ok... first lets get all the cliche`s out the way....

- too much violence
- disrespects women
-cusses too much
- videos have too much ass-shaking

but this doesnt apply to all rap so im just wondering - what do ppl really have against rap music?

Well most people are against rapping because of vulgarity but there are lot of other genres with "deep" meanings.

I am against rap because I don't find it....entertaining. I loathe it and I don't think of it as much, more like...people talking with a melody/rythm in the background.

so then you are against mainstream rap? rap as a whole covers many forms... gangsta, underground, poetic, pop, south, chopped and screwed, lyrical... i just think lots of ppl talk shit regardin rap cuz they only talk about the shit thats on the radio which is pretty stupid cuz i dont even like that shit

^I've heard underground too and I don't like it. Just not my taste...

i like music with girls who are hot in videos

^Really? Avenged Sevenfold isn't a rap band and they have girls stripping in their videos. I don't know why you don't like them, after that statement.

when have i said i didnt like avenged sevenfold

Oh so you like Avenged Sevenfold eh? From your post it sounded like you stereotyped rap artists to have strippers in every video. I just wanted to make sure you knew about those other rock bands who have strippers....per say can you name others?

why would i stereotype rap artists when that is so false its ridiculous to even think that you would believe i had that idea

The reason people don't like rap is because people don't understand the culture that it's derived from. The fact is, mainstream rap is what most people hear, though it's a false representation of what hip-hop is really all about. If millions of people are watching a 50 Cent video with a ton of girls shaking their asses and degrading themselves while 50 talks about shooting a place up, that's not exactly going to make people say, "Hey, maybe there's better rap out there!"

The reason it's being represented poorly is because most people making these rap records don't understand the culture themselves. (Read: Old white guys rule the world.) 50 Cent's a former drug dealer. Never was he an aspiring MC. (Though it's just one example, most mainstream artists did aspire to be MCs before they made it big.)

Well, you definately disrespect woman. You use profanity too much. You seem interested in "ass shaking." Are you rap?

i like rap.

but, not the "newer" stuff. it's too...too....i dunno. i just can't get used to the newer artists. they annoy me.

or the real "old skool" stuff. i respect it. but, it's ... too cheesy? for me.

i like tupac, bone thugs, outkast (ATLiens era), fugees, puff daddy & bad boy artists (when he was still puff daddy -- he and mase made me happy), etc.

and i can also stand to listen to some of the GOOD underground rap that's being put out today.

so. i don't have anything against rap besides being annoyed by specific artists. yeah, it's vulgar. yeah, it degrades women. but, there is talent there. if you sort through all the bullshit, there's some really talented writers and whatnot. and besides, it's fun to listen to. aha. :]

I'm just going to put my 2 Cents. Every type of music has their ups and downs. So you can't just stereotype one genre. When rock was first introduced, there was much controversy with rock music just as well as rap music. Pop music had it's era as controversy as well. (Britney Spears)

personal preference.

yea, my friend once told you "you just hate black people music, don't you"

because i don't like hip hop or R and B or anything like that.

why? i think it sucks. i'm allowed to, right.

The only thing wrong with rap is that it's a genre of music. People could say that's what's wrong with alternative rock, punk rock, country music, etc, etc. They're genres -- not everyone is going to like every genre.

well said.
personally, i don't like [most but not all] rap because a lot of it sounds like other rap songs.
there are some catchy rap songs though, and i do admit to listening to it while around my friends (because some of them really like it). it's not like i actively hunt down rap though...just a personal preference i suppose.

As if most of the songs in pop, rock, and country sound completely different from one another.

well, rock has sub-genres. ska, punk-rock, heavy metal, emo, etc.

does rap have these? gangsta, oldschool?

Of course. There's tons of different subgenres of hip-hop.

but i thought we were talking about rap

rap and hip hop are interchangeable depending on who is talking

I thought rap was a subgenre of hip-hop... Hip-hop covers reggae and R&B and stuff like that, right? Well, I don't think this is a very good debate because rap is just a genre of music. People have preferences about music and a lot of people just don't like rap and don't find it entertaining.

