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Dragonfly_babe
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cLinT_wEStw0oD
21 pages? I think it's time for a 2nd version...maybe this time in the lounge.
Levy2k6
lol.. i think we have concluded that masturbation is a sin.... someone should close this topic and whoever opens a new one needs to look up old topics.. lol..

n e wayz... it's a sin. it's okay to sin, not all rules (they are really guidelines) are meant to be followed.... aslong as u do the 10 commandments and what not. ur okay.

yea..
virtuoso
i doubt its a sin.
your pleasuring yourself.
it's good way to practive abstinence..
isn't it? ermm.gif
Levy2k6
if you read the church's thing in that one book.. all i remmeber is black and it has alot of stuff in it including birth control and what not.. it's a sin... ill get the book and quote it.. maybe.


Edit:
"The Catholic Faith Handbook For Youth" page 272..

Chastity Chapter:
QUOTE
Masturbation, genital activity alone or with another person that does not result in sexual intercourse, is also a sin agaisnt chastity. It is all about pleasure without regard for life or real love. Sins agaisnt chastity include other forms of genital sexual activity that stop short of sexual intercourse, such as petting or oral sex. They are forms of exploitation, and are not appropiate sexual expressions for semicommited love. These activities can also prevent true intimacy in future relationships


Definitions (page 417):
QUOTE
Masturbation: Self manipulation of one's sexual organs for the purpose of erotic pleasure or to achieve orgasm. The Church considers masturbation a sin because the act cannot result in the creation of life. It is also wrong because it is self-serving, and God created sex not for self-gratification but to unify a husband and wife in marriage.



there.. so it's a sin.. I broke it down by what the church said, not by personal opinion or what i heard but what the church said in the book since they do publish this.... if ur not christian, then the rules dont follow the same way..
This is gonna sound bad but it is okay to sin, you can't follow all the rules. your not going to hell just because you masturbate. It's not the end of the world trust me.. the world would have ended millions of years ago if masturbation was really that bad. Aslong as you have faith, belive in the trinity and commandments and what not, it's all good.

case closed... someone close this now.. haha.
AngryBaby
well according to that definition, condoms are a sin also, because "it cannot result in the creation of life" so thats stupid. according to that every time we have sex it should be for a baby. rolleyes.gif
Levy2k6
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Jan 17 2006, 6:05 PM)
well according to that definition, condoms are a sin also, because "it cannot result in the creation of life" so thats stupid. according to that every time we have sex it should be for a baby.  rolleyes.gif
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lol.. now ur catching on... that's exactly what it is saying. u said it yourself.

and that's why i said you can't follow the rules.
kryogenix
I saw this thread, and I'm going to add some concrete evidence:

QUOTE(The Catholic Catechism)
Offenses against chastity

2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young.

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.


It is not OK to sin. Please repent.

[edit]

Elaboration:

Notice the words "grave" sin. This falls under mortal sin if you knew it was a grave sin and you did it by your consent.

If you do not confess your sin before you die, you will go to hell. Please, go to confession and don't sin anymore.
Levy2k6
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jan 17 2006, 10:26 PM)
If you do not confess your sin before you die, you will go to hell. Please, go to confession and don't sin anymore.
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that's not true... (or the part about going to hell)




but that's funny.


anyways, we have alot of concrete evidence that masturbation is a sin..

will this topic ever end!?
kryogenix
QUOTE(Levy2k6 @ Jan 17 2006, 10:59 PM)
that's not true... (or the part about going to hell)
but that's funny.
anyways, we have alot of concrete evidence that masturbation is a sin..

will this topic ever end!?
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It's a mortal sin. You go to Hell if you don't confess mortal sins.
Levy2k6
Masturbation is mostly a venial sin, not truly mortal.. unless you let it be.. and you are doing in on purpose and what not

Venial or Mortal, it's still a sin.

Usually before you die, you can confess your sins for the last time and if you don't... when people pray for you when you die, they are helping you get into heaven because it's not something your spirit can't do without help of others
kryogenix
QUOTE(Levy2k6 @ Jan 17 2006, 11:18 PM)
Masturbation is mostly a venial sin, not truly mortal.. unless you let it be.. and you are doing in on purpose and what not

Venial or Mortal, it's still a sin.

Usually before you die, you can confess your sins for the last time and if you don't... when people pray for you when you die, they are helping you get into heaven because it's not something your spirit can't do without help of others
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Read my initial post under elaboration:

QUOTE(kryogenix)
Notice the words "grave" sin. This falls under mortal sin if you knew it was a grave sin and you did it by your consent.


Don't take mortal sin lightly. Think of it this way, if you died right now, would you go to heaven? (not you personally, just a rhetorical question)
AngryBaby
QUOTE(Levy2k6 @ Jan 17 2006, 9:06 PM)
lol.. now ur catching on...
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yay!

so that must mean your mommy and daddy are sinning a hella lot. they probably had sex last night! ohmy.gif
cLinT_wEStw0oD
Wow...this is still going on?
AlexusD
mastubation= not a sin

mastubation= relief biggrin.gif
BannanaQ
all I heard was its good for you. And ofcourse that was from a D.L. Hughley stand up comedy.
hirador
QUOTE(WildGriffin @ Jun 2 2004, 4:19 PM)
I hope to God it's not.

