illriginal
Sep 5 2006, 07:36 PM
******ISLAM 101******
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Ramadan Around The WorldMuslims Condemns Terrorism
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE just discuss, don't convert, don't argue, don't bash. :)
mona lisa
Sep 5 2006, 07:56 PM
All you're giving is information; there isn't a specific subject to debate upon. Moved to the Lounge.
illriginal
Sep 5 2006, 08:13 PM
Thank you :)
demolished
Sep 5 2006, 08:15 PM
QUOTE(CLYDE @ Sep 5 2006, 6:14 PM)

Are you trying to convert people? Because that's not cool.

No, he isnt trying to convert people. he's teaching people about muslim are not evil. muslim are good people, terroist are not.
goodcharlotte
Sep 5 2006, 08:17 PM
I think he trying to tell you that Islam is a religion of Peace and that muslims are not terrorist but in fact believe in the opposite. Terrorists say they are muslims but aren't behaving the way an ideal muslim would.
demolished
Sep 5 2006, 08:18 PM
^
Thanks. i was trying to tell her a point.
technicolour
Sep 5 2006, 08:21 PM
Movies dont relly help much either.
In Syriana, they basically said that all muslims are terrorists.

I don't quite understand it.
goodcharlotte
Sep 5 2006, 08:22 PM
Exactly but people still believe in it. Bush inserted terror in the coin slot and people are afraid. Why is it that when an african american committs a crime it is a big deal and we are afraid of them but when a white christian does something no one hates all chrisitians? Why are race and religion blamed and bad mouthed when one person goes awry?
illriginal
Sep 5 2006, 08:25 PM
QUOTE(The E-Man @ Sep 5 2006, 9:17 PM)

I think he trying to tell you that Islam is a religion of Peace and that muslims are not terrorist but in fact believe in the opposite. Terrorists say they are muslims but aren't behaving the way an ideal muslim would.
Beautiful... damn we need a rep system on this forumboard, that would deserve a rep.
My true goal on this thread is to get people to understand the facts of Islam/Muslim religion. That everything that is fed to you, rather it be a teacher, the media, heck even a pastor/priest sometimes isn't gonna be true.
I was in a thread where a specific member was degrading Islam, it showed me that he/she was not informed about Islam. So I wanted to quickly make a thread with nothing BUT "facts".
demolished
Sep 5 2006, 08:35 PM
It’s ridiculous.
If a believer of Islam did something wrong, people goes against these religion + people.
Same thing with culture, if a Black man did something wrong, people goes against that race.
Yes, it's strange. I guess, it how the media display people.
No, I’m not insulting anyone. I’m talking about the majority.
radhikaeatsraman
Sep 5 2006, 08:36 PM
Obviously, Islam is not a religion of violence or terrorism. But the fact that people are using Islam to justify such types of actions is sad & degrading, IMO.
Good thread
Mr. Slowjamz
Sep 5 2006, 08:38 PM
i believe that muslims are the most fundamentally faithful people . And im a Roman Catholic.
my statement might sound hyprotical or make less sense .
goodcharlotte
Sep 5 2006, 08:40 PM
QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Sep 5 2006, 9:35 PM)

It’s ridiculous.
If a believer of Islam did something wrong, people goes against these religion + people.
Same thing with culture, if a Black man did something wrong, people goes against that race.
Yes, it's strange. I guess, it how the media display people.
No, I’m not insulting anyone. I’m talking about the majority.
Yeah exactly what I was saying. Yes for some reason have you ever noticed that the same does not go for chrisitans? Look first off I am a chrisitan and I see this everyday of my life. It is an actual issue not of religion or race but of soceity today.
illriginal
Sep 5 2006, 08:41 PM
I don't know if this is too early to ask, but may a Mod pin this thread? Or make it a "sticky"
If not, I totally understand, I would just like to spread the knowledge to those who search for it.
Mr. Slowjamz
Sep 5 2006, 08:42 PM
QUOTE(The E-Man @ Sep 5 2006, 9:40 PM)

Yeah exactly what I was saying. Yes for some reason have you ever noticed that the same does not go for chrisitans? Look first off I am a chrisitan and I see this everyday of my life. It is an actual issue not of religion or race but of soceity today.
its really the media.....how we get information and how we gain news in general .
goodcharlotte
Sep 5 2006, 08:43 PM
Very true.

