Seriously. Why do we have stuff like this.. http://www.createblog.com/graphics/index.p...uthor_id=468620
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17520
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16808
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16255
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16253
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16220
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16219
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16218
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16217
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16216

Looks like a bunch of lines drawn on paint then uploaded as a chepass jpg/jpeg file. There are 100x100 with a couple words slapped on them called "icons"...And admit it, the photos suck. I can take a picture of my foot with different angles and it'll probably be accepted. Really, who uses them?

More useless crap:
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16736
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16422
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16326
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=16211
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=15806

And this is only 5 out of the hundreds.

Not everyone have adobe programs, you know.

I use those striped graphics and the others similar to it on my myspace.

^x2 You can make some pretty awesome looking graphics without adobe, y'know.

LOL @ the myspace one.

Ah, this reminds me of the myspace layouts.. I think there should be another deleting spree.. Hmm.

The photos arent very good, you are right.
Especially the one with the dress (wtf?).

But as for the patterns, I think they could be very useful.
For backgrounds on sites, such as Myspace, or Xanga.

And I also agree about the icons, though I do like the Serial Kisser one, just cause it makes me laugh.
But the myspace one =

It really is up to the admins/head staff whether or not we have another House Cleaning.
So until then.. I guess, dont worry about it? idk.
I do think we should have one though, yes.

I really dont like half of the graphics. I think we need to separate out the icons/photos/other graphics into different sections.

I don't know, its not me I know that.

I don't exactly want to be rude to the other staff, all I need is more people on their bad side with me.

But Jackie did go all out and made completely new rules:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=151544

and theres these:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=130778

Sometimes I just think some of the people don't even bother to look over the rules to see whats acceptable or not.

The layouts, Toya and I talked about it, and we feel as if theres going to be a new house cleaning with the layouts. Because some layouts are just getting accepted and theres no need to accept them.


Also, I never got the point of accepting Icons that just a have some text on it and solid color background. Seriously guys do you really think it took much effort to do something like that. I know for a fact people can make better things than that in photoshop and even ms paint.

Those rules are BS. I've seen every single one of them broken. IN fact, not over half of those rules are implemented for most of the graphics here.

SWA, if you don't have an adobe program, then don't make graphics. Also, I've seen amazing things made on paint.

Yeah, house cleaning would be good. More than half those graphics don't deserve to even be on there...

Dots and patterns are nice, but they take like...1 minute to make. Compare this to the Design Staff that have made millions of backgrounds that take at least 20. I can easily make 50 dots and call myself Official Designer.

Btw these are retarded:
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17979
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17918
http://www.createblog.com/graphics/download.php?id=17651 (big whoop, ITS A CROPPED PICTURE)

salcha, i do have adobe program. What gives you an idea that i don't even have one?



Oh? You've seen amazing things done on paint? Can I see it? Maybe, a doll ? How long does it takes to make quality graphic in Paint. Is it easy? It's rare. Look at how many cb paint tutorials are there. Paint isnt easy.





When someone claims to construct a vexel in Paint, do you believe them?

Before, you start calling it "useless crap". Moderators have different standards of approval. I liked the two "useless crap" photos that you listed. glue and book. It looks like; you can have a lot of fun with base graphic on PS.


About the dress photo, it does look like crap.

I wasn't talking about YOU, I was talking about people in general without adobe programs since you stated that fact before. Moderators have to follow CERTAIN RULES for approval, most of those pictures don't even FIT and are USELESS.

Another cleaning spree would be useful, yes. The only problem I have with what you're bringing up is about useless crap. So the striped backgrounds don't take very long to make, but are they completely useless? Not in my opinion. I see a great deal of people using striped backgrounds, especially on MySpace. Several can be rejected, but not all.

And the difficulty with graphics (any submission really, but mainly graphics) is that sometimes, although it isn't necessarily that great looking, it's really not something to get a fuss over and reject. So what happens? It's accepted anyway or it's left for another mod to decide.

But an important thing here is that while mods must use their best judgement, the rules/guidelines thread should be open when going through the queue.

I'll just keep my opinion simple; I agree.

Also, I'd like to bring something else up that's related with graphics. Am I the only one who finds it REALLY ANNOYING when a whole crapload of new Graphics topics come up when I "View New Posts"?

Yes, I realize that they are new posts/topics, but I hate having to scroll through a bunch of stuff that I'm not likely to look at, let alone comment.

The thing is, if things like graphics, tutorials, scripts, layouts, etc are in a completely different part of the createBlog site than the Forums are, then why do they come up in Forums' "View New Posts?" It's really annoying to me, and doesn't make much sense. I came to the Forums to post in the Forums, not to see what's new in Graphics.

I'd rather people who submit their graphics post up collections of their contributions in a graphics subforum, not unlike the one we have right now, in order to get feedback. Because right now, it's not effective. No one's actually getting any feedback; go to any given Graphics topic and there are sad numbers of replies. One comment, if you're lucky.