...seriosuly, the thought scares me.
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hmm.. I personally have no clue. If it is, I don't think it should be.
voguelove
well, it is if youre christian.

but i dont believe in god so it wouldnt matter.
DUkk
I heard on some sex show thing that it "isn't" a sin. lol... They called it "Perfectly natural".
Lil Dr69on
nAH ITs f**kin not. Dont get it wrong.
Paradox of Life
This seems like a bit of a controversial topic and I thought it belonged in Debate... let's keep the posts intelligent now...

>Moved to Debate>
Ambuletz
QUOTE(waccoon @ Jun 2 2004, 2:13 PM) *
ooooooo. j00 going to heeeell! laugh.gif

He never said HE masterbates. tongue.gif

To me, no, it's not a sin. I don't understand why it is to some Christians. I've heard that it's like ending possible lives, but then some others say that it isn't because they were never fertilized?

Iono. _unsure.gif

I could see why sex before marriage is a sin {Even though I don't think it is.}, because it's supposed to be used for creating new people, not sexual pleasure. But why would God give us masterbation and tell us not to use it? It won't help us have children..I don't see any other purpose for it except to relieve us..if anything, I think Christians should applaud masterbation because it would help us refrain from having sex until we're married. rolleyes.gif

There really needs to stop being so many restrictions.
kryogenix
QUOTE(x__Elle. @ Apr 5 2006, 9:15 AM) *
He never said HE masterbates. tongue.gif

To me, no, it's not a sin. I don't understand why it is to some Christians. I've heard that it's like ending possible lives, but then some others say that it isn't because they were never fertilized?

Iono. _unsure.gif

I could see why sex before marriage is a sin {Even though I don't think it is.}, because it's supposed to be used for creating new people, not sexual pleasure. But why would God give us masterbation and tell us not to use it? It won't help us have children..I don't see any other purpose for it except to relieve us..if anything, I think Christians should applaud masterbation because it would help us refrain from having sex until we're married. rolleyes.gif

There really needs to stop being so many restrictions.


http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...dpost&p=1854737
Ambuletz
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Apr 5 2006, 11:02 PM) *

Ahh, thank you for that.
swimgirlarc
what about all those gay preists and bishops that take advantage of kids??
If they knew how to do that, where did they learn? They had to have learned by masterbating....or a previous relationship i guess...
idk
kryogenix
QUOTE(swimgirlarc @ Apr 6 2006, 12:23 AM) *
what about all those gay preists and bishops that take advantage of kids??
If they knew how to do that, where did they learn? They had to have learned by masterbating....or a previous relationship i guess...
idk


Child molesters do not represent the law of God. People who were supposed to be role models failed, but they disobeyed God's law. That doesn't mean the law is flawed, it means the people who disobeyed it were.
gamer987
its nature to masturbate.99% of this country probably does it and loves it
SuzieRawkSoxx
QUOTE(AngelicEyz00 @ Jun 2 2004, 5:02 PM) *
Anything that feels good is a sin!! haha


ROTFL!!! That is s0o0o0o TRUE! I think it is.. I mean i dont know.. Its not like its "pre-maritial sex" _dry.gif
pinacoolada
....hmmm..Idk if it is..It probably is but I can't imagine a God who would make that a sin..lol
Ambuletz
^ It all really depends on your religion, and the person. To me, it's not a sin. It's unfair to ask so many things of a person like God does, and then not let them have ANY pleasure, at least sometimes.. -_-
My Cinderella.
I personally do not know if it is a sin or not. I mean, it's natural for people to do it. So I don't see any harm in it. I guess it ruins the...pureness?
birdman
Ouhhh~ don't waste the milk!
oXMuhNirvanaXo
QUOTE(AngelicEyz00 @ Jun 2 2004, 4:02 PM) *
Anything that feels good is a sin!! haha


That is the truth... -_- happy.gif
Comik-knerd
Well it depends on how addicted you get to it....i'm a christion and it's wrong to lust i know that
Uronacid
the bible really doesnt talk about pleasuring yourself... it talks about lust, and how wrong it is... and the only realson lust is wrong is that its like a gateway to all this other sh*t that you could do that is relaly worng! i guess if you're jerking your meat or fingering yourself just to rid your brian of all those thoughts then is it really wrong? erf, i guess its wrong if your doing it with the pure intention of geting off to thoughts of a sexy chick or a big d**k, but hell... i know why i do it... honestly, i generally masurbate just to get all the sh*t out of my head. not only does it clear my mind and help me fall asleep, but it also feels frickin sweet! ;) i dont think that enjoying yourself is wrong either.
Ambuletz
QUOTE(Uronacid @ May 13 2006, 11:44 PM) *
not only does it clear my mind and help me fall asleep, but it also feels frickin sweet! ;)
Aren't you technically sinning then? Because what else could you be thinking about when jerking off? blink.gif So you're giving into temptation and lust, when there are plenty of other ways to clear your head.
AngryBaby
it stops you from getting blue balls Franki^ hehe.gif
Ambuletz
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ May 14 2006, 12:23 AM) *
it stops you from getting blue balls Franki^ hehe.gif
WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU WERE A GOOD CHRISTIAN. tongue.gif
Terror
It's pretty stupid how Christianity attempts to control every convievable aspect of your life, including what you do with yourself when your alone.
And yeah, everyone knows it's a dumbass rule, because 95% of people do it.
oXMuhNirvanaXo
Lust... Is that like having perv dreams when you sleep... or even think about having sex with anybody else that you are not dating or married to?

