"We should all be allowed to walk the streets naked, we were born naked, we should all "dress" naked."

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Err. No.

That would be inappropriate, don't you think?

And it would be too cold.

I don't really have a problem with people being naked. Sometimes it's not appropriate, but I do think America's fear of nudity is a major cause of our image disorders, such as eating disorders. From an early age we're taught that nudity is bad; by extrapolation, kids come to be ashamed of their bodies. If kids were taught to embrace the human form, I don't think there'd be as many problems with things like eating disorders.

The human body is really rather beautiful. It was/is cherished in many cultures, such as Ancient Greece. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

I agree! Gosh, it feels so comfy when I'm naked.

Cold. Cold = Shrinkage = Unfortunate.

But there sint anything WRONG with nudity, no.

Yes there is.

Actually, there are things wrong with being nude.

1) It could be disgusting,
2) How in the world will a 3 year old feel when he / she sees his / her teacher nude?
3) It's morally wrong.

There are more but I'll stop here. Although, it's fun to be naked.

1) But, as Michael pointed out, if nudity was the norm, people would be less inclined to percieve others as 'disgusting'

2) Again, if it was a social norm, then I imagine it would make little or no difference

3) How is it morally wrong? I mean, yes, if the naked men rape lots and lots of naked women, sure, but one doesnt necessarily follow the other, and in any event, it is the rape which would be morally wrong, not the nudity.

4) Paul, if you can't be intelligent, go away, please.

No, people are way insecure now. I don't think many would actually like this idea. Although I think if this were to really happen people would perhaps take better care of themselves. Its instinct I think to compare yourself to someone else and with that happening people would.

I would find it a little gross to see some people. I rather not get sick.

I sooo agree. I couldn`t say anything else

It's harder to hide a boner





But more importantley, what society deems normal changes so if nudity became common, it would become normal (which is basically what people have said). So I'm all for it, you all want to see my pretty body :D

But that isn't what the topic is about. He wants us all to be allowed naked which is morally wrong. I would in no way want to see my 58 year old teacher naked! I wouldn't want to see my dad naked, nor my mom. Nakedness should either be private / shared with close members of your life not with the whole world.

IF we were all naked to begin with, then I agree with you, who cares? Oh well, being naked is fun though.

Yes... but what is morally wrong with nudity which would make the decision to allow it morally wrong?

simply saying it doesnt make it true. Unacceptable in current society =/= morally wrong.

aren't there people who are nudists .. and they live life naked? i read that in CosmoGirl one time ..

It's inappropriate for what exactly?

I hate that people go around throwing out the word "inappropriate" for absolutely everything. It's typically completely untrue. Nudity is not always innappropriate. Cursing is not always inappropriate. Discussing sex is not always inappropriate.

And Michael said (I think), if it were done more often, it'd be much more acceptable.

If it's a matter of getting "unwanted attention," you can't really complain, because it's your choice, However, if we were raised like that, it wouldn't be such a big deal anyway. I mean, exactly how many boys do you really think are going to grow up without ever seeing their moms' boobs? In order to acclamate people to things, you have to share them, rather than make them that much more taboo.

i think it would be okay like relaly. God created us with a beautiful body yet however nowaday in the world girls are abusing the nuditiness. They are tending to seduce guys with it so it's just make ppls view of nudity as inappropriate.

I have no problem with being nude. How is it inappropriate? Nakedness is as natural as a human being can get. And people who use the excuse that it's "morally wrong"... not everyone shares the same morals . That might be morally wrong for you but to someone else it could perfectly acceptable.

I was going to say children..
But then I read everyone's posts and changed my mind.
If nudity was normal, then I guess it wouldn't be innappropriate.

It'd still be COLD though.

WOW! U da man.

nudity -> cold -> supressed immunity system -> uber sickness

yeah no real argument on my half...

lol oh wow i just read about the shrinkage thinigie ahahah XD some of us dont shrink =P but we'll get sick.

Nudity is for other animals. Clothes are for the civil animals like human. Except when we take showers, we get uncivil

I think a lot of people are missing the point. Clearly one wouldn't walk around naked when it's cold. Clearly there are many, many places where clothing is appropriate. But there are also a lot of places where people in Western society--specifically American society--are really uptight about nudity, such as the beach. Go to the beaches in Europe--a lot of them are nude, or at least allow bare chests, and it's not really a huge issue.

It is morally wrong James. I will not want to be naked in front of my children. What will you think if a dad walks around naked in front of his 2 - 3 year old kids? I'm not talking about if it's in the norm.

If we were naked to start with, then fine. But everybody walking nude on the streets right now? As much as it sounds fun, it's morally wrong.

NO IT ISNT!!!!

YOU ARENT JUSTIFYING YOUR STATEMENT!!!!

MERELY PROVIDING DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU THINK TO BE WRONG DOESNT EXPLAIN WHY IT IS WRONG!!!!

GAHHH!!!

James does have a good point, Sandra.

You are expressing your personal opinion on the subject, not providing a reasonable argument that would oppose the idea of being allowed to be naked.

Obviously this is not a desirable notion for you and that's ok. I am not, however seeing a reason for this being considered immoral other than your personal sentiment.