Tamacracker. If you do not find this offensive, may I ask you what kind of Muslim are you? Suni or Shia?
technicolour
Sep 5 2006, 08:49 PM
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Sep 5 2006, 8:41 PM)

I don't know if this is too early to ask, but may a Mod pin this thread? Or make it a "sticky"
If not, I totally understand, I would just like to spread the knowledge to those who search for it.

That..we couldn't do. Ugh...i'm design staff..totally stepping over my boundries again.Anyways.. We can't make it seem like we're partial towards one religion. We would have to pin all the other threads based on religion to make it fair.
But you can always make a really giant link in your sig. Thats what I do a lot.
Totally the media.
illriginal
Sep 5 2006, 08:57 PM
QUOTE(The E-Man @ Sep 5 2006, 9:43 PM)

Very true.

Tamacracker. If you do not find this offensive, may I ask you what kind of Muslim are you? Suni or Shia?
No way, I'm not offended
I'm Sunni...
In fact before I converted to Muslim, I had to stop drinkin alcohol, smoking uh... you know "mary", and stopped wearing jewelry (precious metals atleast).
Also to anyone that wants to pick up a Qur'an I recommend going to your local Mosque and pickin up a Qur'an that's translated by Abdullah Yusufali. This translation is accurate.
QUOTE(Sherlock. @ Sep 5 2006, 9:49 PM)

That..we couldn't do. Ugh...i'm design staff..totally stepping over my boundries again.Anyways.. We can't make it seem like we're partial towards one religion. We would have to pin all the other threads based on religion to make it fair.
But you can always make a really giant link in your sig. Thats what I do a lot.
Totally the media.
It's ok... it would be cool if anyone has knowledge of their religion to do the same, but anyways no problem. You're right! I should make a link in my signature :)
NoSex
Sep 5 2006, 09:01 PM
This is pretty blatant proselytizing if you ask me.Insofar as I know, there are really no rules against this in our guidelines.
But, I'm not going to lie. I'm damn tempted to close this.
technicolour
Sep 5 2006, 09:11 PM
Why are you tempted to close this? He is not trying to convert people. He is merely informing the general CB population about Islam.
Why wasn't the thread closed about the war over in the middle east?
It wouldn't be fair to close this.
illriginal
Sep 5 2006, 09:17 PM
How can I force someone to convert over the internet? I don't understand? I'm only informing the forumboard of Islam, many people have been misguided and misinformed.
I'm confused... there's no forcing of anything on this thread, people can even ignore this thread if they'd like, and that's their free will to do so... or am I wrong?
NoSex
Sep 5 2006, 09:34 PM
QUOTE(Sherlock. @ Sep 5 2006, 9:11 PM)

Why are you tempted to close this? He is not trying to convert people. He is merely informing the general CB population about Islam.
[
Alright. I just quoted a bunch of passages from the articles he has linked, but I accidently closed that window. So, the summary instead!]
No no no! He
is trying to convert people! Just look at his links! Read some of them. They are blatant proselytizing. Several articles are dedicated to "Judgement Day" and describe how unbelievers will suffer and believers will be rewarded by God.
An article called "
The Reality of this Life" appeals to our emotions to accept God and damns nonbelievers.
QUOTE
Without correct faith, deeds are worthless, and are of no benefit. God neither needs nor benefits from deeds. In fact, He is the One Who sustains all His creations, not people who think they are helping them out of their compassion. It's actually God Who benefits the doers of good deeds by permitting them to deliver His allotted sustenance at any given time, for if they disdain, He will deliver it through other means and then THEY may gain merit through it, provided they have faith and correct intentions.
QUOTE
God reveals Truth first and foremost for the very straightforward reason that when you die, He is going to judge you by that standard.
If you rejected that standard, and knowingly did not conform to it, you will have destroyed yourself by your own hands. Everything you believe, intend, say, and do, will be accounted by God according to what He has revealed and made obligatory for you to act upon and to which you should organize your value system.
QUOTE
In fact, God stresses that His proofs and evidences are so overwhelmingly abundant and straightforward, that to deny them constitutes the worst crime a human being can commit, resulting in eternal Punishment, that is, Hell-fire.
Not trying to convert us? Not proselytizing?! Uhhhhhmmm.
These are
not expository writings. This is
gospel!If he wanted us to understand Islam he may have been better suited in citing Wikipedia. This is just a bunch of John Edwards revival crap.
Honest to goodness, I would close this crap.
demolished
Sep 5 2006, 09:43 PM
CLOSE IT.. YOU GOT GOOD JUDGEMENT!
CLOSE IT !!
NoSex
Sep 5 2006, 09:54 PM
I'm going to go ahead and close this. This is blatant proselytizing and meaningless and direction absent conversion tactics.
If anyone (Staff and non-staff) has any (whatsoever) serious objections, disagreements, disputes, suggestions, comments, please PM me. Thank you.
Closed.
Spirited Away
Sep 5 2006, 10:11 PM
I swear this topic was closed just moments ago.
NoSex
Sep 5 2006, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Sep 5 2006, 10:11 PM)

