If i'm drafted i'm going to prison. f*ck the war, i'm not going to kill anybody for oil.

"war is old men talking and young men dying."

Whats the prison sentence for refusing a draft?

2-3 years, normally.

Hm.. maybe I'd go and study abroad.. like at Oxford, or Cambridge, hehe

vote you bastards!


unfortunately we can't escape to canada anymore. i'll try asia, hopefully i'll get away.

that kind of language wont get ppl to vote... alright i just voted, now can you vote on my post in "humor" lol (spam i know, sorrie)

hm.. why not canada anymore?

according to my friend whose father is a lawyer say sthat they made a deal that they could draft americans in canada. they obviously learned after vietnam.

blech

i'm not caught up on politics at all.. how realistic is this draft? can you fill me in on the details?

umm, are you talking about a draft for the Iraq war or draft in general? and we're not killing people for oil.

if i was drafted, i would go.

IF i was drafted i would go...but after Nam..the draft was outlawed unless it is in the case of another major world war.... but either way....if i was i would fight...not only because i will defend my country...but also because my grandfather was in WW2 and the Korean war....i will also fight if need be... and then there is the fun part of being given guns and explosives and told to go have fun...that is the great part.....

No way am I going to war.

if my boyfriend got drafted i'd cry and i would rather have him in prison where his safety is guarunteed than at a war, where he'd be murdering people and risking his life.



evanio dying would be a sad, sad story and that won't happen!


or i'll commit suicide

I'm against war and all that, but if you live in a country....and get drafted..take a wild guess what the right thing to do would be.

Getting drafted doesn't mean you have to kill, I'd prolly become a medic or something.

People died for your "freedom" and such, time to repay the debt.

i would go to war

Since the 80s they have not sent a person to prison. Don't worry about it.

I would definitely fight for my country...I've lived all these years already in a great country, and I've never been able to pay them back - why not do that with this?

Also, it is quite unrealistic, as everyone has said previously.

You sure would NOT see me fighting. I would be in Nigeria if they were drafting me but that would only happen if ALL the men were gone and then the older women before me and then i was born in July so i'd have a long time to wait to be drafted

I find it interestin that although many people are very patriotic and say that they would do nething for they country but when it comes time to prove that you will many would rather run from it.....

"Speak Softly..Carry a big stick" ~ Teddy Roosevelt

Prove what u say or dont say it...and defend what u say cuz if you arent goin to y should our army defend it for you....

"I may not agree with what you have to say.....but i will die defending your right to say it"

heres the article. and if i really had to join the military i'd be a medic. it sa gruesome job, but it has to be done.

i dunno who said this quote but its good.
"People always talk about fighting for their country but never dying for it."

nooo kathleen !! i dont want u to get killed in the war !! well thats good that u got the pride to ur side. n_n hmm... im afraid to go to a war...oh btw they kill ppls to get oil? hahaha nuh uh

neither, ill go 2 canada

Okay, let's see:

Most Democrats oppose the draft because they see it as war-mongering.
Most Republicans oppose the draft because they see it as leftist social-engineering and big government meddling.

That doesn't leave a whole lot of a base for political support.

There's only two "mainstream" groups of draft supporters:
Communists, who think that if we draft everyone there will somehow be less war, because the rich will have to fight too.
Radical Neo-Cons, who think that people are property of the state.

If I were dictator, I would expel both of the aforementioned group to Canada.

If the draft does pass in Congress, it will be murdered in the Supreme Court on 5th and 13th Amendment Basises. The Draft hasn't been upheld in a court of law since 1917. In 80 years, alot of our attitudes towards things like the draft have changed.

EDIT: So to answer the question:

If I were drafted, I would get a bunch of my ridiculously rich friends and their well-connected families together, hire a team of fat-ass Harvard lawyers, take the case to the Supreme Court, argue that it is Involuntary Servitude (which, by the way, it is), create a huge lobby among young Americans, get Congressman Ron Paul (TX-R) to do a massive filibuster in Congress, have massive public demonstrations partially funded by the US Libertarian Party and their strongly anti-war Aaron Russo, win the case on a 6-3 vote (All judges voting in favor of abolishing except Sandra Day O'Connor, Clarence Thomas, and Anthony Scalia), and then get teh draft abolished forever.

It would be the most patriotic thing to do. We would be ridding America of the last vestige of the Specter of Slavery, and creating a more free society on line with what our Founders were thinking of.

It is NOT patriotic to go to a war and by doing so submit to a slave system. If you are a real patriot, you would want to uphold the law of the land, and that is the Constitution. IT says clearly: "NO INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE". And also: "NO MAN SHALL BE DEPRIVED OF LIFE LIBERTY OR PROPERTY WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW." When you're a soldier, you take an oath to defend the Constitution. We patriotic civlians should do the same. Fight the Draft!

Thank you Minda

I read an article in the Congress Digest on the Draft... it was their focus this time.

Four Congressmen and other people wrote on both sides... It was really sad seeing the draft supported by democrats, and opposed by Republicans (most famously Ron Paul, probably the biggest Reaganite in Congress).

That's one more reason the Democratic Party's message has moved away from liberty, and towards communism.