Just a little something I wanted to bring up...too lazy to make a new topic.

Yes I know Some of the 'icons' are all over the internet and are posted at least twice. (wtf?)

Some icons are not even icons...

I think those simple striped backgrounds SHOULD BE REMOVED.

Why? Because cB is a website which provides graphics that are of high standard and quality.

I believe people can share their simple backgrounds in Graphics Resources instead. Really, isn't what that forum is supposed to be for?

This will really help the graphics section look much better. The submitted graphics should be stuff that NOT EVERYONE CAN MAKE, rather than what I call below-average.

Sharing backgrounds in the graphic resource forum would be too much trouble. Why? Because some backgrounds that get submitted are worse than the ones you even pointed out. If you just let people post their own its going to become this chaotic thing, in which you guys will be posting a new topic again in the future, asking us to just go through them or create some process in which they aren't just added in there. Personally I think they are fine were they are.

Backgrounds and pattenrs can easily be considered "graphics" in a way. If you want to put them in the resource forum why not put everything else in there. All the graphics that are being accepted are pretty much resources for people anyway.


Not everyone is a genius, not everyone is the Carrie or kristina (don't take this offensively because I love you guys) or any other people that make EXTREMELY NICE GRAPHICS that no one else can make/do (ok well what majority can't do). Some people get off making decent things that everyone else can make too. So they should easily be able to be accepted if they are decent and atleast up to most/majority of the standards in the rules. If the graphic section was limited to things not everyone could make ..why would we have a photo section? Everyone can make photos so that would pretty much be eliminated. You would then have is banners/icons. And lately all icons can be made by everyone. So might as well eliminate that too. My point is changing the graphic section to things everyone can't make would pretty much eliminate the graphics section.



I see your point too, but more than one mod accepts graphics so its kind of hard to keep track of whats there and whats not.

I agree with Mona. Regarding the dress one, yea um thats pointless. But I don't find the backgrounds and patterns being pointless at all.



Duration doesn't mean anything. It takes some people longer than others to do things. Once you get the hang of it things don't take long at all.

Just wanted to say I agree with this. There may be 20 new graphics accepted on a given day, so when you go to "view new posts" that's pretty much all you see. Defeats the purpose, yeah? Perhaps there's a way to disable this?

i agreed. People just submitting random craps. Then the mods have to rejected it. Then the user sends us hate email, saying, "why was it rejected!?" By that time, we don't even know what graphics they're talking about.

Gigi, the reason why new submissions are visible in the "View New Posts" list is because submitting a graphic/layout/etc. makes a post in the particular sub-forum and so adds to one's post count. It was previously suggested that post count be enabled in the graphics forum so that more people would be motivated to post (though I don't see why they cannnot already comment on a graphic, but I don't have a problem with it and majority rules). The only way to get rid of that is to disable post count to how it was before.

Oh my gosh yes. I maybe accept 5-10 (if that) out of 100 submissions anymore. Almost every submission violates a rule. Problem is, when over 200 submissions are in the queue, it's hard to give a lot of rejection feedback. So I get these hate mails like, "So you guys just hate _[insert type of picture here]_, don't you? Have it your way."

That's not an actually reply, but that is no exaggeration. I'm just so super tired of some of the random "myspace angle" pictures, blurry photos with no focus, and text icons.
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Maybe you should just give feedback for layouts but not graphics.

^ I do give feedback for layouts all the time - no exceptions.

I just wish some people had more maturity when it comes to their responses.

Go Chou!! I'm rooting for you!

If you have a hard time rejecting stuff just get a browser that has tabs, and open up two new tabs and put them to the graphic rules. When you come to a graphic that is going against the rules you simple copy the rule their breaking tell them their breaking that rule and give them a link to the rules that you got the thing from and tell them if they would like to submit another graphic or improve then follow the rules.

I do that now, and I rarely ever get complaints from graphics.

^ I'll do that. Thanks

Yep, no problem..

Um. Okay. I understand that.

you cant be that biased against ms paint.
there are many things you can do with paint.
i have paint shop pro 8
and photoshop
but i do use ms paint.
and have come to learn that some of the features are really nice
i made my siggy and avatar using ms paint |and many people are suprised about that |
the only thing i didon photoshop was the fire brush and the text.


i understand the point being made but the real concern should be that when using paint you should actualy try hard on paint
not make crappy single colored backgrounds and contrasting shapes.yeah that shit take 2 seconds.or my personal favorite the rainbow stripes. that might have takne a person 2 mins longer.
but if it really looks like you gave a shit and actualy earned your way as a official graffic designer why not use paint?

I have never evereverever said anything against MS Paint. I use that program to do a lot of editing too, hence why I said that it is not impossible to make good graphics on MS Paint. Making three lines = 1 minute.