And would you consider masterbation not being a virgin anymore?
juliar
QUOTE(oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo @ May 14 2006, 11:26 AM) *
Lust... Is that like having perv dreams when you sleep?


if it is, that sucks for the model christian teenager who wakes up with a morning erection.
kryogenix
QUOTE(Uronacid @ May 14 2006, 12:44 AM) *
the bible really doesnt talk about pleasuring yourself... it talks about lust, and how wrong it is... and the only realson lust is wrong is that its like a gateway to all this other sh*t that you could do that is relaly worng! i guess if you're jerking your meat or fingering yourself just to rid your brian of all those thoughts then is it really wrong? erf, i guess its wrong if your doing it with the pure intention of geting off to thoughts of a sexy chick or a big d**k, but hell... i know why i do it... honestly, i generally masurbate just to get all the sh*t out of my head. not only does it clear my mind and help me fall asleep, but it also feels frickin sweet! ;) i dont think that enjoying yourself is wrong either.


Not true. Read about Onan in Genesis.
Uronacid
can you post the verses... i relaly ahve never had an aswer to this... this is just what i have been told
kryogenix
QUOTE(Uronacid @ May 17 2006, 12:59 AM) *
can you post the verses... i relaly ahve never had an aswer to this... this is just what i have been told


Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother."

Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother.

But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.


Genesis 38:8-10

Take a look at my earlier post in this thread for the lines from the Catechism.
tecknoreject
I am quite a God fearing person and have been reading all the replies to this question. To masterbate just to please yourself is probably a sin, however; I have read the Book of Solomon and that guy had 700 wives. There are several references made through metaphor that he masterbated his wives or they would have oral sex. I am a Christian and I think that the church leaders have made sex in all its forms a dirty thing when in fact God intended it yes for procreation of mankind but He wanted us to have fun and pleasure also.

If sex had no pleasure with it, I think we would have been extint a long time ago.
Uronacid
QUOTE(tecknoreject @ Jul 9 2009, 05:48 PM) *
To masterbate just to please yourself is probably a sin.


I really don't understand how you've come to this conclusion. It sounds like you're just assuming that it's a sin. Based upon your logic here, anything you do to please yourself is a sin. Am I sinning while playing a video game or watching a movie that I enjoy, no. I'm sure you could turn masturbation into a sin if you bacame obsessed with it (just like anything else), but studies show that it's actually heathly for you to masturbate. It releaves stress, feels good, releases endofants... among other things. Masturbation just puts you in a better mood.

QUOTE(kryogenix @ May 17 2006, 11:10 PM) *
Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother."

Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother.

But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.


Genesis 38:8-10

Take a look at my earlier post in this thread for the lines from the Catechism.


I don't think that it was the masturbation that displeased the Lord, but it was his disobedience in not helping his brother have a child.
kryogenix
QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jul 10 2009, 10:19 AM) *
I don't think that it was the masturbation that displeased the Lord, but it was his disobedience in not helping his brother have a child.


But that's exactly it... Sexual stimulation outside of the context of reproduction is illicit. That's why masturbation and use of condoms, birth control and other contraception is not allowed.
medic
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 10 2009, 10:54 PM) *
But that's exactly it... Sexual stimulation outside of the context of reproduction is illicit. That's why masturbation and use of condoms, birth control and other contraception is not allowed.


This is still going on? I have been gone for a few years now, come on guys.
Uronacid
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 11 2009, 12:54 AM) *
But that's exactly it... Sexual stimulation outside of the context of reproduction is illicit. That's why masturbation and use of condoms, birth control and other contraception is not allowed.


That bit of scripture is clearly subject to interpretation. Judah told Onan to help his brother by getting his brother's wife pregnant. Onan knew that the child would not be his own and wasted his seed so she would not get pregnant. I argue it was not "sexual stimulation outside of the context of reproduction" that angered the Lord, but it was the context in which he masturbated. He masturbated before sex so his sperm wouldn't be as potent. He didn't want to help his brother. He was being a jerk. It wasn't masturbation that angered the Lord. It was his actions towards his brother.
res8zenith
depends on how you look at it. xD BE HAPPY, and do what you want to be happy, i know some ppl are cool with it, while others HATE it, i doubt its a sin, open your mind and ask yourself not others
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