In my opinion, hip-hop is the culture and rapping is an element of it, but as sillakilla said, the two are used interchangably to refer to the music.

No one thinks there's something "wrong" with all rap; people just don't like it. It's simple.

Yeah, its very much the same for me.
All of my life before I went to middle school, I listened to country. It was country, country, and more country. Whenever my friends would be singing a rap/hip hop song, I would be really embarassed because I only knew like two or three words. Then I decided that I should look up the lyrics and just listen to the songs over and over again, and now I absolutely love rap and hip hop.

Actually, I think I like hip hop better. I LOVE LOVE LOVVVE rap, the only problem is that I wanna sing it, but I can't!! Haha, just the words are comin` and goin` too fast!! Mainly I like the type of rap that isn't really gangsterish, except for some songs like Soul Survivor. My favorite rap songs:

Grillz
Run It
Hotel
I'm in Luv with a Stripper


And those are just a couple. But mainly, I think hip-hop is a lot better, no gangstas in that genre

Akon and Young Jeezy aren't as 'gangsterish' as you might think.

^^Oops, I think I meant:

I mainly like the type of rap that isn't gangsterish, like Soul Survivor.

Haha, I don't even know what I was thinking!!

i just dont rap b/c it stupid and disrespects women and all the other cliche...the only rap artist i really like/respect is eminem...b/c he has deeper meanings in his lyrics other than the above...i havent heard any non mainstream rappers tho..except for jurassic 5..

Nothing is wrong with rap in my opinion. Why, I actually listen to some (though I'm not a big fan). I guess society just has a negative view on it due to the fact that all these famous artists are singing about drugs, drive-bys and sex. I guess it's their own fault that rap is looked down upon so much. It's hard to find a popular rap song with love and peace nowadays.

OMG!!! are u serious? you don't like rap b/c it disrespects women yet you like eminem - an aritst who has repeatedly rapped about killing his wife, and various other women in general, and even has 2 songs dedicated to the murder of his wife too! You will not be regarded seriously for the rest of the debate now as you have just proven yourself far too incompetent. please be educated on the topic before being ignorant

I don't believe there is anything wrong with rap. I just don't prefer to listen to the rap music that deals with sex, drugs, and violence, and singing about other...unmeaningful things. I do enjoy rap that has a little...flair, with something that really hits me deep. Such as...When the Music Stops. I think that's by Eminem and some other rappers? Great song. Rap isn't just about sex, drugs, and violence, it can have deeper meanings. I think it's very close-minded to say you hate all rap, considering there are so many different kinds of rap.

And good point, sillakilla220, but I think what ecargnmyst was trying to say was that Eminem has some songs that have deeper meanings. Then again, a lot of rappers have songs about drugs, sex, and violence, and then also have songs with deeper meanings. Meh.

It's just a shame that people go off and say they hate a huge genre of music, when they should listen to all subcategories of it before they label it as "stupid". Seriously, do your research. Don't hate.

this is the precise point i wanted to make with this thread. if you don't like a few songs or artists of a genre as diversified as rap thats cool but to make generalized hate comments is just stupid

^

So who are you mad at? The people that make generalized comments or the people that justify the fact that they don't like rap/hip-hop because it doesn't suit their tastes?

im not mad at anyone damn kid u are like my f**kin shadow huntin me down in each thread to post some senseless garbage

Hmm, I just got a new insight into this. New perspective. Lets say, I looked through the window from the outside.

Maybe, when rappers have songs about sex/drugs/violence etc etc, maybe they're trying to get the listener to think the purpose of the song is to enourage them to not do those kinda things.

I don't know. Just a thought.

^ If that is so, it's not really working too well, don't forget they also want to sell, and what sells? Sex.

