Lolx, thanks? xD

I personally, think that gay marriages should not be outlawed. You can't help who you love. Why should the government be able to tell anyone who they are allowed or not allowed to date. They already control out lives to an extent, why should they be allowed to control it even more? They shouldn't. I also believe this with inter-racial dating, incest, and age gapped relationships. While some of us may not agree with it, who's to say it affects us? Who's to say we have the right to control them?

i support it 100%!!!! ppl should be able to choose their partners!! of any race or gender!

thats why you should have gone back and seenif there was a topic on this already,

I didn't noticed and didn't mind, until now.

Why must people who are against gay marriages be 'ignorant' or 'closed-minded'?!? Just like you can't FORCE a person to accept religion, you can't force someone to accept gay marriages. To many, it is a relatively moral decision to be against it.

There's nothing ignorant about not agreeing with an idea! Do you people even know what ignorant means? Lets see you try to accept something you don't like! At least I'm not protesting, yelling/screaming against them or anything. I'm just expressing my opinion that it is not seemly for someone like me.... Pffft, and that makes me ignorant.

Anyway, I had to get that out of my system. Anyone care to debate why not accepting gay marriages would make me ignorant?
Bring it on!

separation of church and state...I don't think the government should decide, it should be the church's decision. I think we should allow civil unions. people deserve equal rights.

What does the Church has to do with anything?

I'm NON Christian and I'm still somberly agaisnt it.

marriage is defined by the church. it is a religious thing constructed by the church.

a civil union has all the same benefits but witout the religious connotation.

taht is why the govornment should not outlaw gay marriage. it is for each church to decide.

and i guess it just depends on what we think is normal. what is normal in one culture may be completely taboo in another and vice-versa.




Unions between adults and children will never and should never be justified because their is an imbalance of power between the partners. Also, teacher students relationships are not good because there is a severe imbalance of power. According to law in most states children under 18 are not able to legally consent.

A union or relationship between 2 adults of the opposite sex that is consenual is completely different than the examples you gave..

Okay, they may be an 'imbalance of power' but they still want to love. What's the problem with loving your teacher as opposed to a man and man loving? I think that's an imbalance of morals.

The Church only decides on marriages to those who come to the Church for marriage. OTHER CULTURES marry in different ways. Do you think that everyone must go to a Church to be man and wife?

I guess they didn't close it, huh?

well I support it PRO-CHOICE KICKS BUTT

i dont really care if gay ppl get married...it doesnt affect me...as long as some gay dude doesnt come up to me and do something weird then i'm fine with it...

gay marriages wow....i just want them to realize its wrong...no one was born gay....i`m not just against gay marriages i`m against homosexuals..call me closedminded or whatever you want...but that`s wats great about this counrty people can freely be gay and i can be freely against it...

wow. you make no sense whatsoever. at the very least, support your opinion with actual reasoning. i will call you closedminded. because you are. how is being gay wrong? And how are you against homosexuals? You say it as if they are aliens or something. Have you ever even talked to a person that is gay? Maybe if you get out of your sheltered life, then you'll realize that gay people are just like straight people.

yes i do know many gay people but they are not my friends being gay is wrong because the bible says it is period. yes i`m christian no i`m not forcing my religion on you. but i am against homosexuals. how are gay people just like straight people? obviously they aren't....yes people are people but if you`re gay you arent "just like" a straight person....

^you're against it because the bible says it's wrong? Or are you just against it because of what you personally feel about homosexuals?
I am absolutely for gay marriage.
The government has no right to say who you can love. It's not hurting anyone!! You can look down upon it, but it should definitely be allowed.

*sighs* Call me whatever you'd like, but I don't support it. It's just unnatural.

nice....i'm against it because it's wrong according to the bible....

can you please explain how it's unnatural?

hormones aren't natural things?
ok, then can you please reteach the whole world to me through your view, then?

I support. The only way I can explain it is that it's only fair. If you're in love, you should have the same rights as everyone else. I think it's beautiful to see two people love eachother (not like that, just see them together.. you can just tell), whether they be man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman.

I don't even know why I feel compelled to explain myself to you. I wasn't a mod then and couldn't have closed it and not that many mods frequent this forum then, but I will find the original topic and merge it if you want, your Highness.

I don't support stuff that you can go to hell for when you die.