I swear this topic was close just moments ago.
Yeah, it is.
illriginal
Sep 7 2006, 02:04 PM
Maybe it was bad judgement? I dunno. But I'm happy it wasn't deleted and kept up again
mastashake15
Sep 8 2006, 07:19 PM
werd man
people have to be informed before they can make such and accusation such as saying all muslim people are terrorist and i have heard college professors say this in his classes. for a person to say that, he/she has to be really ignorant. i think this topic really helps informing people that we are the opposite of terrorist.
Luna5
Feb 21 2008, 04:43 PM
I was married to an Arab Muslim he was a crazy a-hole! And I've been around other Muslims before and they seem to have the same mentality. Not that I'm saying they're all the same but the ones I've been around are.
I'm glad I'm not with him anymore. Now I with a Jewish guy and he treats me 10 times better than my ex.
Reidar
Feb 21 2008, 05:09 PM
illriginal
Feb 21 2008, 05:11 PM
QUOTE(BunkyWhiteGirl @ Feb 21 2008, 04:43 PM)

I was married to an Arab Muslim he was a crazy a-hole! And I've been around other Muslims before and they seem to have the same mentality. Not that I'm saying they're all the same but the ones I've been around are.
I'm glad I'm not with him anymore. Now I with a Jewish guy and he treats me 10 times better than my ex.
LOL You're an effin devil... you never been with an Arab nor a Muslim... and just a heads up... if you're a non-Jew, you're considered a subhuman.
Reference? Talmud.
Luna5
Feb 21 2008, 07:20 PM
I was married to a Jordanian of Palestinian descent. I was 19 at the time and he was 27.
Whatever you can think what you want. I really don't care I'm just stating the facts and if can't except that then it's your problem.
By the way a lot of Arabs/Muslims find me attractive so I know what they like. Young looking girls with pale skin.
Reidar
Feb 21 2008, 09:43 PM
...
Your ethnicity and your religion don't determine your hormonal traits. I'm Persian with a Muslim family (although I'm atheist, myself), and I don't like anyone, much less "young looking girls with pale skin".
Luna5
Feb 21 2008, 10:16 PM
From the people I've been around that's what they like.
Reidar
Feb 21 2008, 10:45 PM
You're either insinuating that Muslims are collectively like that, or that you're only speaking on behalf of those you just happen to know as a coincidence and aren't intending for that to infer others' behavior at all, which wouldn't have any relevance to the topic. That'd be like me saying, "You know, I've noticed that most religious people are named Frank. I'm not trying to say that theists like the name Frank, it's just a coincidence I've noticed!" Well, what's your point, then? If that were posted in a topic called "People Named Frank", then it would probably be contributive, but in a topic about religion, it's completely random.
kryogenix
Feb 21 2008, 10:53 PM
Why did Muhammad marry a little girl?
illriginal
Feb 21 2008, 11:13 PM
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 21 2008, 10:53 PM)

Why did Muhammad marry a little girl?
There is no specific reason. There's a reason why I posted the links in this thread. I am not the best person to ask specific questions in regards to Islam.
Why do Jews marry little girls?
Why did/do Catholics marry little girls?
Why did/do Christians marry little girls?
Why do Buddhist families engage their children and have them move to either the girl's or boy's home?
Why do Hindu families marry off their daughters to nearly any aged male as soon as she hits puberty?
I rest my case.
QUOTE(BunkyWhiteGirl @ Feb 21 2008, 07:20 PM)