Also, we do start off naked.

Oh honestly, we are naked to start with!! We're not exactly born with clothes on. I think that'd be more than slightly distressing. Obviously they're clothed very quickly, but that goes along with the whole not being naked when it's cold common sense thing.

And it's immoral in what way? Why would you not want to be naked in front of your children? They would be, after all, the product of your nakedness.

QUOTE(Zatanna @ Sep 14 2006, 12:27 PM)

James does have a good point, Sandra.

You are expressing your personal opinion on the subject, not providing a reasonable argument that would oppose the idea of being allowed to be naked.

Obviously this is not a desirable notion for you and that's ok. I am not, however seeing a reason for this being considered immoral other than your personal sentiment.

Also, we do start off naked.

^ exactly. and do know that in an article i read about a nudist, she said that her parents were nudists since she could remember. it never bothered her. so what would you tell those people? that what they do are immoral? i wouldn't think so. everyone has their own beliefs.

This goes back to the issue I brought up before. There shouldn't be anything shameful about the human form, and when we make it shameful, we set kids up for a lot of self-image problems later in life.

I wouldnt exactly call humans civil

GAHHH!


YOU'RE NOT FUNNY!


GAHHH!

Paul, I don't think he was trying to be funny. He was responding to Sandra.

Please respond here only if you are contributing to the debate.

James, wow. Calm down. It's not the end of the world. Seriously, yelling doesn't do much.

Rebecca: Of course we start off naked. A naked baby is acceptable, it knows nothing about being ashamed. A naked adult is a different case. Jesus christ, would you go naked in front of your son? If you could or do, that's erm, no comment. ( ).
Would you have sex in front of your kids? I mean, they were made through having sex, weren't they? To me, it all comes down to morals.


If we weren't clothed, if clothes didn't exist then it'll be perfectly OK but that's not the case. You want us to be allowed walking down the streets naked, going to school naked, seeing our teachers naked. Jesus christ! I don't know what your definition of morals is but in my dictionary, this isn't allowed.

We don't think alike so of course we have different opinions. You think it's perfectly OK to walk around naked? Fine! Why don't you start it. Take off your clothes and walk naked. In Belgium, you'll be arrested.

well, i'll calm down when you can justify what you say and i dont feel lik emy time is being wasted. paul, die.

something not being allowed in soceity =/= morally wrong. it equals untolerated in society at the present time.

I see. Having sex publicly isn't morally wrong. Okidok.

Of course not, not if JAMES doesn't think it is. We all have to suck up to him, right? He can tell members to DIE, and it's okay.

Well my opinion in that is well ummm..... i really couldnt tell you i mean these days thats seems a tad bit innapropriate but anywyas i guess thats how god made us so,i dunni really.

Well, obviously paul. we cant have cretins like you making decisions... we would all be sitting around making faux-sarcastic comments all day instead of accomplishing anything. triesome tit.

sandra... oy. way to miss the point.

What the hell are you talking about? You told me to die, this shouldn't be allowed on a Forum. Action should be taken against you. It would be taken against me.

If you want to take the stand point of 'God created us with a beautiful body...' then you should also have read that because man has fallen he should be ashamed of his body. And when I say 'His' or 'Him' I mean mankind in general.



You're just blaming childrens perceptions of their bodies on shame. What about all the people who live normal lives. Those who aren't ashamed of other people seeing them? Do you think those people, excluded from the disorders, were brought up to not be ashamed of their bodies?

Celebrities set off a certain image, that some people would find immodest. Yet there are celebrities that have eating disorders and such.

So tell me, what do you think of having sex publicly? I mean, if we should be allowed to walk around naked, we should be allowed to have sex in the open, right?

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I am going to repeat this one sentence:

I'd hate to do it, but if it doesn't stop it will need to be done. All of you, keep it to the SUBJECT. It's about nudity in public, not sex. It's not about Paul and James slinging mud at each other either. Provide FACTS to support your argument, do not just state your opinions.

If the lack of respect for this Debate continues, it's getting closed. Period.

I am not changing the subject, it's just an example. Besides, in other debate threads, people go off topic too. Why don't you paste this there? Pft.

//Please check your PMs, Sandra and please feel free to continue asking why it is off topic via PMs, not here. I'm sorry.

no

^don't be a dumbass.


There are actual consequences to children seeing public sex, because there are consequences to having sex. All they learn from being naked is basic anatomy. Witnessing sex would suggest that they should do it too, which they shouldn't, because we can't go about having a bunch of 6 years olds impregnating each other, now can we?

Rebecca! I adore you.

Anyway, in this century, walking around naked will also have consequences. Remember puberty? I wouldn't want to see boners every where I go. Be honest to yourself, as of right now, it's just something that shouldn't be allowed.

No no no. The point is that had we actually been raised that nakedness is acceptable, far fewer people would be inclined to be perveerted and immature when seeing the opposite sex.

Sandra, why do you have this odd idea that public sex has anything to do with this thread?

one doesnt lead to another...

Excuse me for automatically linking nakedness to sex. I'm a pervert.

Nikki! That's my point! Had we. Right now, it's just impossible.

No, not really. If it were common, not so much. I mean, it's not like everyone dresses modestly as it is.