Dang.. that makes the election a lot more difficult... on one hand, you have Bush.. and on the other hand, you have the slightly communistic democrats..

I support Kerry in 2004, JUST BECAUSE The Republicans will control Congress. That way, we are preventing one-party rule. The Republican Congress and the Democratic White House will hog-tie each other and we will be able to preserve our civil liberties through this mess we've gotten ourselves in to.

Though I disagree with their affirmative action decisions, the Supreme Court has otherwise proven to be fairly legitimate. I have the fullest faith that the draft, if passed in Congress (which is very unliekly to begin with), will be shot down by public opposition and the Supreme Court.

Amendment XIII: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist in the United States, or any territory subject to their jursidiction, except as a punishment for a crimer whereof the guilty party shall have been duly convicted."

The draft is servitude. YOu have to follow all of your orders. For a period of time, you are a servant of the government.

The draft is involuntary. If it were voluntary, it wouldn't be a draft.

Don't know what bizarre definition you're using, but in my book involuntary + servitude = involuntary servitude. And it wasn't a crime to be an 18-year-old male last time I checked either.

Wow.. you're like a political encyclopedia well thank you for clearing that up

Danke.

What is it with you and german?

German's funny Mark Twain convinced me

i would go to the draft. i wouldnt like it though. also, communism ain't so bad, just look at cuba. errr... nevermind.

i'm not dying for the government. this war is bull. i'll move to ireland.

down with bush!

do girls get drafted too?
if so i would go to war.
if not, well thats sexist but i guess its better for us.

yes, the girls can get drafted too.

no

yes.

"War is Old Men Lyin and Young Men Dyin"

In draft news, recently has been the first time a REPUBLICAN Congressman has supported the draft. You can read the article on teh Aaron Russo campaign website: http://www.russoforpresident.com/

Bush and Kerry BOTH favor the draft, though support for the draft in Congress is more limited. And if it comes to it, I bet it will be struck down in the Supreme Court

Worst-case scenario will be public protest leading to a serious third-party/conservative movement in 2006's Congress elections, that will temporarily threaten both major parties and force the end of hte draft. The draft was never popular in America. I doubt it will be in this day and age.

That's too bad I'm not eighteen yet.

Draft, would straighten things up while knowing that you can die during the process. I'm sure it would do some good on the values of life...

Explain how spending two years of your life as a government slave and possibly getting killed would "do some good on the values of life" again?

Values of life or no life, it's illegal.

NEITHER SLAVERY NOR INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE SHALL EXIST WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY PLACE SUBJECT TO THEIR JURISDICTION, EXCEPT AS A PUNISHMENT FOR A CRIME WHEREOF THE GUILTY PARTY SHALL HAVE BEEN DULY CONVICTED.
-- The United States Constitution, Amendment Thirteen. It's not THAT hard to read.

Conscript is unquestionably bad for the war effort, because of morale and logistic problems. Even the Department of Defense agrees.

Almost every effort at conscription by a government since 1975 had led to the said government being overthrown. The only two exceptions are Israel and Greece. Greece was saved from being overthrown only by massive American intervention (attempted Communist uprising damn nearly succeeded in the late 70s) and Israel is in a state of permanent warfare.

Some famous examples of conscription:

France: Invoking a feudal law, the King of France tries to draft citizens of Calais in the 1300s. The citizens appeal to the King of England, who invades France. War ravages France for the next 114 years.

United States: Conscription declares in 1863 to fight the civil war. Hundreds die in the riots that ensue. Lincoln is forced to cut conscription quotas by 50%.

Russia: Conscritpion begins in 1914. Three years later, conscripts organize several simultaenous uprisings. The conscript-manned Russian navy defects, the government is overthrown, and the Czar Nicholas II is executed by his own people.

China: Mao declares conscription "in case of emergency" (possible American invasion of China after winning Vietnam): 1969. Government overthrown in a bloody two-year coup: 1977-78.

Eh you're quite resistant, aren't you, Minda?

But see.. the diff betwen him and the theologians is that his stuff actually has real basis and is credible, and instead of being stubbornly annoying with resistence, he freaks you out and overloads you with into

Shock and awe, haha.

Speaking of which:

CHINA: Manchu government (never popular to begin with) declares conscription in the late 1840s to fight off foreign countries. The rich manipulate the system into getting the more comfortable jobs in the military. Infuriated, landless peasants rise up in the bloody Taiping (ironically, Taiping means 'serenity') Rebellion. TEN MILLION -- that's a one with seven zeroes behind it -- people die in the bloodiest civil war in history. The war finally ends when foreign countries send troops into China to restore the government. The government becomes a puppet to foreign countries, and is finally overthrown in 1906.

i would go fight for this country even though some of the things we did were wrong but yeah i would go to war

I would bury you.

what do u mean by that...?? and were u talking to me??

Haha, it's a reference to:

"We will bury you."
--Nikita Khrushchev

My favorite communist quote ever.

I'd go into draft, to protect the ones I love in my country...but I wouldnt kill. I'll be like a nurse or anything except a soldier. I wouldnt be able to live with the thought that i killed someone. =\

If you get drafted, you don't have teh choice of what job you get. All the volunteers are allowed to fill up the jobs they want first.