will likely never meet said to them on an internet forum.

OMG, this is exactly what we're talking about it. WHY ARE WE TREATED DIFFERENTLY! Why can't YOU learn to ignore us and laugh at the fact that people are offended over some something that a person they will likely never meet said to them on an internet forum.

"There are a few more similarities between you and him, but that is not the issue here.", yes it is an issue. I have nothing against seon ho anymore, but you clearly treat us differently and see us in a different light even though we are doing the same exact things.



I agree, like I said, "They're sad that you're bad, and treat you like a teacher treats that smart kid in highschool that doesn't do his homework but gets high 90's on all their exams (You know what I'm talking about). They like you, but they only wish that you could be good. *sigh* You just aren't motivated."

Any person would do the same.
No, James doesn't. Either that or he completely denies it.



If that's the case you're saying it to James, and I want to thank you.

So far, all I am seeing is people whining about moderators not doing anything about the same people breaking the rules; which as I am tired of repeating, is pretty pointless since all that needs to be done to practically solve this problem is to not act in disagreement with this site's terms of use.

But yes, I am here to burn witches, boooo.

I don't think they have the guts to stand up to him.

You need to get your butt back on staff and do something Suzzette

Because Seon Ho was thoroughly whipped into shape when Suzzette was on staff?



Ok. This seems to hav ecome down to solely complaining about Seon Ho. I agree that a tougher line should be taken with Seon Ho. Most people do, and I'm willing to bet that nex time he does something, that will be that. So unless you want to whip up a useful example who ISN'T Seon Ho, please, let that go, as nothing productive is coming of it.

You HONESTLY think that anyone goes out of their way to discriminate against you? Well, you're wrong. Plain and simple. clearly, however, you don't believe that. And at some point, that ceases to be anyone's problem but your own. As Jordi said, the easiest solution is to follow the very simple rules of the forum. Then you have nothing to worry about.

No, you don't have to reply to my post either. I was just joking because I think Suzzette should come back to staff. Hence the the smiley face at the end.

1.- People go all about acting stupid in the forums under several premises such as:

i) It's the internet, nobody cares.
ii) We have no motivation to act like we do in the everyday world.
iii) They are actually that stupid.

2.- The forums get full of stupid posts, topics and people. People don't report posts because of points i) and ii) mentioned under section 1.*

3.- The staff acts on the flood of stupid; some people get warned some don't. People whine about it claiming a double standard when they're the ones screwing the place up in the first place, making the staff members' job more difficult because:

i) The number of occasions where the staff needs to take part in increases accordingly to the complaining.

ii) People don't help staff deal with problems, but keep claiming about double standards without taking into consideration their role in the whole mess.

4.- People go back to point 1.


You all love drama and being babysitted too much for CreateBlog's good.

*I am not sure if being stupid is an excuse or a flaw with regards to that specific point. As of now it'll be left out.

Lmao. Don't mind me; I find this funny.

I see bringing up Seon Ho was inevitable. His IPs WERE banned but he was still able to use his account for some reason (and without a proxy); therefore, the ban was pretty useless. I took them off because a) as I said, it wasn't working, and b) many IPs are shared by many many members, which is why I'm wary of using an IP ban.

Ok, so, the discussion Backstage of what to do with Seon Ho. Why the constant discussion? Because people on staff have differing views on what should be done. Both sides have valid points so it's not as if the staff doesn't have the guts to face up to him. LOL, I think he knows that I don't shy away from punishing him.

Anyway, I think the take home message from this thread is that something should be done about the different standards that the staff members have on what merits a warning, a verbal warning, or a simple slap on the wrist.

I saw what the user "Anal" has posted and didn't hesitate to give out a verbal warning. I saw that the "Be nice." comment geared at Seon Ho was useless and PMed Jane saying she should be afraid of doing certain things and doing what she thinks is right.

Edit: P.S. I agree with everything Jordi (Kurd Jam) has stated in his latest post.

I don't agree with Kurd Jam at all... I have been at this site for a little over 8 months now and have only been acting up recently. It's been this way ever sense I have joined cB. Certain members just get away with shit. A lot of what he has said is true, but in many cases does not apply to this website.... there definitely is a double standard. Particularly in the case of Krnxswat.

You can seriously be as bad as you want, and never get kicked off this site. Most ISP's use a Class A IP address giving their customers 1,000,000+ IP address's to choose from. I can change my IP at any time, and create a new account. You guys would have no idea it was me, and I could do the same thing all over again. Proxy's are another method, but I prefer a simple phone call to a slow connection (proxies are slow...).

I'm getting the impression that you guys are really at the mercy of your members... especially the ones who don't use the services provided in the design section.

You know what's really stupid:

Even though you all punish seon ho over and over... your staff still has the stupidity to give him numerous member of the X awards... >.> That's almost the equivalant of giving your most troublesome employee "Employee of the Month"... I don't know what you guys were thinking at the time, but someone must have hit you guys in the head with a 2x4 or something.

Elaborate because that went completely over my head.

I think he might be referring to the Superlatives 2006 thread.

Josh, what does Seon Ho getting the most votes in the superlatives have to do with anything? It's the staff's stupidity? Right. Were you here when all that happened, because to my knowledge, members (including staff) had voted on each "position".

Whoa, isn't member of the month determined by staff? I thought that members just elected and helped choose those members.

To my knowledge, Seon Ho never received member of the month.

Didn't he flaunt it during the hiring session?