This is the debate forum, so debate. Better yet, read the RULES before posting or else your warning levels will be raised.

In fact, this is your warning before I raise your warning level.

why not, mr. alvin? why do you care if people you don't know go to hell?

that's right, fae, crack down on em.

good come back.. you know you are gunna gain a lot of attention with that kind of statement. this is the debate section please dont just throw random thoughts out there without even debating what you think you are just a waste of space if you do that.



we as humans arent perfect there fore are made to make mistakes. the bible says a lot of things and although the bible says that homosexuality is wrong it also says to accept people.......



yes people do tend to throw around the word ignorant but being close minded yes... because gay people are also people they have mouths two ears and two eyes just like any other person, but you should also consider they love too they just happen to love another person like you do but in the same sex. but in any other words its the same meaning ... "love" .. you can be close minded. i know you know this already (because you have made thousands of posts) but you gotta look into the other person's eyes you cant just go and deffend one person without looking at the other side.

And you're telling me something I already know and addressed because.......... why?

I hope that "you" in the bolded sentence is generalized, meant for BOTH sides, or else I will have to give you a sound beating.

i support it. i think that marriage is about love. not about gender or sexuality.

why are you against it, fae? i would have expected the opposite suppose i shouldn't assume.

I don't mind just as long as I don't meet up with anyone like that because I'd flip out..But everybody have their own interests, and these people should be able to go for what they want than forced to do the opposite..Everyone have the right to be free

it's quite likely you'll meet quite a few gay people..welcome to the earth.

so if i made a really famous book one day saying your an idiot, is everyoen going to believe it?

yes it is generalized. thats why i stated you may already know this.



ahah thats funny.

No, love, I'm neither for nor against.

Orginally, I was completely against when I was first exposed to the idea. Then, I talked to others about it. My Mom told me to just imagined myself in love with someone and having society shun us for being in love. I would be hurt and ashamed for loving someone.

I never thought myself a wholly good person, but I've never thought of myself as someone who can hurt others with my judgement nor as someone who would see love as unacceptable, forbidden.

I recognize love for what it is to myself and to others, therefore, I am not against the idea of homosexuality but I still need time to adjust to this concept as it IS different from our tradition. No matter what anyone says, marriage between man and man, woman and woman is different from what society deems as normal; but that DOES NOT mean that society cannot get used to it. This takes time.

However, as someone who was once against the idea all together, I know that not all who are against homosexuals mean to harm them. Those people are simply just not used to it and not yet ready to embrace change. Mostly likely, they do not understand the amount of pain they bring to those different from them. This DOES NOT make them completely ignorant, closed minded, or bad, it simply makes them slow to change.

The ones who truly deserve the brunt of attacks are those who mean to hurt, those who want to others to see love as a vile thing.

The great distinction from those who want to hurt others and those who do not know that their judgement hurts is that one group can be convinced to change while the other needs to seek peace with the world.

I'm not against, but it will take time for me to accept.

quite true, but i usually just deem people as ignorant when their reasoning for thinking so is completely absurd. to me, at least. (not you, people that say "it's gross" or something..that's not a reason. )

besides, no one will get used to it if we don't let it happen. banning it will only make those not used to it never have a chance to.

for those whose reasoning i for religious reasons, why? if they sin, how does that affect you? if they get married, what does that do to you? sure, if you get invited to a gay marraige, don't go then but..why is it such a big deal if they get married? i understand why you're against homosexuality, but not against their marraiges.

Most of those whose reasoning is that it's "gross" are indeed ignorant (or immature rather), but I have faith (in humanity) that their opinions can change if only they realize the pain that such words bring to another person. How that can be accomplished, I do not know.



Again, I have faith (in humanity) that the banning will not hold for long. If it does, the most likely source is the religiously zealous mass that strives for continuance of this persecution under the pretense of doing work for a Higher Power.

But even if that is the case, most of these people aren't completely wrong for believing as they do. It is the fault of those who put the idea that love can be so wrong into the minds of others, and so they are the ones who should be called the most foul of names.



I think it has been explained that they are not against homosexuals, but they are against the act of homosexuality.

well thats just sheer hypocrisy... i mean you cant just say to someone, it sok to be in love with someone, but not to share yourself intimately with them...

ok, i know what you mean but still you dont have to be intimate when you are in love. you see thats whats wrong with society today sex on tv is shown to be ok. "ohh your 17 its alright go and have sex dont worrie about condoms or anything like that just go do it." Not like that exact sentence has been said on tv but tahts what they are implying.

its truly alright for a person to be in a relationship and not have sex.