By the way a lot of Arabs/Muslims find me attractive so I know what they like. Young looking girls with pale skin.
Pfffft...
Reality check... White girls are the thing of the past, this isn't the 90's sweety. Get over yourself lol
kryogenix
Feb 21 2008, 11:46 PM
So you don't know why your great prophet married a little girl? Doesn't this bother you enough to at least have looked into it on your own, rather than trusting that the info is out there?
illriginal
Feb 21 2008, 11:47 PM
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 21 2008, 11:46 PM)

So you don't know why your great prophet married a little girl? Doesn't this bother you enough to at least have looked into it on your own, rather than trusting that the info is out there?
-.- It's old tradition... Ancient tradition, even the Ancient Egyptians married off their children. So did your ancestors, Mongolian (forgive me for assuming you're Asian if I'm wrong).
I go by MY Qur'an not "info that is out there"
And I'm Sunni.
transcendentalism
Feb 22 2008, 12:26 AM
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Sep 5 2006, 09:25 PM)

My true goal on this thread is to get people to understand the facts of Islam/Muslim religion. That everything that is fed to you, rather it be a teacher, the media, heck even a pastor/priest sometimes isn't gonna be true.
I was in a thread where a specific member was degrading Islam, it showed me that he/she was not informed about Islam. So I wanted to quickly make a thread with nothing BUT "facts".
how are you not spooning all this information down our throats by making such a thread?
if anyone really was so interested in islamic beliefs, he or she could go google it himself/herself. so what you read isn't always true - this could be totally false too.
perhaps the situation would be different if you presented your points in an interesting, readable format, not a huge list of links that you expect us to investigate.
JUST SAYING
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Sep 5 2006, 09:57 PM)

Also to anyone that wants to pick up a Qur'an I recommend going to your local Mosque and pickin up a Qur'an that's translated by Abdullah Yusufali. This translation is accurate.
why would this be more accurate than the others?
some christians think that the niv version of the bible is more accurate than the kjv, and that the kjv is more accurate than the tniv, and the tniv is more accurate than "the message" version?
ABSOLUT BOGUS
illriginal
Feb 22 2008, 12:35 AM
QUOTE(sparrowdust @ Feb 22 2008, 12:26 AM)

how are you not spooning all this information down our throats by making such a thread?
if anyone really was so interested in islamic beliefs, he or she could go google it himself/herself. so what you read isn't always true - this could be totally false too.
perhaps the situation would be different if you presented your points in an interesting, readable format, not a huge list of links that you expect us to investigate.
JUST SAYING
why would this be more accurate than the others?
some christians think that the niv version of the bible is more accurate than the kjv, and that the kjv is more accurate than the tniv, and the tniv is more accurate than "the message" version?
How am I spooning this down your throat? It's
YOUR choice to open the thread. No where in this thread am I tellin you to accept God, religion, nor what I tell you or you'll go to hell.
If someone's curious and would like to go to those links (which is another forum board, a bodybuilding forum at that) they can see THOUSANDS of posts, hundreds of pages full of questions about Islam, Muslims, and the way of life and they're all answered properly, professionally, and with all do respect.
As for why is that the most accurate? Because people like to create fake copies of the Qur'an with scriptures in which defame Islam. Especially in Europe and in America.
Also lets not try to compare the THOUSANDS of different versions of the Bible to the
ONLY 2 versions of the Qur'an, Sunni and Shia.
You're hateful and evil for your false audacious post.
transcendentalism
Feb 22 2008, 12:42 AM
QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Feb 22 2008, 01:35 AM)