Took the words right out of my mouth (out of my fingers?). I don't know anyone who *hates* rap for the reasons listed in the first post. I'm sure there are people who do, but mostly it's a taste thing. (Not that rap is indicative of bad taste, just that people have different tastes in music)

^^I aggree with you totally. Its like metal rock - I absolutely hate it, but others love it. It just depends on your taste in music. Just because some people hate it doesn't mean that its the ABSOLUTELY WORST GENRE IN MUSIC LIKE EVER!!! `Cuz there aint one!


Or like cheesecake. Some people like it, others don't. It just depends on your tastebuds. But in this debate, its just your..uh..ears taste?

Well, you're the one of the only members on createBlog that constantly manages to post boorishly enough to warrant my attention.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

nah regardless of how much ppl might hate it im still gon bump it i was jus curious to see wat everyone's beef is on the genre... to say u hate the shit u see on music videos is understandable but i would hope noone bases their decision on such a limited source of what the genre has to offer. i wanted to air it out and see what kind of responses i got






to warrant your attention? thank you for deeming me worthy to be noticed almighty createblogger, u are a funny kid but u dont wanna take it there

^ But it's true ... you are extremely obnoxious and I'm really surprised that a mod hasn't warned you yet.

And don't get mad at other peoples' opinions. Some people like rap, some people don't. And you can't convince them otherwise. Which is why I think this is a pointless debate...

You gradually make less and less sense.

i'm not trying to debate that everyone should love rap music that was never the intention, i guess if u actually read the original question i just asked what ppl had against it. and i said earlier i'm not mad at anyone, why would i get mad that someone doesnt like the same music as me?

BUT wat i do wanna say is for all the criticism rap gets gotta love how the media has embraced it. hip hop flavor is everywhere nowadays u can't go anywhere w/o seeing its influence... if u think this is so u are living in an isolated environment cuz its in anythin from tv to radio to advertising to movies

Justin is the (other) White Ninja and has perfected the art of shadowing people and posting sense... don't you know?

(for those who didn't get it, no, I didn't forget "less" in "senseless")

Justin's the White Ninja and I'm the Legend Killer.

Says you Eddie! I'm the Legend Killer's Killer! Hah!

If iwere to choose between which genre of music, i'm pretty sure that rap wouldnt be my choice. Not cause of the langauge and images in their video's. But it just doesn't suit me. I mean the beats and everything are nice and what not, but it's just not me. I think others are disliking rap and its genre because of what they "think" its like. If the majority of shows on tv show rap as 50 cent & etc. of course many are gonna have a like a negative tought on rap. But rap as a whole is not just 50 cent kinda music. The people who dislike rap and haven't heard the other types, need to actually hear songs from Tupac, Kanye West and such. They're rap artist's also but their songs have different meanings to them. Not just about drugs, girls and stuff like that. 50 cent type of rap is not me. But if i wanted to, i could last with kanye west type of songs.

Meh, we had this discussion in my class one day, and also at a county meeting with adults.

At the meeting, adults hated it because they said it was all about sex, money, and drugs. This fact is true. If you turn on the radio to a rap station, you probably will hear something about hustlin, f**king some hoe, and other stuff like that. But the thing people always seem to f**k up is what rap is. Rap was to inform the world about what their hood is like. So if in the hood, they say nigga, then they're gonna say nigga in their song. It only makes sense. Yeah, I'm black, but I hate new school rap, cos it's some shit. No one is original anymore, and it's all about the beef with someone else. Hip Hop is rap, rap is not a genre. Hip hop is a life style, not some dumb fad that allows any one to wear Jordans and a Northface and think they're really ghetto. People have taken hip hop and defaced it to what most people hate now.

Go google some old school rap. Real rap. Not that Young Jeezy shit, or whatever people listen to.

I like some rap, though a lot of it is really tasteless. Especially the song "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" which won an academy... goodness, who were the judges this year?

I think some people don't like it because they don't understand it. Some words are too fast to understand and I think that it just frustrates some of the people who listen to it.
I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.