I oppose gay marriage.
I'm glad John Kerry didn't win.
But I hate George Bush too. But I'm glad that he was against
gay marriages. So that's the only thing I liked from him.
I mean God created us girl and a guy first, so they can mate.
Then just stick with the generations. How can a guy and a guy
mate? Eesh. Well yeah marriage is about love, but ehh...
so a 5 year old girl loves a 40 year old guy... she can marry him?
I mean she loves him so much that she can't live without him.
Would you let her marry him? It's like your guys are saying
It's our freedom to do whatever we want. We can marry
old guys that are like 40 years older from you? eck.. whoever
wants to marry a 40 year old guy when you're only 17...eww.
Don't you guys want the population to grow in this earth?
Then we need a guy and a girl to mate, so the girl can have
a baby. How can a girl and a girl mate and make themselves
pregnant?........................ don't think that's possible lol.
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cool!
I live in New York.
People should be able to love whom ever they want, as long as they aren't seriously hurting someone.

I'm not to clear on how the age difference relates to same-sex marriages...
Not everyone is gay, you know, and in fact the world is overpopulated as is.
Plus there is the option of surrogate mothers/or sperm donors that serious homosexual couples use.
I also believe in God, and that if he can inspire love in you, what is wrong with having love for someone of the other sex, as long as you aren't hurting the individual?
And actually, as stated in the Constitiution, we can do as we please so long as we do not violate the law.

then does that invalidate a hetorsexualy marriage where the woman/man is infertile, or where they choose not to have children

if people exist entirely to procreate, then what about those who choose not to is what im trying to say



yes it sfine... but sex is a very real part of a persons realtionship.. i take it youve never been truly in love?

and what on earth does a 17 yearold going out and having wild sex with strangers have to do with two people in love... it doesnt relate

Actually, there is quite a number of homosexual Christians who are against sodomy. I think I posted a link to a Gay Christian network a while back and in the FAQ, it distinctly explains that some Gay Christians think that sodomy is wrong and believe in abstinence.

im sure they do... i just think its hypocritical *shrugs*

ah is that what sodomy means? i was never sure. u learn something new everyday and what not

I completly Support on Gay marriage, I'm not christian however i do see thier side of it, i think they should make a certain "program" (couldn't think of a good word) where they have all the benefits of marriage, but it wouldn't be called that. I think thats what i meant......

People should be allowed to love whomever they want. Gay marriage is no different. If two people of the same sex love each other, then why shouldn't they get married? Marriage is supposed to be about love. Now it's all about politics.

..civil unions?

i support it. let people do whatever they want with their lives. i mean people are always saying *live your life to the fullest* and if that means being with someone of the same gender then they should be able to do just that. i also dont get why people are considered gross if they marry within their family.

yeah i'm not sure i posted in this or not..but i don't think i have so here goes

i don't think it's right...but i don't think we should be all i hate you cuz you're gay and getting married about it...cuz just..relating back to the bible here..it's a sin..but doesn't it also say love your neighbor as yourself...something like that???

why do people have to oppose it .. do you people even know what does " marriage " about ...... ? it's not about who they are .. it's about their " love " .. i think ..

meh, i really don't feel like reading the whole thread... but i'm going to tap into the morality of all this... in my opinion, homosexuals should not be given access to the institution of marriage. marriage is not simply a "right" or even a declaration of love. it has been defined as the social, economic, legal, and spiritual union of a man and a woman for thousands of years in virtually every culture of the world. if homosexuals were given access to this institution simply because they "love" each other, would there be a need to restrict marriage between cousins or even set a minimum age for marriage? by not allowing gay marriage, we aren't depriving them of their "rights;" we're simply upholding the definition of the sacred institution that has been in existence for years and years. we cannot allow a radical movement to simply impose this whole new definition of marriage on our society. previous radical movements, such as anti-slavery and women's suffrage, have succeeded because they are in accord with natural morality and law; however, gay marriage is not in accord with this natural law. i'm not anti-homosexual; i'm actually very tolerant of them; i don't mind homosexual relationships at all. i just don't believe that our society should change the original definition of "marriage."