How am I spooning this down your throat? It's YOUR choice to open the thread. No where in this thread am I tellin you to accept God, religion, nor what I tell you or you'll go to hell.
If someone's curious and would like to go to those links (which is another forum board, a bodybuilding forum at that) they can see THOUSANDS of posts, hundreds of pages full of questions about Islam, Muslims, and the way of life and they're all answered properly, professionally, and with all do respect.
You're hateful and evil for your false audacious post.
i'm not saying that you're evangelizing; i'm saying that you're throwing information at people that could or could not be true - which isn't necessarily bad, but there's a huge difference between telling someone that smearing strawberry extract on your teeth makes them whiter and making a "study the truth of islam!" thread.
you might have well just admitted that you're advertising when you say they links direct you to another forum. O NOZ! but i stand by my point - if anyone desperately searches for information on islam, i'm sure they'll find it.
it's extremely naive of you to find me hateful and evil for questioning and making comments about your post.
illriginal
Feb 22 2008, 12:46 AM
You're posting here just to start trouble. Attempting to get this thread closed like NoSex attempted.
And if they're desperately in search of it, I provided them the links to seek questions that have already been asked and the answers to them.
EddieV
Feb 22 2008, 12:49 AM
My girlfriend's brother is actually taking me to a Mosque on Sunday, I'd rather have things told to me then read.
After they're told I come and read more about it.
The reason I'm a bit eh about Islam is because I think instead of studying the nature of it, I've been reading the sets of rules.
transcendentalism
Feb 22 2008, 12:49 AM
are you saying that just because you have nothing left?
if i wanted this thread closed, i could close it right now. however, i'm not - because i don't see how it's breaking any guidelines, and this isn't "drama" to me. it's merely (partially) educated discussion... granted, aggressive discussion, but it's passable to me.
illriginal
Feb 22 2008, 12:51 AM
QUOTE(Sulfur @ Feb 22 2008, 12:49 AM)

My girlfriend's brother is actually taking me to a Mosque on Sunday, I'd rather have things told to me then read.
After they're told I come and read more about it.
The reason I'm a bit eh about Islam is because I think instead of studying the nature of it, I've been reading the sets of rules.
That's what I did, I went to a Mosque and explained my interest in Islam to the sheikh (Islamic priest), he had me set a date with him so I could have a one on one "interview"... Any question I asked (specially about terrorism with no disrespect) he answered without using apologetics.
EddieV
Feb 22 2008, 12:56 AM
Have you noticed though?
a Muslim would have sex, drink alcohol, gamble, but one thing they'd never do is eat pork.
I'm learning more about Islam for the belief not a set of rules I must follow.
illriginal
Feb 22 2008, 01:03 AM
QUOTE(Sulfur @ Feb 22 2008, 12:56 AM)

Have you noticed though?
a Muslim would have sex, drink alcohol, gamble, but one thing they'd never do is eat pork.
I'm learning more about Islam for the belief not a set of rules I must follow.
Unfortunately, the modern Westernized world is sort of corrupting Muslims in the Western part of the world.
I used to drink alcohol but got sick of it.. literally, I can't drink even a bottle of beer or I'll gag. Back when I was in highschool I used to "chug" 32oz. bottles (4 of them in a matter of 2 hours) of Old English beer.
I used to smoke cigarettes, but one day I didn't have the craving for them... normally when I would wake up, I would smoke my last cigarette and go straight to the store to buy another pack for the rest of the day (I used to smoke a pack a day)
So yeah... there's these fake Muslims who believe in some sort of "Neo-Islam" belief where they believe it's ok to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, fornicate before marriage etc...
EddieV
Feb 22 2008, 01:08 AM
I think that's a debatable topic though. Just because you believe in the teachings doesn't mean you have to follow the rules. I'm not saying make up the rules as you go along, what I'm saying is...
You're not really harming anybody by doing these. I wouldn't say the "Neo-Islam" trend is right, but I believe it's the ideas behind it you should believe in. Not the rules.
Don't know if that made sense?
illriginal
Feb 22 2008, 01:13 AM
QUOTE(Sulfur @ Feb 22 2008, 01:08 AM)

I think that's a debatable topic though. Just because you believe in the teachings doesn't mean you have to follow the rules. I'm not saying make up the rules as you go along, what I'm saying is...
You're not really harming anybody by doing these. I wouldn't say the "Neo-Islam" trend is right, but I believe it's the ideas behind it you should believe in. Not the rules.
Don't know if that made sense?
The reason why alcohol is frowned upon in Islam, is because it alters your perception.
The reason why cigarettes are frowned upon in Islam, is because it's an addiction. Islam in a sense teaches; Mind over matter.
I do understand your post, I have no problem with someone who doesn't follow all the rules (we're humans), I respect those who better themselves and become better people overall, who have hope and see a better tomorrow every day.
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