MS Paint can be stretched to the limit, and like she said, I haven't seen anythign against it, either. It just seems that a lot of graphics made in it aren't very hard at all... and really really really simple.

So basically, this is a against-really-simple-graphics thread, not an against-MS Paint thread.

IN REFERENCE TO TOYA'S POST:

Actually, the Graphics Resources subforum was recently set up, right?
Well, I don't really understand clearly what can be posted in the forum or not.
So perhaps, a few more guidelines/rules should be set there. Just a suggestion.

And also, I understand your viewpoint. However, I think these simple backgrounds should only count as 1/2 a graphic when it comes to official designer application. Why? Although some people may have spent a lot of time on making these backgrounds, I think the complicated banners/vectors/etc. people submit should deserve more respect than simpler graphics. We all know how much more effort people need to put in them. Hence, mods really need to be careful on this matter.

Maybe what I meant by "something everyone can make" was not clear enough. I didn't mean that we should eliminate photos/icons. I was talking about banners and more of the complicated graphics. I take banners as an example. Everyone can open MS Paint, fill in the background and add some simple text onto a banner-sized graphic. You hardly need any effort to create this "banner". Hence, I don't think such simple graphics deserve to be on cB resources at all.

I emphasize once more, that, cB should offer the best (or at least fairly good) graphics on the Internet. Graphics that just look decent and not ugly are not good enough. I thought we tried to upper cB's resources standard a little bit during the last house-cleaning session? I hope we're not going back to where we started off. I do not wish to see cB becoming a typical, average blog resources site.

^ On the designer application - it has to be 50 Unique Graphics... when we made that rule a long time ago, we made it "50" to account for how easy it to many certain things, and the "unique-ness" so that they all aren't simple backgrounds.

Bu eh, I agree about the simple backgrounds...
Actually, I really don't think we need them.

I don't have anything against that.


But all I'm saying is this some look like they don't have much effort to them, and trust me the times I do go through the graphics I don't accept them, but then some that are accepted look simple but some people actually try to make them etc. Banners like simple text, etc , I completely agree with you. I was going on to more blend type banners with just some simple text. mmhmm.



Well that was the goal for layouts and graphics , but as I even began to notice some are just being accepted. I'm totally up for another house cleaning thing anyway. But I don't see a problem if we wait a few weeks or a month before doing it..

i think some of my stuff is better than what i looked at, and most of my stuff gets denied :[

Different mods have different opinions. So if you feel that way, thats well interesting. But all I can say is if you want to know why your stuff is denied you have the right to ask.

Why? Everyone needs feedback, don't you think?

Hmmm... working on that ;D

Layouts take more time to make. I'm sure a lot of people can figure out what's wrong with their graphics just by looking at the submission guidelines. Would you guys (as mods) want to give feedback on every graphic anyway?

Perhaps a routine house cleaning or review of graphics should happen. There are so many graphics that are submitted and different moderators are going through the queue at different times and each might have a unique interpretation regarding what should and should not be accepted. Typically (and Mona suggested this at one point, I believe) when someone is going through the queue they should have a window up with the graphics queue and another window up with the submission guidelines. Go through it like it was a checklist. The rest is/can be subjective.

If we have a periodic review then perhaps another pair of eyes (or a few) can see a graphic that ought not have been accepted in the first place and clean house a bit.

Everyone wants feedback. I think there are topics in here with people complaining that they don't get feedback. Everyone wants there feedback. If we don't give it , we still get all these pms asking why we didn't in the first place. So we have to go back , and tell them why. Its much easier giving it then.

Tell them to suck it up.

why not have everyone that can accept graphics go through and rate it on a scale of one to ten. all those failing to reach a certain number on average gets rejected. you dont have to do it when its accepted, but as a house cleaning thing.

Do you have any idea how many graphics go through everyday? How tedious would that be? And even then, you would have to wait for everyone else to rate it.

I've tried submitting both layouts and icons, and gotten both rejected.
I've never gotten feedback on either type, just that little form message, but quite frankly I'd rather see feedback on layouts than the icons.
Icons are basically what I do when I get bored or have some time to kill, so if they get accepted, great, if not, oh well. (I know everyone else is probably different, but that's my take on it.)

But like someone up there mentioned, layouts take a while to make, and I'd really like to know why they were rejected.
Not because I'm mad that they were, I'd just like to know what I need to be working on so I can make them better.

well then, we could just keep complaining.

Or find a more efficient idea.

Why reject the stripes and dots?

I mean, isn't that what the graphic category of Minimal is for?

they are hideous

^ Wow, and what qualifies you to say this?

well, no one else has come up with one so let's start back at square one and bitch some more.

^And what exactly is that going to do?


There's nothing that the staff can do, except for work harder and know what is against the rules and what isn't against them. And also for members to start reading the guidlines and not submit things that go against the rules.

So if you guys just bitch more and more then nothing is going to happen except cause more internet drama to the suitation which is something no one wants.